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:D, Your Prediction with the Individual Mandate this Month?

What is it?
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
2 say the court can't rule until someone's been affected by ...
hot razzle church
  06/14/12
hahahahaa, you need 5 votes. the Court can't do anything by ...
Dun balding brunch laser beams
  06/14/12
Nice pointer, brother. Basic point that any 1'l would know.
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
I don't think there will be any votes to say they don't have...
Dun balding brunch laser beams
  06/14/12
But don't you think your assuming that the tenor of oral arg...
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
yeah, I am assuming that, and it does. I listen to just abou...
Dun balding brunch laser beams
  06/14/12
Are you predicting Sotomayor will side with Arizona?
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
oh I wasn't really paying attention, they challenged, what, ...
Dun balding brunch laser beams
  06/14/12
how u think Alvarez will come out? Given the Court's strict ...
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
which 3 do you think will want to uphold? I'm not sure RBG w...
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
confirmed retard
Dun balding brunch laser beams
  06/14/12
(low iq-schtick)
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
(literally retarded schtick)
Dun balding brunch laser beams
  06/14/12
then say something substantive faggot
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
you said ginsburg might vote against the mandate. nuff said.
Dun balding brunch laser beams
  06/14/12
impossible that Ginsburg will find against the mandate. 100%...
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
based purely on partisan lines?
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
Based on familiarity with her judicial opinions.
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
i think she has about a year of life left and this is going ...
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
You seem dumb. She wasn't quite. Go back and read the transc...
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
i seem dumb? you're the guy who doesn't even have a grasp on...
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
u r literally retarded brother.
Crusty Talking Meetinghouse
  08/04/12
...
hot razzle church
  06/14/12
Any chance it might be upheld?
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
Sure, if Kennedy is intellectually fraudulent.
hot razzle church
  06/14/12
How? Comstock bro
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
M F E
beta newt place of business
  06/14/12
Obamacare=niggershit
deep exhilarant heaven
  06/14/12
(Mad as Fuck reptile)
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
you realize obamacare is just a wealth transfer to boomers (...
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
Explain or link for elaboration
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
It was devised as a plan to alleviate pressure on Medicare o...
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
This
Cobalt address
  06/14/12
How will we be subsidizing the olds exactly? I don't see it....
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
With discriminatory pricing, you can charge premiums at diff...
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
Thanks. Can you explain insurance exchanges and the fuss abo...
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
i haven't read too much on it but it seems like a backdoor f...
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
...
jet-lagged bawdyhouse
  06/14/12
50/50 -- they either strike it down or they don't.
vermilion hyperactive cruise ship community account
  06/14/12
source?
Cracking Resort Clown
  06/14/12
...
Rambunctious greedy national incel
  12/23/12


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Date: June 14th, 2012 5:26 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

What is it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20887917)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 5:28 PM
Author: hot razzle church

2 say the court can't rule until someone's been affected by it

3 say it's legal

4 say it's illegal

Stuck down 4-3-2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20887936)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:49 PM
Author: Dun balding brunch laser beams

hahahahaa, you need 5 votes. the Court can't do anything by plurality. guess they don't teach you that in your basement

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888369)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:54 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

Nice pointer, brother. Basic point that any 1'l would know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888409)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:04 PM
Author: Dun balding brunch laser beams

I don't think there will be any votes to say they don't have jurisdiction. back in march, I was really pissed off at barnett/fed soc faggots, so I was all like, "oh kennedy asked your side some tough questions too," but I listened to the argument again and it did sound like there's about a 70/30 chance they'll invalidate, 5-4.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888484)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:35 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

But don't you think your assuming that the tenor of oral arguments actually has some relationship to the actual decision-making of the Justices?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888737)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:36 PM
Author: Dun balding brunch laser beams

yeah, I am assuming that, and it does. I listen to just about every oral argument, and occasionally I'm surprised by a vote or two when opinions come out, but not too often. Scalia's vote in Elgin this week was a bit surprising

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888749)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:43 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

Are you predicting Sotomayor will side with Arizona?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888802)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:46 PM
Author: Dun balding brunch laser beams

oh I wasn't really paying attention, they challenged, what, 3 sections and some seemed safer than others. on the one most of the argument was about, it almost seemed like there was unanimity. verrilli was just getting ripped apart, and scalia was so hostile and, as julia would say, sardonic that verrilli just started ignoring him. anyway I'm way more interested in Alvarez and First Am. Financial,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888821)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:47 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

how u think Alvarez will come out? Given the Court's strict first amendment adherence, I think he will win and get his conviction reversed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888828)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:14 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

which 3 do you think will want to uphold? I'm not sure RBG will. Kagan certainly will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888553)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:23 PM
Author: Dun balding brunch laser beams

confirmed retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888623)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:24 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

