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What is your best guess about what consciousness is?
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Date: July 12th, 2024 1:23 PM Author: Bearded twinkling corner idea he suggested What do you think is going on there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834591) |
Date: July 12th, 2024 1:24 PM Author: lascivious dark filthpig milk you can't handle the truth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834597) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:01 PM Author: Bearded twinkling corner idea he suggested probably not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834683) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:07 PM Author: lascivious dark filthpig milk i read like a dozen books about 'consciousness' in college, the David Chalmers one, the Daniel Dennett one, and a bunch of others. none of the arguments really stood out as particularly more compelling than the others. basic takeway is, who knows. might not even be real, might be Godhead, might be a 'supervenient' property of the universe, nobody knows.
we'll all find out 5 minutes after brain death whether it's anything important. |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:29 PM Author: ebony twisted bawdyhouse Or not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834773) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 4:22 PM Author: beady-eyed white church building Read up on near death experiences Yours in Christ |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 7:36 PM Author: Flickering Naked Chapel expound (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835682) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:02 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour the metaproblem of consciousness is the problem of why we think consciousness is a problem (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834685) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:31 PM Author: hot lay party of the first part I don't believe in consciousness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834782) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:32 PM Author: abusive home an overdevelopment of natural mental processing that allows it to deal with more information than it can handle through abstraction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834784) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:32 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour lol this solves nothing and assumes without justification a physicalist ontology (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834785) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:33 PM Author: abusive home it ignores such problems by noting that chimps don't appear to have them, you are just a chimp that ate from the tree of knowledge and are now doomed to suffer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834791) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:34 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour you might need to get treatment for schizophrenia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834797) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:35 PM Author: abusive home you might need to turn 22 and get over this shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834805) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:35 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour my response is the only correct response in this thread because i am wise and mature in my thinking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834809) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:47 PM Author: abusive home we think consciousness is a problem because it is, it is the root of suffering, we are fundamentally in agreement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834852) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:47 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour youre trading on an ambiguous definition of problem (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834857) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:49 PM Author: abusive home the very concept of "problem" is the product of the consciousness that considers itself a problem, it's a snake eating its tail, you will not get down to the bottom (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834870) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:49 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour like i said, the problem of consciousness is why we think consciousness is a problem (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834872) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:50 PM Author: abusive home I am agreeing with you moron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834875) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:52 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour consciousness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834881) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:51 PM Author: Chartreuse Ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834880) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 7:04 PM Author: sable charismatic jewess Ur response may or may not be correct, but it is certainly not credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835618) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:34 PM Author: ebony twisted bawdyhouse * W justification (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834796) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:33 PM Author: Beta appetizing fat ankles Kierkegaard has provided me with the most rational explanation of consciousness from an epistemological and not necessarily ontological perspective:
"The self is a relation which relates itself to its own self, or it is that in the relation that the relation relates itself to its own self; the self is not the relation but that the relation relates itself to its own self." |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:33 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour that does not address consciousness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834793) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:37 PM Author: Beta appetizing fat ankles I thought that perhaps a self conscious of itself is a fractal isomorphism of awareness as levels of cognition that are stratified and distributed along an energy wave spectrum of sorts, or idk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834814) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:37 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour presupposes an idealism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834815) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 4:27 PM Author: beady-eyed white church building Agreed. This addresses reconciling Angelism and beastialism, the Greek and the Christian, maybe monism and dualism Yours in Christ |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 5:45 PM Author: zombie-like brunch boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835410) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:33 PM Author: cobalt trip garrison cumskin Spaceporn already solved this. Proprioception. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834790) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:34 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834798) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:40 PM Author: ebony twisted bawdyhouse That's only one component. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834824) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:34 PM Author: slippery old irish cottage That it’s nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834801) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:48 PM Author: hairraiser brethren property I think, therefore I am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834865) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:53 PM Author: cobalt trip garrison cumskin 5 foot 3 with an attitude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834888) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:53 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834890) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:56 PM Author: Chartreuse Ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834903) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:56 PM Author: slippery old irish cottage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834905) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:57 PM Author: Chartreuse Ratface 1800000 moniker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834909) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 7:01 PM Author: abnormal native deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835607) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:56 PM Author: Chartreuse Ratface It's funny how consistently you can look at a thread title and know what will be inside -- Ricky threads, disco fries threads, exercise threads (I will be in the thread telling poasters what to do with their lives), philosophy threads (MiG will be inside engaging in abstractions of abstractions, spaceporn will be providing 110 IQ college sophomore takes).
