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Being a lawn guy beats grilling, golfing, or snobby beer tasting.

Nothing beats a freshly mowed and fertilized lawn.
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
I fucking hate cutting my grass but my wife “likes&rdq...
jet elite digit ratio
  05/14/24
you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile and you don't h...
curious lettuce box office
  05/14/24
lots of overlap between lawn and grill guys.
vermilion trip office
  05/14/24
🙋‍♂️
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
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Spruce Arousing Site
  05/14/24
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translucent spectacular milk
  05/14/24
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french disturbing personal credit line background story
  05/14/24
Golfing is the only real hobby on that list.
impertinent sneaky criminal partner
  05/14/24
It's the worst option in there by far.
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
golf is 180 you jewfuck
curious lettuce box office
  05/14/24
I quit my country club this year and don't have a single reg...
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
dumb. prices are going up just like housing and everything ...
curious lettuce box office
  05/14/24
lol mowing your lawn sucks shit
curious lettuce box office
  05/14/24
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impertinent sneaky criminal partner
  05/14/24
I love my golf course lawn. Nothing beats a 1" high cu...
judgmental thriller death wish hell
  05/14/24
wait until you get into "advanced lawn guy" stuff ...
Spruce Arousing Site
  05/14/24
lol (((doodikoff))) failed solo, lost his house
judgmental thriller death wish hell
  05/14/24
I netted more than $500k after taxes from selling my house b...
Spruce Arousing Site
  05/14/24
Amazing, brother. You are an inspiration for all of us sinne...
Hairraiser hyperactive sanctuary
  05/14/24
The key to a well kept lawn is the edging, which is also the...
Hairraiser hyperactive sanctuary
  05/14/24
stfu fat fuck you don't know anything.
judgmental thriller death wish hell
  05/14/24
100%. An otherwise well groomed lawn looks sloppy and pr...
vermilion trip office
  05/14/24
I don't edge. 🥲
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
Seems like backyard golf green that you seed, roll, cut your...
submissive pisswyrm
  05/14/24
the amount of time and effort it would take to maintain a le...
curious lettuce box office
  05/14/24
That's why it's a POWERLAWNGOY move
submissive pisswyrm
  05/14/24
lawn work sucks. the key is to keep your lawn as simple and...
gold library candlestick maker
  05/14/24
I’ve been considering a natural, no-mow lawn. Certify ...
impertinent sneaky criminal partner
  05/14/24
fuck, i never heard of this. i'm going to plant some milkwee...
translucent spectacular milk
  05/14/24
https://ibb.co/GHWwXVS if your property isn't a habitat for ...
excitant unholy market marketing idea
  05/14/24
Not no-mow but I’m about to overseed with micro clover
turquoise station jew
  05/15/24
lawns are flame. i've been seeding clover in an attempt to s...
translucent spectacular milk
  05/14/24
180
turquoise station jew
  05/15/24
Putting lawn care on the same playing field as grilling or g...
Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part
  05/14/24
You don’t live in the south right? There is a lot of o...
Spruce Arousing Site
  05/14/24
Fair, yeah maybe it's regional. Here a guy into lawns compar...
Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part
  05/14/24
What did lawnbulls do to you?
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
I live in a beautiful neighborhood that was built in the 20s...
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
Lawns and grilling are a common topic of conversation out on...
Cocky property newt
  05/14/24
imagine trying to have a conversation with him about dogs or...
judgmental thriller death wish hell
  05/14/24
(gay trailer kike)
Pontificating affirmative action telephone
  05/14/24
agreed
Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part
  05/14/24
yeah among the bitches you play with. grilling yes lawns obv...
Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part
  05/14/24
I don't know what to tell you because I have no idea what it...
Cocky property newt
  05/14/24
Go prune your rose bush faggot
Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part
  05/14/24
The border is --> that way, pal. Don't let the door hit y...
Cocky property newt
  05/14/24
I know where the border is, that's where I look to hire the ...
Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part
  05/14/24
Lawns are lots of work and there’s a lot of bugs out t...
Hairraiser hyperactive sanctuary
  05/14/24
Lawnscaping is art. It requires enormous dedication and fore...
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
lawn guys are the biggest fags imaginable, they are just lam...
concupiscible fat ankles
  05/14/24
they're catty fags
excitant unholy market marketing idea
  05/14/24
...
Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part
  05/14/24
Lmao. Get bent.
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
enjoy your short grass and destroying your local habitat
concupiscible fat ankles
  05/14/24
Enjoy your weeds with cockroaches in them.
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
you mean a meadow?
concupiscible fat ankles
  05/14/24
I am sure your .1 acre "meadow" in a concrete mega...
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
I live adjoining a 15 acre hay field, unfortunately my landl...
concupiscible fat ankles
  05/14/24
If it's a hay field it gets mowed too.
galvanic cerise brethren state
  05/14/24
twice a year
concupiscible fat ankles
  05/14/24
Cricket anyone?
flirting dull degenerate
  05/14/24
I'm just a Lawn Guy from Lawn Guy Land...
aphrodisiac laser beams orchestra pit
  05/14/24
When home alone, which is rare, I like to walk the lawn bare...
Big kink-friendly theater genital piercing
  05/14/24
I Walk The Lawn
aphrodisiac laser beams orchestra pit
  05/14/24
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galvanic cerise brethren state
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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:23 AM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

