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Why Working In Computer Science Actually Sucks
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 11:54 AM Author: pink wild legend brunch Basically explains what is wrong with the XO "just do comp sci, bro" meme. Ignore the shitty title that has nothing to do with anything:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-22/software-engineers-will-work-one-day-for-english-majors.html |
Date: April 23rd, 2012 11:56 AM Author: pink wild legend brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20527944) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:04 PM Author: Multi-colored Underhanded Son Of Senegal National LOL it doesn't really matter what you believe about it but this article is retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528023) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 10:37 PM Author: Cyan Talking Lodge Prole cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20532965) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:05 PM Author: rambunctious windowlicker international law enforcement agency so the bad thing is that eventually you won't be seen as technically savvy and will be forced to seek a management position? lol, how horrible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528035) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:13 PM Author: pink wild legend brunch Last section addresses that. There aren't that many managerial jobs and they would generally prefer to hire MBA types for whatever they can, not some aging coder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528118) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:28 PM Author: violent mauve heaven volcanic crater so you study engineering or CS in your undergrad, get work exp, then get your MBA. I know EE grads who work at the top tech companies and never actually did engineering work there and are now product managers.
the point is you should bust ass in undergrad as much as you can, it shouldn't be viewed as a 4yr vacation.
the only growth is happening in tech and healthcare, both of which require a lot of education from day 1. kids are best served busting ass in undergrad to keep options open. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:06 PM Author: Iridescent brethren "A large technology company might typically pay new law-school graduates and MBAs salaries and compensation approaching double what they give new master’s degree grads in computer science." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528044) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:17 PM Author: Multi-colored Underhanded Son Of Senegal National Matloff is a brilliant guy tbf but this isn't his best work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528134) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:19 PM Author: submissive theatre Dude should just say all careers suck and the stats we have for median wage don't tell you jack shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528165) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:20 PM Author: Multi-colored Underhanded Son Of Senegal National Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528168) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:19 PM Author: pink wild legend brunch That particular point wasn't great, or at least, needed to be fleshed out. But in reality, while it is difficult to get good jobs in law and with an MBA, once you have them you get more marketable with time. For CS it is exactly the opposite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528166) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:27 PM Author: Multi-colored Underhanded Son Of Senegal National Yes and no. Of course there are only so many managerial positions, and there is a preference for younger people for certain kinds of coding jobs, but there are scads of $150kish jobs people can do indefinitely if they stay reasonably fresh, particularly in the more humdrum internal corporate stuff rather than the hot web2.0 machine learning stuff. The problem is that a lot of people think "I've been doing this for 20 years, I should make $250k now" but that cant happen for everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528247) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 3:16 PM Author: bright self-absorbed public bath this
there are TONS of older software dudes at places like microsft, government, cisco, etc. they might not crack 250k but they can pull down a solid 120-140
plus, a lot of it has to do with how much coding has changed in the last ten years. you went from most jobs being oriented from discrete apps/drivers/whatever to a lot of the new hires focusing on websites or mobile apps |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:18 PM Author: submissive theatre lol, they have 1 in-house attorney for every 500 coders at these places and the in-house dude typically has 10 years of biglaw experience. Nobody hire newbies in-house. WTF would they do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528153) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:30 PM Author: adventurous lavender old irish cottage gas station the guy might as well recommend an NBA career.
IT PAYS 100 TIMES! -retard prof |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:24 PM Author: zippy den new mba grads would make 90k-120k in a tech company as their first job. New cs masters only get 45k-60k? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528213) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:28 PM Author: adventurous lavender old irish cottage gas station tard must be stuck in 1994 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528258) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:30 PM Author: submissive theatre New MBA grad has 5-7 years experience from before the MBA. New CS grad has never held a previous job. Makes sense in that light.
