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If OCI fails I'm going JAG - any good links for prep info?
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Date: August 30th, 2010 10:59 PM Author: Galvanic disgusting national boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15926367) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 12:04 AM Author: Marvelous pervert http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcTMsSDJ_40
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Date: August 31st, 2010 12:26 AM Author: Cream aromatic rigor Good luck bucko
They're pretty good at screening out the "this was my last choice" crowd.
Enjoy getting REJECTIONPWNED by Army/AF/Navy |
Date: August 30th, 2010 10:59 PM Author: Startling degenerate headpube competitive, needn't have any medical issues, need to be in good to great shape, and expect to get shipped to Iraq or Afghanistan. Good luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15926379) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 11:00 PM Author: Galvanic disgusting national boistinker i'm in great shape, no med issues, don't care about shipping out, can probably get good recs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15926385) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 12:09 AM Author: copper violent round eye indian lodge and you'll need an answer to the question why did you wait to hear from firms before applying? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15927398) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 12:11 AM Author: Boyish garrison kitty cat What? JAG applications are NOW? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15927426) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 12:39 AM Author: Appetizing liquid oxygen abode AF is every other month (i.e. 6 times a year). October is the next "board selection," which means you'll need to set up an interview at the nearest AFB by Sept. 25 (roughly). Army is biannual, the next board is November (I think). Not sure about Navy, Marines, or CG.
I hope you have gobs of public interest work on your resume. Anything short of total commitment to public interest work and you're likely auto-ding... I should know, as I have my AF offer (pending bar results) and a friend of mine (with better stats) who thought JAG was a good fall-back got rejectionpwned.
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Date: August 31st, 2010 12:54 AM Author: effete 180 regret deer antler Selectivity, from easiest to hardest, appears to go Army > Navy > AF. All are competitive, especially ITE. Apply to each branch and apply as many times as you can. Try to schedule the applications so that you'll get responses from your "second choice" branch first - once you've been selected you don't have much time to decide.
KILL THE INTERVIEW. And by that I mean absolutely decimate it. If you get a solid rec from them it goes a long, long way. This isn't OCI where the interviewer has probably made up his mind which 4-5 people are getting callbacks. This is your only chance to make a real impression in person, and doing so will elevate your package above everyone else. |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 2:05 PM Author: Appetizing liquid oxygen abode unsure on the credit-worthiness of this response. I got in first time with the AF, and waitlist (eventual rejectionpwned) by Army. All this despite having LoRs from Army JAGs and being more meat-headed than the AF FSO I interviewed with. Didn't apply Navy, though... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15930427) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 6:38 PM Author: Laughsome market Nice handle. Kaufman was the man for Bar/Bri. I still remember that guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15932647) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 8:08 PM Author: effete 180 regret deer antler Just spouting conventional wisdom, bro. Army is a much larger force overall, takes more people, etc.
I think the point is that all the branches are somewhat random in their selections - I got in first time Navy which from what I gather is somewhat rare. Regardless, the respective selectivity of the branches is an extremely minor point - you should apply to the one(s) you want the most. |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 8:15 PM Author: Appetizing liquid oxygen abode I agree with your clarification.
Fwiw, this was my formula for an offer: Pub. Interest work (state and federal prosecutor's offices) + letters from supervisors in those places who were ALSO JAGs + letters from important ppl (judges, division chiefs, etc) you ACTUALLY worked with + can do attitude = success for me. |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 9:14 AM Author: Gold beady-eyed dilemma idiot nice, this sounds like me exactly. except for working with former JAGS; didn't really have a choice about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15937716) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 9:57 PM Author: chartreuse trip station To be fair,
I was under the impression that Marines was the toughest/most prestigious? |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 6:36 PM Author: Laughsome market Third year USAF JAG.
The most comprehensive JAG resource right now is actually a TLS thread: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31543
A number of JAG and other military contributers from the various services.
I can tell you that selection stats for USAF Direct Appointment have hovered in the 4%-5% range for the past 12-18 months. 12-20ish applicants selected for each board, x 6 boards annually. |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 7:14 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Marketing Idea how given is JAG-->USAO/DOJ/BIGFED?
also, is Army any less selective? |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 8:19 PM Author: Appetizing liquid oxygen abode this is relevant to my interests...
From the JAGs and former JAGs who were AUSAs that I worked with, the first step (USAO) seems highly likely. Whether you can make the jump to Main Justice (why would you want to, honestly?? You'd go from running your own cases and trials to being more of an appellate clerk... not my cup of tea...) seems hazy. Staying a Fed in another bureau seems easy as well, depending on your caseload as an AUSA (or so I've been told). |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 8:23 PM Author: effete 180 regret deer antler Yeah from what I've seen DOJ ----> AUSA seems far more common from JAG (as opposed to AUSA ----> DOJ), although maybe that's a matter of personal preference more than anything. If you like trial work, hard to give up AUSA for main justice like you noted.
When do you start? |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 8:55 PM Author: Startling degenerate headpube cr, AUSA > Main Justice
who wants to deal with DC and write briefs all day? barf |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 8:35 PM Author: indigo dog poop church building Going to sit for Army and AF boards until I graduate, hope it works out. Really AF, would settle for Army.
What's the best way I can spin me not doing their summer program, I'm guessing they will question my commitment, "why didn't you do X," etc. Last summer I worked for a judge, this summer I did something non-law related (ouch, right?). Non-law resume has some decent volunteer work and such, but there is not a huge load of massive public interest, DA's office volunteer, etc. Am I fracked?
I do actually want the AF, with the shitty economy I spent the last year flirting with the idea of trying for OTS and dropping out, but people convinced me to stay in law school and try for JAG. I don't know why I didn't try for their 2L program...guess I thought I could get a firm job. I figure that will probably fuck me over.
Have been following the TLS thread for some time, talked with some alums from my school who are AF JAG, I'm pretty solid on the basics so at least I won't look stoopid. Does anyone know if they bother to read your personal statement, and if so what should I say beyond "desire to serve" and reasons for choosing that branch. My guess is that I will be autofail for not showing enough interest in the military in the past, but who knows? |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 8:54 PM Author: Startling degenerate headpube wuts ur mile time brah? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15933824) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 9:30 PM Author: indigo dog poop church building No idea, but they don't make you do it at the interview, so I can get through that stage. At least I'm not a fat, that should probably help, rite? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15934098) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 9:35 PM Author: Startling degenerate headpube yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15934161) |
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Date: August 31st, 2010 10:00 PM Author: Laughsome market We come from some pretty diverse backgrounds, so don't feel you are f-ed out of the gate. If you are able to articulate why you want to serve and how your career path has lead you there, you will be alright.
The personal statement will be read by the SJA before/during your interview and can influence his/her recommendation. Once it reaches the board, the PS really does not come into play until they have whittled down the applicants to a small number and the traditional rack-and-stack methods have already been used. Like in law school, a weak PS will absolutely kill you but a strong PS will not guarantee anything.
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Date: August 31st, 2010 10:03 PM Author: Boyish garrison kitty cat This is the normal timeline if we want to work there our 2L summer, too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15934518) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 9:32 AM Author: Fear-inspiring Marketing Idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15937769) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 2:20 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Marketing Idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15939407) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 8:25 AM Author: lemon magical field main people Both the SJA and Selection Board read your personal statement, no matter what. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15937656) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 8:47 AM Author: Fear-inspiring Marketing Idea which branch gives you the best opportunity to immediately prosecute court martials? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410208&forum_id=2#15937677) |