Nothing beats a freshly mowed and fertilized lawn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659940)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:26 AM
Author: jet elite digit ratio

I fucking hate cutting my grass but my wife “likes” doing it so she refuses to let us pay for a lawn service since she says she’d just rather do it so I have to beat her to the mower and do it myself or I look like an asshole in front of the neighborhood for making my wife cut the grass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659941)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:40 AM
Author: curious lettuce box office

you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile and you don't have a wife and probably don't have a lawn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659967)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:27 AM
Author: vermilion trip office

lots of overlap between lawn and grill guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659942)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:32 AM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

🙋‍♂️

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659955)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:15 AM
Author: Spruce Arousing Site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660048)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:15 AM
Author: translucent spectacular milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660209)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:28 AM
Author: french disturbing personal credit line background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659945)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:28 AM
Author: impertinent sneaky criminal partner

Golfing is the only real hobby on that list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659946)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:13 AM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

It's the worst option in there by far.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660040)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:26 AM
Author: curious lettuce box office

golf is 180 you jewfuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660086)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:38 AM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

I quit my country club this year and don't have a single regret.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660123)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:28 AM
Author: curious lettuce box office

dumb. prices are going up just like housing and everything else and you'll pay through the dick in initiation if you ever want back in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660433)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:40 AM
Author: curious lettuce box office

lol mowing your lawn sucks shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659968)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:41 AM
Author: impertinent sneaky criminal partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47659970)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:16 AM
Author: judgmental thriller death wish hell

I love my golf course lawn.

Nothing beats a 1" high cut deep green Kentucky Bluegrass lawn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660054)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:23 AM
Author: Spruce Arousing Site

wait until you get into "advanced lawn guy" stuff like striping attachments for your lawn mower - I have friends who do this and I want one when I get a house again

https://www.amazon.com/Toro-20601-Lawn-Striping-System/dp/B004ZKXYUO/ref=asc_df_B004ZKXYUO/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693308318791&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4640841603144006981&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010937&hvtargid=pla-350224723370&psc=1&mcid=9c51b0c8d2d73a09b5bbc7cb8a496959&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwl4yyBhAgEiwADSEjeIOciF3s2e4vs9Q_zzAdhQJ0yUPUZNi1sJkSNC91n6_8SYzumbgvTRoCSJMQAvD_BwE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660074)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:01 AM
Author: judgmental thriller death wish hell

lol (((doodikoff))) failed solo, lost his house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660186)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:29 AM
Author: Spruce Arousing Site

I netted more than $500k after taxes from selling my house brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660250)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:35 AM
Author: Hairraiser hyperactive sanctuary

Amazing, brother. You are an inspiration for all of us sinners out there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660269)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:25 AM
Author: Hairraiser hyperactive sanctuary

The key to a well kept lawn is the edging, which is also the worst part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660083)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:02 AM
Author: judgmental thriller death wish hell

stfu fat fuck you don't know anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660189)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:19 AM
Author: vermilion trip office

100%.

An otherwise well groomed lawn looks sloppy and prole if the edging is not done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660220)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:09 AM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

I don't edge. 🥲

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660386)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:56 AM
Author: submissive pisswyrm

Seems like backyard golf green that you seed, roll, cut yourself is peak lawndaddy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660173)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:05 AM
Author: curious lettuce box office

the amount of time and effort it would take to maintain a legit green probably would leave you with little time to actually practice putting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660197)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 1:02 PM
Author: submissive pisswyrm

That's why it's a POWERLAWNGOY move

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660716)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:09 AM
Author: gold library candlestick maker

lawn work sucks. the key is to keep your lawn as simple and easy to maintain as possible. that way if your wife wants to plant some tulips in some dirt or something it doesnt matter. the way some of these boomers designed these yards is absurd to me. its like having a swimming pool for a front yard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660199)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:50 AM
Author: impertinent sneaky criminal partner

I’ve been considering a natural, no-mow lawn. Certify that bitch as a Monarch Waypoint.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660315)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:10 AM
Author: translucent spectacular milk

fuck, i never heard of this. i'm going to plant some milkweed and get certified like yny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660390)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:32 PM
Author: excitant unholy market marketing idea

https://ibb.co/GHWwXVS if your property isn't a habitat for 1k woodland critters you're not white

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662037)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 1:05 AM
Author: turquoise station jew

