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I actually OVERHEARD my gf in college cheating on me, taking Qs

She wasn't a very serious girlfriend but she lived in a hous...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
describe her genitalia
Contagious rehab
  04/23/14
Mostly shaven but not completely. We were 20 so she was not ...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
Did you ever eat her ass?
chestnut pontificating idiot
  04/23/14
Yes, actually. I didn't even know i could do it but one nigh...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
Did you ever fuck her ass?
chestnut pontificating idiot
  04/23/14
I also fucked her in the ass, yes
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
Just making sure. Because if you didn't so both those things...
chestnut pontificating idiot
  04/23/14
She cheated on me because she was pretty much an alcoholic a...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
Sounds like you got pwnt I'm sorry bro
chestnut pontificating idiot
  04/23/14
idk man 2 weeks later I was back at it
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
eating her ass?
turquoise gas station
  04/23/14
? what's wrong with rim jobs? better than eating disgusting ...
Ebony Trip Legal Warrant Athletic Conference
  04/23/14
I was back hooking up with girls, it's college, women are th...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
That sounds INTELLECTUAL AS FUCK
comical ruddy people who are hurt stain
  04/23/14
yes it was
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
Can you describe the sound that haunted you
chestnut pontificating idiot
  04/23/14
query JOHNSMEYER
comical ruddy people who are hurt stain
  04/23/14
You ever watch a porno and think, no way, she's faking it? I...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
Go on...
chestnut pontificating idiot
  04/23/14
That's all I got man. I listened for about 4 minutes because...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
How did you dump her
Laughsome Coral Nursing Home Death Wish
  04/23/14
you dont really dump, I just sorta texted her I didnt want t...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
so her roommates heard this basically all the time?
supple jewess preventive strike
  04/23/14
We fucked at my place almost every time
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
the moans of my future wife
Hideous Pozpig Forum
  04/23/14
...
bipolar university personal credit line
  04/24/14
so did you just leave after you heard her or what. sorry ...
massive hospital
  04/23/14
So I listened for a few minutes and once I heard her distinc...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
Buckwild? Like more than with you or what?
heady son of senegal sanctuary
  04/23/14
She had been that loud with me when drunk before but not as ...
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
Was the guy black?
chestnut pontificating idiot
  04/23/14
No white but he was pretty bulky
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
how was YLS
Beady-eyed Lime Garrison
  04/23/14
this
supple jewess preventive strike
  04/23/14
...
peach gaped home selfie
  04/23/14
...
mind-boggling shitlib
  04/23/14
...
Ebony Trip Legal Warrant Athletic Conference
  04/23/14
lol
shivering immigrant step-uncle's house
  04/24/14
...
bipolar university personal credit line
  04/24/14
buckwild? moar liek cuckwild
peach gaped home selfie
  04/23/14
when a drunk 20 y/o rides a dick it's like she's a gorilla
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
the most painful thing i've ever witnessed: even though I ...
supple jewess preventive strike
  04/23/14
...
Red excitant center
  04/23/14
?
supple jewess preventive strike
  04/23/14
why were u such a beta?
Red excitant center
  04/23/14
I admit that I was a beta.
supple jewess preventive strike
  04/23/14
but you weren't actually in a relationship, right?
Red excitant center
  04/23/14
I took her out and hung out with her a lot, but no. It's...
supple jewess preventive strike
  04/23/14
Just PN pumo adding your personal story to his excel sheet
Vibrant Frozen Old Irish Cottage
  04/23/14
i'm PN? where? link???
Red excitant center
  04/23/14
reminder: libs want all straight cis men to experience this ...
Grizzly Sandwich
  04/23/14
it fucking sucked. But was it intellectual? Surely.
supple jewess preventive strike
  04/23/14
Friendzoned xo betas have a lot of pain, but it is not a pai...
splenetic cumskin area
  04/24/14
i doubt any of us would've wanted you as a friend or gf
drab useless liquid oxygen national security agency
  04/24/14
so what happened after you called? how does it end
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
we graduated. she went off to law school in another city. Lo...
supple jewess preventive strike
  04/23/14
you dodged a bullet, then
Chrome national sound barrier
  04/23/14
We'll at least she got lifepwned most likely
Razzle business firm
  04/24/14
:(
rebellious plaza
  04/23/14
why do you think she was humoring you? were there any indica...
Electric hot senate
  04/23/14
at the time I thought so. But back then I was super naive. ...
supple jewess preventive strike
  04/23/14
that's miserable and why you should never do the ""...
drab useless liquid oxygen national security agency
  04/24/14
do any men do the platonic friends thing with girls they don...
Provocative mad cow disease multi-billionaire
  04/24/14
xo flame aside, women can be good people. some are very kin...
drab useless liquid oxygen national security agency
  04/24/14
disregard, misread.
Black alpha
  04/24/14
this fucking sucks.
Provocative mad cow disease multi-billionaire
  04/24/14
:(
Razzle business firm
  04/24/14
Ouch. Sorry but we all learn this the hard way.
Transparent metal tank meetinghouse
  04/24/14


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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:52 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

She wasn't a very serious girlfriend but she lived in a house with 5 girls and I went to surprise her one night after I was out at the bars. She didn't pick up her phone and I figured the battery was dead. She probably assumed I wouldn't drop by. Back door was almost always unlocked.

