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had a convo with a south african ex-pat

he seemed to know what he was talking about. he was talking ...
Translucent Bawdyhouse Community Account
  07/28/18
i poasted this eight years ago.
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  10/31/26
wow I remember this thread and I have thought about it here...
お尻のほっぺた
  10/31/26
he had just attended a major rugby tournament in the US. we ...
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  10/31/26
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お尻のほっぺた
  10/31/26
The ones who can are getting out. Mauritius is filling up wi...
brindle office
  07/28/18
he claimed that every young (21-35) white who was headed to ...
Translucent Bawdyhouse Community Account
  07/28/18
fucking tragedy yeah I can see that, it’ll hold on for a wh...
brindle office
  07/28/18
I never considered it until last year but the number of coun...
Bateful Spruce Rehab
  07/28/18
in the US it costs $500,000 for green cards for the whole fa...
brindle office
  07/28/18
Should be five million.
Bateful Spruce Rehab
  07/28/18
Or more, if at all Australia bumped it up to about 5 millio...
brindle office
  07/28/18
“ the trappings of a modern society but no one left to manag...
brindle office
  07/28/18
it's held on longer than the ex-pat predicted. but when...
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  10/31/26
Mauritius is pretty rich and developed. Mauritius' HDI valu...
fiercely-loyal brunch famous landscape painting
  05/02/21
According to this, whites aren't exactly fleeing yet http...
razzle newt
  07/28/18
lol who fucking cares
Blathering brethren home
  07/28/18
I know non-white, non-black people in South Africa who are t...
Silver theatre
  07/28/18
seems timely.
Translucent Bawdyhouse Community Account
  08/23/18
How do we use these race realist insights to profit in the m...
autistic rigor
  08/23/18
(fucklaw)
Blathering brethren home
  08/23/18
the SA government makes it nigh impossible for citizens, spe...
yapping location
  08/23/18
How so?
wonderful forum preventive strike
  05/02/21
Capital controls. It is hard for them to get any money out. ...
brindle office
  05/02/21
isn't this literally what crypto is for?
marvelous olive regret
  07/15/21
lol at xo fixating on this
Iridescent stimulating dilemma
  08/23/18
lol at calling the "expats" they are just "mi...
fiercely-loyal brunch famous landscape painting
  05/02/21
South africa had fucking nukes and a space program before th...
adventurous slimy gaping
  05/02/21
xoxo, once again ahead of the curve
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The end of the apartheid alibi RW Johnson | 02 December...
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Date: July 28th, 2018 9:50 AM
Author: Translucent Bawdyhouse Community Account

he seemed to know what he was talking about. he was talking about the energy grid there, the health care, the basic financial infra-structure and all that being barely held together at this point. he was sad but not bitter or paranoid.

if he was right, SA will slide below Venezuela in the next recession. and because, unlike Venezuela, SA will have the factor of racial vengeance-seeking, it will be a flaming genocide as opposed to the daily drip drip genocide it's now undergoing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512393)



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Date: October 31st, 2026 2:19 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


i poasted this eight years ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#50218132)



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Date: October 31st, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: お尻のほっぺた (βœ…πŸ‘)

wow

I remember this thread and I have thought about it here and there over the years, it explained some things and made immense (tragic, sad) sense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#50218138)



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Date: October 31st, 2026 2:24 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


he had just attended a major rugby tournament in the US. we were sitting in first class. what he said was plausible, although he thought it would utterly implode in 4 years. he also added that every single bright person under the age of 30 had left or was working on their exit plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#50218150)



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Date: October 31st, 2026 2:25 PM
Author: お尻のほっぺた (βœ…πŸ‘)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#50218152)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: brindle office

The ones who can are getting out. Mauritius is filling up with S Africans who have enough money for investor residence visas. Fucking Mauritius. Anywhere to get away from the coming catastrophe I guess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512424)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:01 AM
Author: Translucent Bawdyhouse Community Account

he claimed that every young (21-35) white who was headed to the professional path has left or is planning to leave, so SA will have the trappings of a modern society but no one left to manage it or sustain it. he said it's falling apart day by day but in the next few years will crumble entirely over a short period of time like 3 months.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512437)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:07 AM
Author: brindle office

fucking tragedy

yeah I can see that, it’ll hold on for a while but then suddenly explode and implode at the same time

I was talking to an Australian friend from Perth just the other day and that city is full of South African accents

there are medium sized towns in NZ that emptied out a bit as industries left but that are now quickly getting repopulated by S Africans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512460)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:23 AM
Author: Bateful Spruce Rehab

I never considered it until last year but the number of countries that offer investor based residency or citizenship is insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512544)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:25 AM
Author: brindle office

in the US it costs $500,000 for green cards for the whole family — and that’s money invested with a return

look up EB-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512555)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:26 AM
Author: Bateful Spruce Rehab

Should be five million.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512563)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:31 AM
Author: brindle office

Or more, if at all

Australia bumped it up to about 5 million or thereabouts I think

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512582)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:12 AM
Author: brindle office