This place never changes. |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:57 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834908) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 2:59 PM Author: Mind-boggling place of business Conflict resolution protocol for discordant results from various specialized subsystems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834914) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 3:00 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour presto chango! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834919) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 5:14 PM Author: ebony twisted bawdyhouse This is merely an emergent *function* of consciousness after it has formed which is not what OP was getting at. A good point though. And that’s definitely one thing that consciousness, that great hallucination maker does. Consciousness, at least human consciousness, really works against clear thinking sometimes and obscures answers, leaves us in the tarpit of human subjectivity when the answer to certain problems we really need to answer may require us first to try to think like AI, or aliens, or lions!
As an aside, this is one reason art is so important. While art may or may not teach us to think like aliens or AI or lions(!) it may at a minimum teach a certain plasticity or expansion of awareness, at least for a little while. Like squats for our sense of selfhood. |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 3:02 PM Author: razzle police squad It's an advanced form of natural instinct that allows you to question your biological directives. That's not why it developed though, it was developed for tool-making, this was just the byproduct of that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47834925) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 4:34 PM Author: Vigorous Cuck Theatre i have no idea. i don't even comprehend how eyesight is real (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835181) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 4:34 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835183) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 2:16 AM Author: Drunken hospital dog poop not at all obvious.
took a genius like david marr to reconceputalize this question in the 70s |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 4:46 PM Author: bronze 180 organic girlfriend stage Whatever Rust Cohle said (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835242) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 2:17 AM Author: Contagious Business Firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47836400) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 5:49 PM Author: Bearded twinkling corner idea he suggested Op here. Great discussion ITT. This correct answer however is that consciousness is an emergent property of information processing. It doesn’t exist until the brain develops and it ceases to exist when the brain dies. It’s really not any more complicated than that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835416) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 5:49 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour lol no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835419) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 5:50 PM Author: slippery old irish cottage You’re a dumb kike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835422) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 12:59 AM Author: sooty stirring skinny woman church https://gifdb.com/images/high/head-exploding-meme-9bu11pe37foyf0kh.gif (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47836273) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 2:17 PM Author: self-absorbed hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837474) |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 7:00 PM Author: Pungent Passionate Sneaky Criminal Clown I'm going with this
https://cosmotheistchurch.org/the-meaning-of-life/ |
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Date: July 12th, 2024 7:51 PM Author: Excitant love of her life site aliens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47835706) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 2:18 AM Author: Drunken hospital dog poop dualism is just true and god is real and i won't eat the bugs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47836401) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 2:19 AM Author: Contagious Business Firm 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47836404) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 2:25 AM Author: razzmatazz burgundy half-breed friendly grandma The perception that humans have that they are conscious is simply a tool handed to them by evolution to help them deal with threats to their safety.. the feeling that you are a conscious being helps you defend yourself and do things to help your survival so you can pass on your dna. Put another way those who feel that they are conscious being or more successful passing on their DNA and therefore we're selected by nature natural selection to survive so that eventually All humans feel that they are conscious.. feeling that you were conscious helps you survive and pass on your DNA and so therefore it became a common characteristic of human being (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47836423) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 2:15 PM Author: Bearded twinkling corner idea he suggested Yes we understand its purpose the question was more about what is it and how does it work? A related question is can we create it in a lab or interfere with it in such a way as to turn it off but still function. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837469) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 5:36 PM Author: razzmatazz burgundy half-breed friendly grandma It's a function of the brain and we don't have anywhere near the understanding of the brain to even think about doing some of the things you're asking about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837857) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 2:45 PM Author: soul-stirring coldplay fan piazza it’s nbd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837556) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 2:45 PM Author: lemon marketing idea A Jewish conspiracy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837559) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 3:33 PM Author: Translucent ticket booth A mistake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837657) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 4:21 PM Author: ebony twisted bawdyhouse The long and short of it is that it is an emergent property when there is a certain amount of data processing taking place in a system. The data processing should include proprioception, food drive, some kind of memory, and a few other things like sensitivity to pain and avoidance. Sense of “beauty”?
Generally speaking consciousness happens to have qualities that are beneficial to the survival of the creature. It is susceptible to being hijacked by parasites like religion.
Dumbs here won’t like this post because if you don’t say it’s “magical” or “from God” like a medieval cleric they aren’t having any of it. In fact, you can get a data point on a poaster’s iq here if they can’t get past the dualism hallucination which has been put to bed for years and years now by mature thinkers on this point. Hth. |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 4:31 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour Wrong. Nothing to do with God. You don't get a new category of something by having a lot of a different category. Very dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837768) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 4:33 PM Author: ebony twisted bawdyhouse I am vastly closer to truth than this moron above who can’t even read and write properly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837772) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 4:37 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour You're not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837776) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 4:39 PM Author: floppy peach travel guidebook How has dualism been put to bed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837779) |
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Date: July 13th, 2024 4:41 PM Author: deep giraffe parlour Apparently by declaring that one thing is ackshully just a lot of another thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5554237&forum_id=2#47837783) |