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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:35 PM Author: mustard big lay chad this was sent to the ENTIRE SCHOOL. sent at 3:40am on a Saturday night, no less.
Dennis,
I would prefer that you and I settle our differences in a less public forum. But given that you have repeatedly questioned my integrity over the class email lists-and given that I am no longer the Journal's Editor-in-Chief-I feel obliged-and entitled-to respond to you in kind.
I understand that you and other students in our law school disagree both with the Journal's decision not to withdrawal our publication offer to Kiwi Camara and the manner in which we made that decision. I tried to do the right thing in confronting this issue. You obviously think I failed, and I admit that reasonable minds can disagree about what the proper course of action for the Journal was in this situation.
But you do not seem willing to concede this point. Instead, you have repeatedly questioned not only my competence but my character, suggesting, via your enlightening illustrations, that I am nothing short of a racist.
As far as I know, you and I have never met. And, as such, I do not know why you are confident enough in your assessment of me to continually use the panlists to malign my character.
Should you decide you are man enough to confront me in person, I am willing to meet at the time and place of your choosing to discuss our differences. Until then, I would suggest that you spare our classmates the trouble of deleting your ad hominem attacks on me and the Journal.
My email is [redacted]. My address is [redcated]. My phone number is [redacted]. And should it come to that point, I am willing to offer you the same choice Maureen Dowd once offered to Zell Miller: pistols or swords.
Best, CJ |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:38 PM Author: Dashing impressive double fault business firm Sounds extraordinarily sane. Is this Dennis guy as huge a douchebag as this letter makes him seem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686224) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:39 PM Author: Thriller Self-absorbed Senate Except the sending it to the entire school at 3:40 a.m. part.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686229) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:39 PM Author: Dashing impressive double fault business firm Well the other guy had been doing the same thing? Seems a fair response. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686232) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:40 PM Author: Jet idiotic temple nm. i would have tried to find a better duel reference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686237) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:45 PM Author: Thriller Self-absorbed Senate He should have been more realistic, too. Pistols or swords? I think "exaggerated catty slap-fight" is probably the more likely scenario (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686249) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:46 PM Author: Excitant Insane Heaven Do you not get jokes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686256) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:49 PM Author: Thriller Self-absorbed Senate yeah, but apparently you don't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686269) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:49 PM Author: bisexual claret spot Oh yeah! But you never know with these up-tight Yalies... did you ever see the movie The Skulls? I bet it could come to that... in fact, I'm sure that's what she was referencing, in a completely serious nature. Yup, no sarcasm behind what she was saying at all... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686271) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:40 PM Author: Nighttime saffron pisswyrm damn yalies and their arcane references (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686234) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:13 PM Author: frozen karate principal's office i like the "pistols or swords" ending -- it mitigates the obvious invitation to throw down in a way that makes it possible to pass the underlying menace off as a joke, while creating a situation where if dennis fails to confront him, he looks like a pussy.
though fighting your classmates is probably never a good call, especially if you are ylr eic, for christ's sake. |
Date: April 30th, 2006 12:40 PM Author: bearded abode this whole controversy demonstrates perfectly why the social sciences are so TTT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686233) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:40 PM Author: Excitant Insane Heaven He actually sounds like a cool dude to me.
I can't believe this Kiwi drama is still playing out up there. |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:56 PM Author: beady-eyed hairless roommate 'He' writes like a girl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686315) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 1:00 PM Author: learning disabled crawly market partner He's at Yale. What do you expect? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686345) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:41 PM Author: Ruby Territorial Gas Station No worse than the other e-mails going out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686239) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:42 PM Author: milky piazza Sounds like Dennis is a douche. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686242) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:45 PM Author: Electric frum area suck up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686250) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:48 PM Author: milky piazza I think the real issue at hand here is:
Nigs buy land with no nig covenant; Q: Enforceable?