“ the trappings of a modern society but no one left to manage it or sustain it”

exactly that’s what happened in a lot of other African former colonies too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512493)



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Date: October 31st, 2026 2:36 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


it's held on longer than the ex-pat predicted. but when the water system in a major city dies, it's catastrophic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#50218180)



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Date: May 2nd, 2021 1:16 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal brunch famous landscape painting

Mauritius is pretty rich and developed. Mauritius' HDI value for 2019 is 0.804— which put the country in the very high human development category—positioning it at 66 out of 189 countries and territories. Between 1990 and 2019, Mauritius' HDI value increased from 0.624 to 0.804, an increase of 28.8 percent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42385605)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:16 AM
Author: razzle newt

According to this, whites aren't exactly fleeing yet

https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/260219/south-africas-white-population-is-still-shrinking/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512513)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:31 AM
Author: Blathering brethren home

lol who fucking cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512581)



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Date: July 28th, 2018 10:45 AM
Author: Silver theatre

I know non-white, non-black people in South Africa who are trying to leave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36512643)



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Date: August 23rd, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: Translucent Bawdyhouse Community Account

seems timely.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36670340)



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Date: August 23rd, 2018 10:54 AM
Author: autistic rigor

How do we use these race realist insights to profit in the market?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36670354)



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Date: August 23rd, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: Blathering brethren home

(fucklaw)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36670459)



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Date: August 23rd, 2018 10:55 AM
Author: yapping location

the SA government makes it nigh impossible for citizens, specifically whites, to leave the country. It's literally a dindu thunderdome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36670367)



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Date: May 2nd, 2021 1:13 AM
Author: wonderful forum preventive strike

How so?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42385590)



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Date: May 2nd, 2021 1:58 AM
Author: brindle office

Capital controls. It is hard for them to get any money out. And the value of the money they can get out (if they are allowed to) is severely decreased by their collapsing exchange rate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42385760)



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Date: July 15th, 2021 3:32 AM
Author: marvelous olive regret

isn't this literally what crypto is for?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42785289)



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Date: August 23rd, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Iridescent stimulating dilemma

lol at xo fixating on this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#36670446)



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Date: May 2nd, 2021 1:18 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal brunch famous landscape painting

lol at calling the "expats" they are just "migrant workers"

there are TONS of birdshit SA fukers all over SE Asia "teaching" english

they go to vietnam and literally make more money per hour than in SA and dont have to worry abt darnell and his boys

how dumb as furk must their ancestors have been going to settle in SA thinking it wld turn out good being arnd a bunch of mountain gorillas?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42385611)



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Date: May 2nd, 2021 1:20 AM
Author: adventurous slimy gaping

South africa had fucking nukes and a space program before the end of apartheid. Thank God they didn't leave the nukes to the nigger terrorist s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42385618)



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Date: July 12th, 2021 9:34 PM
Author: metal histrionic lettuce site

xoxo, once again ahead of the curve

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42771943)



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Date: July 14th, 2021 6:39 PM
Author: Garnet irradiated kitchen immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42783413)



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Date: July 15th, 2021 2:44 AM
Author: Ebony fighting scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42785250)



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Date: July 14th, 2021 6:31 PM
Author: Beady-eyed private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42783380)



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Date: July 14th, 2021 6:39 PM
Author: Garnet irradiated kitchen immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42783414)



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Date: July 15th, 2021 2:43 AM
Author: Chrome field death wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42785245)



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Date: July 15th, 2021 3:48 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal brunch famous landscape painting

https://twitter.com/pine_tree_riots/status/1415027054492409856

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#42785295)



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Date: December 5th, 2021 6:33 PM
Author: metal histrionic lettuce site

The end of the apartheid alibi

RW Johnson | 02 December 2021

RW Johnson says the ANC now has no one to blame but itself, and everyone knows it

During the local election campaign Ferial Haffajee wrote about the sad state of her part (and every part) of Johannesburg: litter everywhere, potholes, street lights and traffic lights that don’t work, irregular water, irregular power, uncollected rubbish and all the rest of it. When she recited this lament to the ANC she was angrily accused of “nostalgia for the white city”.

In today’s South Africa it is, of course, politically inadmissible to say that the whites got anything right so instead Ferial recorded sadly how in the years before 1994 there had been lots of bold talk by the UDF about how much better in every respect things would be in the new, liberated South Africa. The developmental state. People’s education. Reconstruction and development. The comrades gave such inspiring speeches about these matters.

Ferial is a nice woman but her perspectives are so encased in a sort of terminal political correctness that she can’t call a spade a spade. But imagine the angry black voters of Soweto or Ekurhuleni who booed Ramaphosa, or the Indian voters of Chatsworth, or the Coloured voters of the Cape Flats: if you accused them of “nostalgia for the white city” you’d be told “Absolutely. You bet. So’s everybody.”

It is indeed a no-brainer. Cheap, plentiful and reliable electricity. Sewage and water systems that work properly. Street lights and traffic lights ditto. Decent roads, litter that gets collected, law and order: what’s not to like?