Anyway, the dude was fucking her and she was going buckwild. The noise haunted me for a while. Now it's kind of erotic because I realize how not serious she was in my life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433093)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:52 PM
Author: Contagious rehab

describe her genitalia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433097)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:53 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

Mostly shaven but not completely. We were 20 so she was not blown out or anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433103)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:53 PM
Author: chestnut pontificating idiot

Did you ever eat her ass?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433102)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:53 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

Yes, actually. I didn't even know i could do it but one night I was fingering her and eating her out, then I decided to flip her in preparation for doggy style but decided to lick her anus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433106)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:53 PM
Author: chestnut pontificating idiot

Did you ever fuck her ass?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433109)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:54 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

I also fucked her in the ass, yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433111)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:55 PM
Author: chestnut pontificating idiot

Just making sure. Because if you didn't so both those things, I would say that was almost certainly why she cheated on you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433120)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:56 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

She cheated on me because she was pretty much an alcoholic and when you are also a girl that needs CONSTANT attention, WELP, you know what might happen.

He wasn't even a student at our school. He was the friend of the bf of her roommate and apparently they were all at a party and she was playing beer pong with him, then they started to dance and make out and it progressed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433129)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:57 PM
Author: chestnut pontificating idiot

Sounds like you got pwnt I'm sorry bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433134)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:58 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

idk man 2 weeks later I was back at it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433141)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:47 PM
Author: turquoise gas station

eating her ass?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433488)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:12 PM
Author: Ebony Trip Legal Warrant Athletic Conference

? what's wrong with rim jobs? better than eating disgusting yeast factory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433652)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:16 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

I was back hooking up with girls, it's college, women are there to be fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433688)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:57 PM
Author: comical ruddy people who are hurt stain

That sounds INTELLECTUAL AS FUCK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433138)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:58 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

yes it was

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433143)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:58 PM
Author: chestnut pontificating idiot

Can you describe the sound that haunted you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433144)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:59 PM
Author: comical ruddy people who are hurt stain

query JOHNSMEYER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433150)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:59 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

You ever watch a porno and think, no way, she's faking it? It was like that. And I know she *wasn't* faking it because when I used to get her drunk and fuck her she was so loud that my roommates called her "Cameron Indoor" because she was so noisy.

I never got into specifics with her about what they were doing but she was probably riding him and then you could hear the skin on skin contact so they switched to doggystyle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433159)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:00 PM
Author: chestnut pontificating idiot

Go on...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433166)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:02 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

That's all I got man. I listened for about 4 minutes because I wanted to be 100000% sure it was my gf. If it were her friend and I accused my gf of it, I would be a major creep for sneaking into their house and then listening to someone else have sex. Yes, it was my gf's room, but I heard stories of her roommate fucking in other's rooms before.

I am 99% certain she had an orgasm and I know they stopped and did a new position and I am pretty sure he came but inside a condom and that's when I knew it was her because of the laugh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433177)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:03 PM
Author: Laughsome Coral Nursing Home Death Wish

How did you dump her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433186)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:05 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

you dont really dump, I just sorta texted her I didnt want to see her, she would protest, I would protest, we would bicker, then stop texting and then nothing ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433193)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:13 PM
Author: supple jewess preventive strike

so her roommates heard this basically all the time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433233)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:29 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

We fucked at my place almost every time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433353)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:59 PM
Author: Hideous Pozpig Forum

the moans of my future wife

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433152)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 8:58 AM
Author: bipolar university personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25437397)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:59 PM
Author: massive hospital

so did you just leave after you heard her or what.

sorry bro. this would fucking haunt me as well idk what i'd do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433153)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:03 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

So I listened for a few minutes and once I heard her distinctive laugh I was 10000% certain it was her

I left and I was pretty shocked and sad, didn't return her calls for 2 days, didn't leave my room, then she emailed me because she knew I figured it out somehow and she said she was sorry and it was a drunken mistake and could she make it better

we met up again and I told her it was over and then 2 weeks later I fucked her again after we saw each other drunkenly

texted after that but it was over and we never spoke again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433182)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:59 PM
Author: heady son of senegal sanctuary

Buckwild? Like more than with you or what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433155)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:00 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

She had been that loud with me when drunk before but not as loud as the relationship progressed

the thing is, NO ONE ELSE was home at the time so I think she felt like she could be loud as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433167)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 3:59 PM
Author: chestnut pontificating idiot