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:50 PM Author: Electric frum area I think it is enforceable as long as the person they paid money to held the title to the land. What do you think
Disclaimer: I am a 0L, and I will not be attending YLS. Or Cornell, for that matter. |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:51 PM Author: milky piazza That sounds reasonable to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686284) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:52 PM Author: Dashing impressive double fault business firm Stateactionequalprotectionpwn3d (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686290) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:53 PM Author: Ruby Territorial Gas Station Vinson, C.J., writing for the Court: No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686297) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:54 PM Author: Vigorous Flushed Love Of Her Life Incorrect. See Shelley v Kraemer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686301) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:57 PM Author: Electric frum area Yeah, let me just look that up in my casebook. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686321) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:59 PM Author: Vigorous Flushed Love Of Her Life most cases are available through a google search, if you are TTT and don't have access to westlaw or lexis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686334) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 1:02 PM Author: Electric frum area I'm a 0L. I obviously know nothing about anything related to the law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686354) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:54 PM Author: Cyan outnumbered circlehead "a judicial action is a state action" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686303) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:51 PM Author: Cyan outnumbered circlehead Racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!heheh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686287) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 12:52 PM Author: bisexual claret spot Even pre-existing covenants can't violate the Fair Housing Act. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686293) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 1:00 PM Author: crimson locale background story They can, only the courts will not enforce them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686343) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 1:01 PM Author: learning disabled crawly market partner True. I imagine they could create extra-judicial enforcement mechanisms. (Security deposits held in escrow, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686351) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:46 PM Author: Well-lubricated salmon state nowag You could be a Klan lawyer. Pursue this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686861) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 6:38 PM Author: comical navy set electric furnace I just realized we did this case in Property. Hilarious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5688523) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 1:00 PM Author: learning disabled crawly market partner The only thing crazy about this is that he referenced maureen dowd.
The letter seems perfectly straightforward, and it doesn't really matter what time they sent it out. Last time I checked, there wasn't a bell that went off whenever you received e-mail, unlike with the telephone.
Btw, why the fuck is a stupid cunt like dowd challenging people like Miller to duels (especially given that he's probably been in a few, and she'd scream like a petrified terrier at the most remote suggestion of actual violence?) He should kill her with his bowie knife just for being moronic enough to open her ugly mouth. Right after he kills matthews. |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 1:10 PM Author: Electric frum area Her duel remark was obviously sarcastic and it poked fun at how insane Miller is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686400) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 1:05 PM Author: Puce lascivious meetinghouse To agree with almost everyone else...while this isn't exactly the e-mail I would have written, he is clearly not one tenth the douche this "Dennis" character appears to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686369) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 1:24 PM Author: Brindle Theater Stage Philosopher-king credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686497) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:28 PM Author: Silver flickering school cafeteria It's not really fair to call someone a douche if you haven't seen the emails that sparked CJ's response. If you are on the YLS panlists, never mind.
Personally, CJ's email makes me feel sorry for him, kinda. Like he's letting this mess drive him crazy or something; like he's cracking under the pressure. It's kinda sad. |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:30 PM Author: milky piazza Is Dennis behaving the way that CJ describes him to be? If so his reaction seems completely justified. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686763) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:33 PM Author: fishy sanctuary nibblets oh shut up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686778) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:35 PM Author: Silver flickering school cafeteria I started with a longer explanation, but it might not be fair to speak for people who aren't here to defend themselves. So I'll just say, "Not exactly."
I will say that Dennis has actually been very proactive on this issue since December. I've never met him personally, but he is the person who wrote up a petition that several students signed asking the Journal to re-evaluate its position on publication. It's rather inaccurate to say that his attacks have been primarily directed at CJ. Other students have written in to remind CJ that the controversy was never about him, though he has obviously taken it very personally.