The point is this. Whenever anyone tries to hold the ANC responsible for anything its first instinct is to find a way of blaming apartheid. But in the local election campaign this was impossible. They’ve been in power for 27 years so if people don’t like the mess they’ve made of their towns and, indeed, of their country, there’s no one else to blame. So the best the ANC can do is try to invalidate their complaint by the accusation of “nostalgia for the white city”. Quite obviously it didn’t work and won’t work.

Moreover, it carries the suggestion that the broken state of the towns and cities is what you ought to expect in an African-run country, that things not working is somehow more authentic. This is a very dangerous notion: “Vote for us! We expect to fail, and we will! We stand for backwardness, for candles not electricity.” This leads nowhere.

The larger fact is this: what is shaping up in most people’s minds – blacks, whites, whatever – is that ANC rule has been a colossal failure in every respect, a catastrophe which has hit the country like a hurricane.

More poverty, more unemployment, more corruption, more inequality, trains and ports that don’t work, no law and order, real incomes falling. Not “a better life for all” but a worse life for all. The recent local elections were a watershed for they showed that this narrative is now being embraced by black voters as well as by the minorities.

Apartheid was brought down by international pressure, by the insistent resistance of the black majority and by a large number of anti-apartheid activists drawn from the minorities. As the fact and scale of the ANC’s failure becomes universally apparent, they will react differently.

Least involved, of course, is international opinion. Mainly, it lost interest in South Africa soon after 1994: the apartheid problem had been solved. As South Africa dwindled in economic and political importance, interest flagged further.

Initially there was a willingness to believe ANC propaganda about any problems being due to white racism but sympathy faded quickly as the level of ANC corruption became clear. Ultimately there was a shrugging acceptance that South Africa had merely become like the rest of Africa, corrupt and misgoverned – and there was nothing to be done about that. So, just move on.

Within South Africa many members of the minorities were caught up initially in the euphoria surrounding Mandela and the rainbow nation. This faded as Mbeki’s support for Mugabe and his Aids denialism became clear and then died completely after Zuma became President. There were still a small number of fellow-travellers wanting desperately to believe in Ramaphosa’s “New Dawn” but the actual experience of Ramaphosa’s regime has thinned their ranks almost to zero.

Sadly, the experience of ANC government has rekindled a primary racism among many, so they attribute the ANC’s failures to what they depict as innate African inferiority. Others loudly proclaim themselves to be disillusioned and vocally regret having voted YES in De Klerk’s referendum.

Despite that, however, there is no nostalgia for apartheid and nobody among the minorities argues for its restoration. There is a general acceptance that democracy is irreversible. Even if the Freedom Front Plus somehow came to power it seems unlikely that they would want to restore any elements of the apartheid system.

This is important because as the ANC declines it relies ever more frantically on the allegation that if whites are allowed back to power they will abolish social grants and restore apartheid. If this is not believed then the door is open for African voters either to choose a white-led administration or, by their abstention, allow one to come to power.

In this election we saw the overwhelmingly Zulu electorate of Umgeni, in KwaZulu-Natal, elect an administration headed by a young white mayor. And, of course, something similar has been happening in the Western Cape for some time. In this election a Cape Town electorate which is overwhelmingly African and Coloured chose a young white man as mayor. For the ANC this is a nightmare come true, with Black and Coloured people electing a white simply because they think he will govern better – and the ANC plummeting to under 19%.

Finally, there is the impact of the ANC’s catastrophic failure on Africans. This is truly sad, for there is no doubt that it has reinforced feelings of impotence and inferiority, the very opposite of what everyone hoped for after 1994.

It was not surprising that the effect of colonial conquest and the easy superiority of whites in white-ruled South Africa should have left many Africans with a diminished self-confidence and a low sense of their own worth. But the hope was that with all legal barriers removed and access to good education, a new sense of egalitarian self-confidence would be born, particularly in the younger generation.

This has not happened for no one has paid a higher price for the failure of ANC governance than young black South Africans. Far from improving, as one would have hoped, the state education on offer to them has declined in standard. If they get through Matric they often then find themselves way out of their depth on overcrowded university campuses, where standards have fallen too. The failure rates are horrendous, encouraging the sense that black students are inferior, always clustered at the bottom of the class.

Finally, young blacks face a horrendous labour market and the probability of long-term unemployment. Many of them get caught in pointless symbolic politics – arguing about statues, for heaven’s sake, or accepting that the only way ahead lies through racial populism. These are really dead-ends.

The ANC has taught young black South Africans that African government doesn’t work, that their politicians are crooks and that it’s not worth voting. The exact opposite of Mandela’s dream.

Moreover, the party was handed on a plate the richest country in Africa with the best infrastructure, the richest mining industry and the most productive agriculture. Within a generation it was an almost bankrupt country in which very little worked. What to say after that?

R.W. Johnson

This article first appeared in Rapport newspaper.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#43564156)



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Date: October 31st, 2026 2:23 PM
Author: お尻のほっぺた (βœ…πŸ‘)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4036921&forum_id=2#50218144)