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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:19 AM Author: zippy stag film So many engineers just killing it in lower col areas. 400k for a private wooded mansion. Boats, jet skis, the works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196132) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:19 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone haunted graveyard station Too bad lawyers get paid like shit in little cities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196135) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:20 AM Author: Olive titillating goal in life stage NOT true unless you are an associate (most arent).
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:21 AM Author: zippy stag film How can a young lawyer build a practice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196143) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:24 AM Author: Olive titillating goal in life stage find 1-2 potential clients, get the business, work from there. i started literally as a doc review monkey followed by a paralegal followed by running my own firm.
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:40 PM Author: zippy stag film Wtf kind of work can you even do this with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196504) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:42 PM Author: Olive titillating goal in life stage corp, lit, some office stuff (ip and suchlike). could have expanded into RE/wills&estates etc but have too much work already.
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:43 PM Author: zippy stag film *Is newb lawyer*
*convinces businesses to give him corp work* |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:46 PM Author: Olive titillating goal in life stage yup. thats basically what i did. small businesses will give you work if you convince the boss you can handle it (and youre cheap which helps).
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:52 PM Author: zippy stag film Any tips? Did you get office space right away? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196559) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:58 PM Author: Olive titillating goal in life stage first learn to do stuff and meet people (my paralegal stint got me both of those). if you already know how to do stuff its good. find a good niche -- this will usually drop on your head anyway, but a good place to start is 1-2 businesses you can hit up for money. find stuff they want to do usually at tax time. or better yet friend the local tax guys who need incorporation, minutes etc done. that gives you a few thousand which will cover your malp/incorp costs. if you dont know any good businesses start with crim court, dui, speeding etc -- hang out there and see if you can find deadbeats who need defending for a few hundred and they have cash on them. defend em and try to win. this will also cover your malp/incorp costs. if that doent work either hit up the local RE scene and see if you can help with notarizing documents and move up to closing RE deals. this is easy grunt work. once you incorp/have malp ins get a UPS store mailbox. This is your office address. find a local place which rents meeting rooms by the hour. this is your office meeting place/boardroom. get a good phone with data plan. this is your computer+email+scheduler. now keep working at the niche you found and you have a practice. its simple. FYI nearly 3 years later i still havent rented an office. my "official office" is a woodshed converted to office space with desk and chair in the back garden. and my firm did over $500K last yr.
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:08 PM Author: zippy stag film That's impressive. Do you have employees? Are you in a big market? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196644) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:10 PM Author: Olive titillating goal in life stage im in ARE COUNTRY so no big market. i have 1-2 associates i hire on a part time basis under contract if there is too much overflow but i do that very rarely. they know the drill (they have to have their own office space, computer, phone etc) so it works out ok.
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:29 PM Author: zippy stag film What do you mean by notarizing documents for RE deals? Like literally being the notary? What about abstractor work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196767) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:36 PM Author: Olive titillating goal in life stage yeah literally notarizing for $20/document. and doing all the other shit like title abstracts, due diligence, looking over the finance etc. basically the grunt work which RE agents and lawyers prefer not to do anyway. for an RE deal its a few hundred bux + $1000-2000 at closing. most lawyers only do the closing if that but the few hundred adds a chunk of time socializing with both the clients - RE guy + the buyer (which can lead to much more work in the future). buyers recommend lawyers and have their own businesses/corps etc. RE guys have favorite lawyers to work with - and have no issue pushing business your way if they know you. most of em dont deal with lawyers anyway.
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Date: May 14th, 2013 5:36 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone haunted graveyard station It's 100% true.
I've hired lawyers in little shit cities. |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:21 AM Author: zippy stag film Egg-fucking-zactly.
I have to maneuver out of law somehow, but how |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:28 AM Author: Irradiated bonkers volcanic crater Engineering is better, but true low cost areas suck. A bro I know from UG makes like 150k in bumfuck, egypt working at some factory. For the area, he might as well be making 2 million a year.
But he's lonely as shit because the women there are trailer trash.
Better off living in a moderate COL city in the midwest. |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:33 AM Author: zippy stag film Who cares, just get an awesome wife and the women there don't matter.