EDIT: And I can't say that I would take it less personally if I were in his shoes. |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:39 PM Author: fishy sanctuary nibblets honestly, any action on Dennis' part will be deemed unjunstified by xoxo posters. also, anything and everything the EIC does or says is reasonable (save murder, *probably*). this is how it works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686815) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:41 PM Author: Silver flickering school cafeteria you're probably right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686831) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:47 PM Author: odious clown field OP: "I understand that you and other students in our law school disagree both with the Journal's decision not to withdrawal our publication offer to Kiwi Camara and the manner in which we made that decision. "
MoBell: "I will say that Dennis has actually been very proactive on this issue since December. I've never met him personally, but he is the person who wrote up a petition that several students signed asking the Journal to re-evaluate its position on publication."
If this is true, then Dennis is a tool and should be expelled.
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:48 PM Author: fishy sanctuary nibblets students who write petitions should be expelled now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686866) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:49 PM Author: odious clown field He's an embarrassment. It's the content of the petition that warrants expulsion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686874) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:50 PM Author: fishy sanctuary nibblets stupid fuck. i'm seriously debating whether i should take the time to point out the obvious hypocrisy here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686880) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:52 PM Author: odious clown field You've been much friendlier in the past. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686892) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:37 PM Author: Ruby Territorial Gas Station It basically boils down to this: If you like the Journal's decision, you support C.J. If you are agnostic, you also support C.J. If you hate the Journal's decision, you support Dennis. Or, at least, that's the way it's playing out over the panlist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686806) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:38 PM Author: milky piazza That's how it seems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686812) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:40 PM Author: Silver flickering school cafeteria There are a number of people who are not writing in to the panlist (like me) who are fairly agnostic about the Journal's decision itself but hate the way C.J. et al. handled it. That was the entire premise of the alternative panel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686825) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:42 PM Author: Ruby Territorial Gas Station Yes, I suspect there are many marginalized voices (sorry for the pun) in the ongoing panlist debate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686834) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 4:20 PM Author: Bateful Adulterous Elastic Band Address What was wrong with the way he handled it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5687503) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:48 PM Author: odious clown field Anyone who dislikes the Journal's decision needs to suck it up and stop whining. It was unquestionably the right decision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686870) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:51 PM Author: fishy sanctuary nibblets yeah, i agree with the journal's decision, too - you know, freedom of speech, academic integrity and fairness, blah blah blah. what's funny to me is how you little white impotent faggots are characterizing the situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686887) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:54 PM Author: Brindle Theater Stage Philosopher-king Isn't the point though that the decision was made, it was defensible (even if not the correct one), and that's it. Why is it still being discussed over various YLS lists? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686900) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:58 PM Author: fishy sanctuary nibblets agree. the joural has the right to publish what it wants to publish, and when there is doubt, it may be better in most cases to err on the side of publication. it's still being discussed because people's feelings got hurt. i mean, the last line of the email sounded like the EIC douche was challenging this Dennis guy to a duel to the death. haha good work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686928) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:01 PM Author: Brindle Theater Stage Philosopher-king I haven't read any of the other emails (I don't go to YLS, clearly), but my impression was that there was a lot of discussion around this issue right up until the event, that there was an alternate event held--both were streamed on the internet--and that that was it. Are people still discussing the decisionmaking process that resulted in Camara's invite not being rescinded--or is this more personal & aimed at the former EIC specifically? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686942) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:01 PM Author: odious clown field It's a little disappointing that "adults" still feel the need to bleat about their "feelings" months after the decision was made. I guess it's nice living in a bubble... until you have to face the realworld. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686947) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:55 PM Author: odious clown field If you like freedom of speech, you shouldn't be defending Dennis the Terrorist. Freedom of speech does not include harassing phone calls at 2am, graffiti, profanity during classes, throwing rocks, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686910) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:01 PM Author: fishy sanctuary nibblets but i'm not defending the dennis guy. and like i said, i disagree with him in principle. but saying that he should be expelled because he didn't want his school's journal to publish an article written by an alleged racist is the stupidest thing i've ever read on this site. it's like you're saying that the journal can say and do what it wants but students shouldn't be allowed to criticize the journal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686941) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:04 PM Author: odious clown field I think calling for an expulsion is more rational than what he's been up to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686965) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 2:37 PM Author: Bistre Idea He Suggested Point Dennis is a filthy pirate man-hooker! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5686807) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 4:29 PM Author: Puce lascivious meetinghouse That's right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5687580) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:20 PM Author: Sexy Hell actually it seems like a fitting and necessary response to somebody emailing the entire school personal attacks about you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5687040) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:27 PM Author: bronze rehab genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5687083) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:29 PM Author: odious clown field dennis.clare@yale.edu
They plan to print letters in the journal along with his article? What losers. |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:31 PM Author: Silver flickering school cafeteria What class.