Not no-mow but I’m about to overseed with micro clover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662576)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:17 AM
Author: translucent spectacular milk

lawns are flame. i've been seeding clover in an attempt to snuff out the grass. but i'm a native plants faggot. i agree with your underlying point that landscaping and gardening is 180. i just pulled my first radishes yesterday. my peas should start flowering soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660216)



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Date: May 15th, 2024 1:05 AM
Author: turquoise station jew

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662578)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:22 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part

Putting lawn care on the same playing field as grilling or golf is lol. The phenotypes are not matched.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660231)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:30 AM
Author: Spruce Arousing Site

You don’t live in the south right? There is a lot of overlap

I am friends with the son of a prominent us senator, fratty as fuck and makes a lot of money from his nepotism job, that obsesses over his lawn and does all of the work himself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660255)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 12:20 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part

Fair, yeah maybe it's regional. Here a guy into lawns comparing himself to a golfer is like a geek that plays Magic the Gathering comparing himself to a quarterback.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660571)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 1:11 PM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

What did lawnbulls do to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660760)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:36 AM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

I live in a beautiful neighborhood that was built in the 20s. I wouldn't expect most Californians to understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660276)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:58 AM
Author: Cocky property newt

Lawns and grilling are a common topic of conversation out on the course. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660351)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:27 AM
Author: judgmental thriller death wish hell

imagine trying to have a conversation with him about dogs or something. Might as well be discussing ancient chinese calligraphy with him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660431)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:28 AM
Author: Pontificating affirmative action telephone

(gay trailer kike)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660435)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 12:17 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part

agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660565)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 12:17 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part

yeah among the bitches you play with. grilling yes lawns obviously not lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47660561)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:03 PM
Author: Cocky property newt

I don't know what to tell you because I have no idea what it's like where you came from. Maybe you should go back. But here in America when one of your golfing buddies gets a new tractor or puts up an impressive Christmas light display it's a topic of conversation among the golfing dad set.

Additional easy ways for this to happen is someone mentioning they've been chipping in the backyard. Or somebody mentions they played at shady acres last week and it sucked because the greens had been aerated (oh, we're having our lawn aerated next week, etc.) Or whatever man. I think it's best if you just go back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661477)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:15 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part

Go prune your rose bush faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661510)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: Cocky property newt

The border is --> that way, pal. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661537)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:23 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part

I know where the border is, that's where I look to hire the Mexicans that maintain my lawn for me. How did this year's zucchini crop fit in your butthold fag?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661690)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:36 PM
Author: Hairraiser hyperactive sanctuary

Lawns are lots of work and there’s a lot of bugs out there.

Grilling is kind of meh, can be mastered in about 4-6 months of practice.

Golf is just expensive and stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661395)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:09 PM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

Lawnscaping is art. It requires enormous dedication and foresight to make a spectacular yard. If you are wondering where all the Michaelangelos went, they are on their zero turns right now.

Grilling/BBQ is art but anyone can become proficient quickly. It is like going to one of those wine and paint places.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661491)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 4:53 PM
Author: concupiscible fat ankles

lawn guys are the biggest fags imaginable, they are just lame enough to find running a little machine to be entertaining as they have never run real machinery and the total amount of material waste that goes into some big perfect lawn is enormous, all while destroying natural habitat for native plants and species in the service of...nothing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661447)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:07 PM
Author: excitant unholy market marketing idea

they're catty fags

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661486)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:15 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring aromatic menage party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661512)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

Lmao. Get bent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661538)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:25 PM
Author: concupiscible fat ankles

enjoy your short grass and destroying your local habitat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661543)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:38 PM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

Enjoy your weeds with cockroaches in them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661562)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:41 PM
Author: concupiscible fat ankles

you mean a meadow?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661571)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:08 PM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

I am sure your .1 acre "meadow" in a concrete megalopolis is beautiful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661639)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:10 PM
Author: concupiscible fat ankles

I live adjoining a 15 acre hay field, unfortunately my landlord insists I mow a bunch of lawn too, but the field is much more aesthetically pleasing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661643)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:14 PM
Author: galvanic cerise brethren state

If it's a hay field it gets mowed too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661653)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 6:27 PM
Author: concupiscible fat ankles

twice a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661701)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 5:44 PM
Author: flirting dull degenerate

Cricket anyone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47661574)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 8:41 PM
Author: aphrodisiac laser beams orchestra pit

I'm just a Lawn Guy from Lawn Guy Land...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5528360&forum_id=2#47662063)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:32 PM
Author: Big kink-friendly theater genital piercing

When home alone, which is rare, I like to walk the lawn barefoot, enjoying the dusk, sipping a scotch, enjoy a guilty secret cigarette. Simple pleasures of life.

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Date: May 14th, 2024 9:52 PM
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I Walk The Lawn

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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:11 PM
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