But yeah I didn't mean bumfuck anyway. There are tons of nice smaller cities where the COL is basically the same as bumfuckville if you just live 20+ minutes out. |
Date: May 14th, 2013 11:22 AM Author: vivacious confused yarmulke incel yea nothing like having to bust your ass in ug full of classes with dorks and uglies to get a job where you to bust your ass alongside super-studys and turdskins to make $60K so that maybe, just maybe, in your 40s you can become a manager and break $150K. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196151) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:28 AM Author: Shivering spectacular wrinkle international law enforcement agency engineers i know do way better than this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196174) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:28 AM Author: vivacious confused yarmulke incel they have easy majors, hot white chick co-workers, and start out making $150K+? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196180) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:52 PM Author: big-titted office patrolman "easy majors" ???? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196562) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 10:43 AM Author: contagious costumed base chad CS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23216237) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:41 PM Author: razzmatazz location first of all, no major is truely hard
even the hard majors are a fraction of the work that any office job requires
you now have to devote 30 hours a week to school instead of 17
well worth the the job security you gain
unless you have a paticular vision that you want to accomplish with the next 30 years of your life, engineering is obviously the right choice |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 11:41 AM Author: marvelous hell hominid petroleum engineering at university of north dakota is like $7k/yr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196231) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:38 PM Author: razzmatazz location http://und.edu/finance-operations/student-account-services/tuition-rates.cfm
shit not bad, even paying out of state |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:03 PM Author: Charismatic Brethren Jew C/O 2012 Berkeley UG Engineering Outcomes
% Employed, Avg. Salary
https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Bioengr.stm 14/117, $52,823
https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/CivilEngr.stm 7/112, $68,781
https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/EECS.stm 101/308, $83,139
https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/EngrSci.stm 5/33, ???
https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/IEOR.stm 17/59, $66,619
https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/MatSci.stm 4/32, ???
https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/MechEngr.stm 30/190, $64,487
https://career.berkeley.edu/Major/NucEngr.stm ???, ??? |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:24 PM Author: zippy stag film What is this supposed to show? 70-80k out of ugrad sounds great. Then quickly going up to 150k+ in 5 years and having excellent job security. (Instead of earning nothing and going into debt for law school).
Of course I would have been doing this years ago, not in 2012. |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:27 PM Author: Charismatic Brethren Jew You missed the part where only 10 to 30 percent of engineering graduates get jobs at all--from another perspective, that 70 to 90 percent of engineering graduates are unable to secure employment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196756) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:45 PM Author: zippy stag film Uh, no, I just followed one of your links and there is a less than 50% response rate. Of those that responded only 12% were looking for work, the rest are grad school or employed. I'll buy that the non-responders are slightly skewed worse, but only slightly.
Anyway, it seems like you just have to get your foot in the door and once you start accumulating engineering experience, it's very unlikely that you will ever be unable to find a decent gig and there is a respectable amount of upward mobility too. |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:01 PM Author: contagious costumed base chad how can you be this stupid? how much do you think recent college grads are making? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196600) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:26 PM Author: Charismatic Brethren Jew So you prefer to undergo four years' vocational training to have a 10 to 30 percent chance of securing ~$60,000 employment?
I mean, to a well-rounded liberal arts education that includes coursework in Humanities, Social Sciences, and the Natural Sciences (e.g., Greek Drama, Game Theory, Organic Chemistry). |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:48 PM Author: razzmatazz location somebody's not reading their own links
thats the percent that responded to the survey |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 1:46 PM Author: Umber Swashbuckling Genital Piercing me too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23196844) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 5:05 PM Author: Curious Rehab you don't like math or science and it would have been like eating shit for 40 hours a week to get through your degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23198205) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 5:09 PM Author: impressive abnormal forum death wish To be fair, as much as we shit on law, there's no way I'd be making 200K if I continued working as an engineer. I would've cleared 100K after 5 years, but hit a ceiling pretty quick afterwards. People saying otherwise here are mostly talking about the 1% who work for Google or are flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23198232) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 5:32 PM Author: Cerebral Roommate Queen Of The Night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255716&forum_id=2#23198438) |
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Date: May 17th, 2013 10:40 AM Author: Adventurous tantric meetinghouse You realize that 99% of engineers hate their job and complain about making much less than they should (given their highly technical expertise) and that they have to answer to managers who know far less than them and treat them like crap.
Yeah, there are some outliers. But there are outliers in law too. There's no reason to think you'd have been one of the lucky few engineers who's genuinely happy when you're clearly not one of the lucky few lawyers who's genuinely happy.
Harsh reality: most jobs suck. |