Please stop being a prick and remove his email address from this website. |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 3:30 PM Author: Silver flickering school cafeteria Wow, this thread epitomizes what's wrong with America in the age of sound-bytes. Lots of uninformed people carrying on as if they have all of the relevant information.
Just fyi, the reason this is being discussed over the panlists is because the Journal, as it is always open to do, is accepting Letters to the Editor and has *requested* them from members of the student body. The first email in this debate was sent from a Vol. 116 Journal board member asking students attend a meeting to discuss and mold these letters in advance of publication. This particular line of emails is not referencing the Journal's decision on publication. No one is still "whining" here. We all have better things to do. |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 4:00 PM Author: odious clown field "We all have better things to do."
It honestly doesn't sound like it. This really should be a non-issue, but overly sensistive people trapped in their PC-bubbles are having their "feelings" hurt and are reaching out in order to feel "validated." |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 4:22 PM Author: Bateful Adulterous Elastic Band Address They're publishing letters to the editor about this thing? Jesus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5687524) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 5:45 PM Author: Silver flickering school cafeteria The Journal *always* asks for letters to the editor. This is just one time when people are actually writing them. It should be more common, in my view.
From the inside of the Yale Law Journal:
"CORRESPONDENCE: The Yale Law Journal invites letters in response to scholarship appearing in the Journal within the last year. Correspondence should be brief . . . . We cannot guarantee that letters received will be published. Those letters that are selected for publication will be edited with the cooperation of the author." |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 4:30 PM Author: Ruby Territorial Gas Station "No one is still "whining" here. We all have better things to do."
I have no opinion on the foregoing conversation, but I will say that people are definitely still whining. Both sides. |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 6:53 PM Author: Puce lascivious meetinghouse E-mailing pictures of lynchings is reasonable?
"Still, some law students said the Yale Law Journal -- which is widely considered to be among the top legal journals nationwide -- should not publish the article later this month. In an e-mail sent to the Law School community that was obtained by the News, Dennis Clare LAW '06 compared Camara's words to the lynchings of black Americans throughout history and attached several photographs."
http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32184
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Date: April 30th, 2006 4:17 PM Author: Bateful Adulterous Elastic Band Address Crazy? Are you nuts? This guy seems to be 100% in the right here on every ground. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5687476) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 4:20 PM Author: fishy sanctuary nibblets well, to be fair, the EIC challenged a fellow student to a medieval death match involving swords and dragons and stuff like that. that's arguably crazy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5687508) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 4:23 PM Author: Bateful Adulterous Elastic Band Address It's an obvious joke given that he mentioned Zell Miller. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5687535) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 6:35 PM Author: startled narrow-minded nursing home athletic conference Hi, Dennis! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5688484) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 6:39 PM Author: comical navy set electric furnace Is this Dennis guy an African American or an apple picker? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5688534) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 6:41 PM Author: odious clown field Why don't you email him?
dennis.clare@yale.edu |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 6:51 PM Author: comical navy set electric furnace Shall I ask him if their is a no nig covenant for the land housing an apple orchard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5688627) |
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Date: April 30th, 2006 6:54 PM Author: odious clown field Likely not, but use your own judgment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=408378&forum_id=2#5688659) |