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serious Q: will YALE actually change its name due to public pressure?

or even seriously consider it? how much of a blind eye ca...
seedy floppy base dingle berry
  07/04/20
If this conversation continues the brand association may nec...
Wonderful aggressive theater
  07/04/20
most alumni won't be happy either, i'd assume. even the pro-...
seedy floppy base dingle berry
  07/04/20
I assume they will continue to brush it off as an “alt...
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seedy floppy base dingle berry
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Yale Doesn’t Need to Change Its Name The name of th...
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Glad that's debunked then
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Jet-lagged Mood
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Whole argument is based off a false premise: "No on...
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libs?
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looks like elon musk with a jewfro
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performative vs. actually gonna knock Yale down to Brown sta...
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"dealt in slaves" makes it sound like Elihu just s...
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He just had a lot of business dealings, complicated stuff, w...
frum pea-brained church building
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No way. Prestige would plummet among the masses with loss of...
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not really it'll just be the Caltech of humanities for like...
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Needs to be renamed George Floyd University
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The University Formerly Known as Yale
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Yale already tried to cave on this crap by making one of its...
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Within fifteen years, yes.
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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:03 AM
Author: seedy floppy base dingle berry

or even seriously consider it?

how much of a blind eye can activists turn when it comes to "Yale"?

are the head honchos at yale just hoping to weather this storm in hopes it passes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40545077)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:12 AM
Author: Wonderful aggressive theater

If this conversation continues the brand association may necessitate a name change. Donors not going to be happy though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40545093)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:14 AM
Author: seedy floppy base dingle berry

most alumni won't be happy either, i'd assume. even the pro-BLM ones. identifying as a radical, structure-shaking activist won't wash away one's desire to hold one of the most PRESTIGIOUS pieces of paper in the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40545096)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:18 AM
Author: flickering flushed pit prole

I assume they will continue to brush it off as an “alt right” talking point and no critical mass of woke leftists calling for the change will emerge as to them Yale/Harvard is a sort of a mecca

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40545099)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:19 AM
Author: seedy floppy base dingle berry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40545100)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:22 PM
Author: irradiated lake nursing home

Yale Doesn’t Need to Change Its Name

The name of the university has long been divorced in meaning from the life of Elihu Yale, who dealt in enslaved people.

JULY 1, 2020

Graeme Wood

Staff writer at The Atlantic

Last week, the conservative troll Ann Coulter needled leftists by asking whether Yale would change its name to distance itself from Elihu Yale (1649–1721), who got rich plundering India and dealt in slaves before giving books to a cash-strapped university in Connecticut. Coulter is not just a troll; she is a Founding Mother of American trolldom. She is one of the modern inventors of saying things with no motive other than to rile and sow discord among one’s enemies. This particular golden apple of strife has landed to great effect. Conservatives have picked up on the #CancelYale hashtag and found allies among certain lefties excited about the renaming possibilities. Yale has not announced plans for any change, but last week’s decision by Princeton to strip the name of its former president Woodrow Wilson from its school of public affairs has put Yale under even more scrutiny.

I teach part-time at Yale, so if the university were not totally empty because of the pandemic, I might be able to hear the burbling of student opinion on these issues directly. (My position is not particularly exalted. I don’t speak for Yale and have no part in its decisions.) Instead, I am stuck listening to the chorus of trolls and imps who are driving this debate online, and occasionally fooling normal people into taking positions on their terms. We have a moral duty to avoid confected controversies such as these.

The evidence that this controversy is confected is overwhelming: Yale’s students and administrators have spent a lot of energy considering Elihu’s legacy, and have even sequestered two of his portraits in a closet of shame, while displaying a third, with curatorial stress on the enslaved Black child next to him, in the Yale Center for British Art. But almost no one seems to have thought reckoning with Elihu’s crimes meant changing the name of the university, which has long been divorced in meaning from the life of Elihu Yale. No one was venerating him; no one was trying to live up to his ideals. The name Yale does not belong to Elihu, but to the university, with its faults and virtues, not his.