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:31 PM Author: adventurous lavender old irish cottage gas station (tard who thinks CS majors make $45K) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528304) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 3:56 PM Author: trip lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20529908) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 12:31 PM Author: Multi-colored Underhanded Son Of Senegal National A few English majors will do better than CSers. A few CSers will be pwned if they are inflexible. English major > CS major does not follow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20528315) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 2:12 PM Author: soul-stirring umber gaping author was trying to add insult to injury w/ the English major claim.
obviously the CS guy either moves into management, gets a MBA, or is unemployed... but likely not working for an English/lib art dude, unless it's an ex military officer |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 3:09 PM Author: Multi-colored Underhanded Son Of Senegal National The funny thing is that Matloff is a very credited CS dude in his aoe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20529591) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 3:57 PM Author: trip lay not true. u can code forever. your salary will just level out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20529914) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 3:58 PM Author: Multi-colored Underhanded Son Of Senegal National retired (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20529919) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 3:50 PM Author: Yellow hell goyim Does "software engineering" have any relationship to traditional engineering, e.g. E.E., or is it a meaningless title? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20529890) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 3:58 PM Author: trip lay some sw engineers come from ee backgrounds - it's pretty common - but the job itself is programming. the idea is that you're not just coding, you're DESIGNING software. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20529920) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 4:06 PM Author: rebellious mediation software engineering is certainly engineering by any definition. The difference is that you're designing virtual structures using data structures and other non tangible elements rather than with circuits, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20529971) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 4:04 PM Author: rebellious mediation I'm not convinced that his primary point is even true at all. Certainly there are many companies (such as Facebook) with a young culture, but many tech companies employ lots of older software engineers.
Besides that, what's so bad about having to move into management after 15-20 years? Isn't that how most jobs are? I don't think most people even want to do the exact same job for 40 years. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 4:10 PM Author: Nighttime Business Firm Recency bias. All the cool, hip companies like Facebook, Zynga, Google, whatever probably have a younger vibe/ environment.
But there are tons of organizations out there that employ software engineers/ programmers that employ older people. It all just depends on the company's culture and what they are looking for.
That being said, I do think there is a certain age bias in the tech industry. And if you are in your mid 30s or older, it doesn't make you unemployable, but you better have some serious experience/ skills behind you. But a lot of professions are like that, I suppose.
What this article should do is shut down the XOXO meme of lawyers jumping ship to be programmers at like age 30. You can't be an entry-level software engineer at age 30 or above and hope to get a decent job. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 10:36 PM Author: bright self-absorbed public bath I think there's bias in the sense you're less likely to be on the cutting edge and younger programmers will always look down on the "dinosaurs" in their early 40s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20532954) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 5:41 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal really tough guy 100% credited article (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20530557) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 10:34 PM Author: aggressive circlehead I was a software engineer at three different companies before jumping ship and going to LS. Article is pretty credited. You do well your first few years out of UG, but then compensation tapers off well before you hit 30. Then management starts looking for excuses to get rid of you - the suits take all the credit when your project is a hit, but then you take all the blame when that same project tanks due to market factors or mis-management. There is still enough demand for software guys these days that you probably won't stay unemployed long once you get canned. But job security at any one position is only worth as much as it takes your boss to bring on a recent grad, or a couple of Indians, who are less likely than you to complain about hours and advancement opportunities.
The engineer-to-management track also isn't as straightforward as the author makes it sound, at least in my experience. Most tech companies (where engineers work for managers, who most likely are not engineers themselves) heavily employ stereotypes where engineers are best suited to straight-up technical work with minimal human interaction. Shit, I didn't even have a telephone at my last job. If you succeed at a coding projects, they aren't going to give you a chance at something higher up - they are just going to hand you more coding projects. You won't have much opportunity to demonstrate skill in anything other than coding, and when it comes time to put someone else in management, they'd rather pull some chump middle manager from Kmart with an MBA than take a chance on the guy who's just been coding like an animal in his office the last few years.
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 10:37 PM Author: bright self-absorbed public bath so why did you go to LS instead of MBA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20532962) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 10:40 PM Author: aggressive circlehead I didn't particularly want to go back and work for another tech company. Ended up doing patent lit at a boutique, and it's working out, although there's no question I dodged a bullet ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20532987) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2012 10:40 PM Author: Cyan Talking Lodge Prole most retarded article i've read in a while (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1931030&forum_id=2#20532989) |