Was the guy black?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433161)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:00 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

No white but he was pretty bulky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433169)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:00 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Lime Garrison

how was YLS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433165)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:13 PM
Author: supple jewess preventive strike

this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433235)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:33 PM
Author: peach gaped home selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433381)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:36 PM
Author: mind-boggling shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433406)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:42 PM
Author: Ebony Trip Legal Warrant Athletic Conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433454)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 12:35 AM
Author: shivering immigrant step-uncle's house

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25436461)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 8:59 AM
Author: bipolar university personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25437400)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:34 PM
Author: peach gaped home selfie

buckwild? moar liek cuckwild

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433382)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:35 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

when a drunk 20 y/o rides a dick it's like she's a gorilla

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433392)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:42 PM
Author: supple jewess preventive strike

the most painful thing i've ever witnessed:

even though I had several chicks I was hanging out with during senior year of college, there was one that stood out above the rest. I was in awe of this girl, probably moreso than any girl I've ever met, and we talked on the phone several times a week, went out together a lot, etc. She always told me that she wanted to take it slow with me, and never kissed me, but I was so head over heels for her that I kept coming back. Several times she introduced me to a male "friend" of hers, an alpha as fuck lax bro who went to Phillips Exeter. I had to admit that I was both suspicious and jealous of this guy, because she seemed interested in him.

One night I was shit faced walking back to my house from the bars. On the way home was the entrance to her apartment complex. It was like 3am, and about 100 yards I saw a couple walking on the sidewalk and turn into her apartment complex. I walk up to it, and its her and that guy, kissing in full embrace. The first pangs of utter pain tore through my heart. I sort of stepped behind some bushes so they wouldn't see me. They made out for about 5 minutes, then she stopped and led him by hand back to her apartment. I went home and cried like a fucking baby, and couldn't sleep even though I was drunk. The rest of the weekend I was like a zombie, my heart hurt.

Still called her the next week like I hadn't seen anything, like the beta friendzoned cuck that I was. I promised myself that this would never happen again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433452)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:45 PM
Author: Red excitant center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433470)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:48 PM
Author: supple jewess preventive strike

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433489)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:49 PM
Author: Red excitant center

why were u such a beta?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433504)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:50 PM
Author: supple jewess preventive strike

I admit that I was a beta.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433510)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:51 PM
Author: Red excitant center

but you weren't actually in a relationship, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433515)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:57 PM
Author: supple jewess preventive strike

I took her out and hung out with her a lot, but no.

It's pathetic, I admit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433550)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:52 PM
Author: Vibrant Frozen Old Irish Cottage

Just PN pumo adding your personal story to his excel sheet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433520)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 4:58 PM
Author: Red excitant center

i'm PN? where? link???

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433555)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:03 PM
Author: Grizzly Sandwich

reminder: libs want all straight cis men to experience this pain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433580)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:04 PM
Author: supple jewess preventive strike

it fucking sucked.

But was it intellectual? Surely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433595)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:36 AM
Author: splenetic cumskin area

Friendzoned xo betas have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25436735)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 6:18 AM
Author: drab useless liquid oxygen national security agency

i doubt any of us would've wanted you as a friend or gf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25437293)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:04 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

so what happened after you called? how does it end

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433593)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:05 PM
Author: supple jewess preventive strike

we graduated. she went off to law school in another city. Lost contact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433601)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:08 PM
Author: Chrome national sound barrier

you dodged a bullet, then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433625)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 6:55 AM
Author: Razzle business firm

We'll at least she got lifepwned most likely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25437317)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:09 PM
Author: rebellious plaza

:(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433632)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:14 PM
Author: Electric hot senate

why do you think she was humoring you? were there any indicators of romantic interest on her part?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433674)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 5:23 PM
Author: supple jewess preventive strike

at the time I thought so. But back then I was super naive.

Now if a girl doesn't go out with me after asking her out once, and MAYBE twice, I bail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25433738)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:20 AM
Author: drab useless liquid oxygen national security agency

that's miserable and why you should never do the ""platonic friends" with girl i want to fuck thing"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25436676)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:23 AM
Author: Provocative mad cow disease multi-billionaire

do any men do the platonic friends thing with girls they don't want to fuck? if so, why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25436687)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 6:16 AM
Author: drab useless liquid oxygen national security agency

xo flame aside, women can be good people. some are very kind and considerate (including some of the ones who are still probably a pain in the ass to have a "relationship" with)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25437292)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 6:26 AM
Author: Black alpha

disregard, misread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25437302)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:23 AM
Author: Provocative mad cow disease multi-billionaire

this fucking sucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550081&forum_id=2#25436689)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 6:54 AM
Author: Razzle business firm

:(

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Date: April 24th, 2014 8:13 AM
Author: Transparent metal tank meetinghouse

Ouch. Sorry but we all learn this the hard way.

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