The same cannot be said for Woodrow Wilson, Robert E. Lee, or John C. Calhoun, whose name was removed from a Yale dormitory in 2017. Wilson was not a casual bigot. He did a great deal to keep Black people down, and unless you are a Princeton alumnus, his name means more as a politician’s than as a school’s. He should be judged (harshly) as a politician. Lee is known for being a traitor—an even easier case. Calhoun, I think, was more complicated. He was a Yale graduate and a United States senator, a secretary of war and of state, and a vice president, and he is one of very few American political theorists of the 19th century whose work repays reading today. He was also a raging racist who worked tirelessly to ensure and prolong the enslavement of millions of Black Americans. Given that he is known now mostly for the last of these distinctions, the balance does not favor him, and Yale has renamed Calhoun College accordingly, after the computer scientist and the Navy admiral Grace Murray Hopper.

But this conversation is a distraction—not because the legacy of injustice at institutions such as Yale and the U.S. government isn’t worth discussing, but because it is worth discussing, and #CancelYale is a way to prevent that discussion by replacing it with a much stupider one that will, by proximity, discredit the one that should occur. For years, Yale’s critics have demanded that it respect and live in harmony with the city of New Haven, which is majority-minority. The university has tried to make students, staff, and faculty from underrepresented backgrounds feel like they are full members of its community. Changing the university’s name would not advance these goals at all.

Some other goals would be served splendidly. You can set your watch by the timing of these diversion campaigns: When President Donald Trump gets caught doing something inexcusable, such as tweeting a video of his supporter shouting “White power!” from behind the wheel of a golf cart, he will find an adjacent controversy to magnify, in hopes that it will distract from his own. Nitwits will always be ready to assist by pushing the controversy well beyond its defensible limits: ripping down or defacing statues of, say, Abraham Lincoln or Ulysses S. Grant or Miguel de Cervantes, and claiming the mantle of those who supported the orderly removal of authentic villains such as Lee.

Confected discord could overwhelm us and become real. What if this greater knowledge of Elihu Yale’s sordid past becomes widespread (and I hope it does) to the extent that it overshadows the reputation of Yale the institution, and when we hear Yale we think not of a university but of a colonial chieftain administering the slave trade in Madras? (I hope it does not.) In that case, the name of Yale might indeed require revision.

But in that case, the name of the university is the least of our problems. Far more serious would be our apparent helplessness when confronted with manipulators, who can, with little more than a tweet, commandeer our minds and dictate what we think about our history and our present. Many of those eager to change the name of Yale would scoff at the idea that Coulter controls their minds. But the evidence may ultimately prove that she does. In ancient Greece, the goddess of strife, Eris, was a minor figure, capable of starting trouble but rarely pivotal in deciding how it ended. She is possibly the most puissant goddess of our time. It is not too late to resist her.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/troll-campaign-rename-yale/613684/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40546923)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:40 PM
Author: frum pea-brained church building

Glad that's debunked then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40546981)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:41 PM
Author: Massive insane rehab alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40546984)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:46 PM
Author: flickering flushed pit prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547006)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:52 PM
Author: Glittery cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547032)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:18 PM
Author: buff ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547108)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 7:34 PM
Author: seedy floppy base dingle berry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547779)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 9:27 PM
Author: hideous dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40548157)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 10:50 PM
Author: soggy mind-boggling hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40548478)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:45 PM
Author: fragrant indigo windowlicker foreskin

“Far more serious would be our apparent helplessness when confronted with manipulators, who can, with little more than a tweet, commandeer our minds and dictate what we think about our history and our present.”

unbelievable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547005)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 10:44 PM
Author: Jet-lagged Mood



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40548454)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:46 PM
Author: Wonderful aggressive theater

Whole argument is based off a false premise:

"No one was venerating him; no one was trying to live up to his ideals. The name Yale does not belong to Elihu, but to the university, with its faults and virtues, not his."

Is naming a university after someone who donated to the institution not venerating them? "The name does not belong to Elihu." Then why was the institution named in his honor?

Let's suppose that for a second there was a university named after Hitler, "Hitler College". This university is properly funded, receives widespread renown in many fields, produces exemplary scholarship, etc. By virtue of the institution accomplishing other things unrelated to the legacy of the namesake, does that thereby mean that the legacy of the namesake is removed from the institution? Of course not.

I think this issue, or rather the general trend of highlighting hypocrisy on the left as it relates to cancel culture, has truly confounded libs, who are left to try and obfuscate and misdirect to defend their sacred cows.

Absolutely hilarious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547008)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:09 PM
Author: alcoholic legal warrant people who are hurt

She has a valid point, but she is trying to make it more sophisticated than it is. More simply put, "The name Yale is fine because no one knows who the fuck Elihu Yale is."

That's a fair point, but it ignores that Elihu is going to get more and more attention in this climate. So assuming this keeps progressing, everyone is going to know that Yale is named after known slavetrader Elihu Yale, and at that point, the name has to go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547087)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:21 PM
Author: cerebral police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547119)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:16 PM
Author: Big station

Of course this argument could be applied to any name change controversy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547105)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:18 PM
Author: buff ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547109)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 9:28 PM
Author: hideous dog poop

libs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40548165)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:24 PM
Author: Talking indian lodge sandwich

Can’t tell if this guy is Jewish or not but he’s definitely a faggot

https://i1.wp.com/allstarbio.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Graeme-Wood.jpg?fit=779%2C428&ssl=1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547136)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:28 PM
Author: cerebral police squad

looks like elon musk with a jewfro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547153)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:28 PM
Author: Well-lubricated national karate

But we still need to stop saying "master bedroom," which no one has ever associated with slavery.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547149)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:30 PM
Author: Aromatic Stock Car

performative vs. actually gonna knock Yale down to Brown status for at least 40 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547158)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 9:24 PM
Author: Domesticated laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40548142)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:23 PM
Author: learning disabled sanctuary degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40546925)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:51 PM
Author: Smoky hairless internal respiration

"dealt in slaves" makes it sound like Elihu just sold a little pot from his dorm room

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547025)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 9:22 PM
Author: frum pea-brained church building

He just had a lot of business dealings, complicated stuff, wheeling and dealing, import/export, you know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40548138)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 3:52 PM
Author: duck-like grizzly hunting ground

No way. Prestige would plummet among the masses with loss of name recognition which would eventually trickle up into loss of prestige among the elite.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547030)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:22 PM
Author: Aromatic Stock Car

not really

it'll just be the Caltech of humanities for like half a generation until it's back to Yale status

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547125)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:04 PM
Author: snowy metal dopamine market

no, would never happen, even though the logic that compelled schools to strip historical names is airtight when applied to yale.

yale would lose its identity and brand. arguably, its brand should be that of the racist, colonialist school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547063)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:21 PM
Author: flickering flushed pit prole

Needs to be renamed George Floyd University

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547120)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 10:50 PM
Author: Aquamarine trailer park idea he suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40548475)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:22 PM
Author: Bronze Razzle Hissy Fit Stage

The University Formerly Known as Yale

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547126)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 5:07 PM
Author: snowy metal dopamine market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547270)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 4:25 PM
Author: Slate passionate institution old irish cottage

Yale already tried to cave on this crap by making one of its new residential colleges after the first black woman Yale student who took a math class or some shit.

This is never going away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547143)



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Date: July 4th, 2020 5:08 PM
Author: talented stage voyeur

Within fifteen years, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40547274)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 8:42 PM
Author: Aquamarine trailer park idea he suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4576343&forum_id=2#40583592)