(low iq-schtick)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888637)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:35 PM
Author: Dun balding brunch laser beams

(literally retarded schtick)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888735)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:35 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

then say something substantive faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888745)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:36 PM
Author: Dun balding brunch laser beams

you said ginsburg might vote against the mandate. nuff said.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888753)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:37 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

impossible that Ginsburg will find against the mandate. 100% impossible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888758)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:44 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

based purely on partisan lines?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888806)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:45 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

Based on familiarity with her judicial opinions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888819)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:51 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

i think she has about a year of life left and this is going to be one of her last if not her last seminal decision. Just because she's kept comparatively quiet during oral argument (she was probably asleep) and she's gone along with expanding CC power in the past, doesn't mean it's 100% sure thing this time, like it will be with Kagan and Sotomayer, and probably Breyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888867)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:55 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

You seem dumb. She wasn't quite. Go back and read the transcripts, jackass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888899)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 8:03 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

i seem dumb? you're the guy who doesn't even have a grasp on the economics of the law. I'm the one who educated you below, fuckwad. watch your mouth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888962)



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Date: August 4th, 2012 8:33 PM
Author: Crusty Talking Meetinghouse

u r literally retarded brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#21260733)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:37 PM
Author: hot razzle church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888296)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:42 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

Any chance it might be upheld?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888318)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:47 PM
Author: hot razzle church

Sure, if Kennedy is intellectually fraudulent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888356)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:48 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

How? Comstock bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888365)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:38 PM
Author: beta newt place of business

M

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888300)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:50 PM
Author: deep exhilarant heaven

Obamacare=niggershit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888375)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:51 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

(Mad as Fuck reptile)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888389)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:54 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

you realize obamacare is just a wealth transfer to boomers (olds on average to need more HC than youngs), right? youngs, on the left and the right, should be uniting against it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888408)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:54 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

Explain or link for elaboration

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888411)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:56 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

It was devised as a plan to alleviate pressure on Medicare once the retirement deluge begins en masse. By banning discriminatory pricing and enforcing an individual mandate, premiums for olds will drop (thanks to a surge of youngs now subsidizing) which will take pressure off of medicare entitlement claims.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888433)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:57 PM
Author: Cobalt address

This

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888440)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 6:58 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

How will we be subsidizing the olds exactly? I don't see it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888448)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:06 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

With discriminatory pricing, you can charge premiums at different levels of willingness to pay. A young is not willing to pay as much as an old because of 1) budget constraints; and 2) they dont anticipate demanding that much of the service.

If a young will only pay up to 100/mo in premiums before being priced out of the market, and an old will pay 200/mo, discriminatory pricing allows the insurance firm to capture both consumers. As the retirement deluge begins, olds will be demanding more services (because they are getting older and sicker and more sedentary) and most of them will be living off of fixed incomes, impacting their budget constraints. This drives them to seek medicare vouchers to supplement their rising HC costs. Because the fed govt cant fund medicare, they need a way to drive down olds' current premiums, in order to slow down the claims on medicare.

The mandate and non-discriminatory pricing provisions, which are inseparable -- even Obama's lawyers asked for a strikedown of the latter if the former is struck, allow firms to charge the average of these two prices, $150/mo, with the govt setting a penalty higher than the spread (say a $75/mo penalty). This has effectively forces rational youngs to write $50 checks to boomers every month; all done out of the hope but not guarantee that boomers will claim less medicare vouchers and bring down the house.

I say hope and not guarantee because Obamacare, stupidly, focused on coverage instead of costs. And there are very little preventative measures and incentive-shifting (to monitor consumption, etc.) in place to ensure that underlying medicare healthcare costs dont inflate at a rate faster than claims on medicare decrease, which means long-run premiums will rise (for everyone) even more. The ACA is severely structurally flawed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888497)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:35 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

Thanks. Can you explain insurance exchanges and the fuss about em in the Obamacare legislation? I was reading a NY Times piece yesterday and it was a bit obscure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888744)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:39 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse

i haven't read too much on it but it seems like a backdoor for an inevitable single-payer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888785)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:31 PM
Author: jet-lagged bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888702)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:45 PM
Author: vermilion hyperactive cruise ship community account

50/50 -- they either strike it down or they don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888813)



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Date: June 14th, 2012 7:46 PM
Author: Cracking Resort Clown

source?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#20888822)



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Date: December 23rd, 2012 8:40 PM
Author: Rambunctious greedy national incel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970817&forum_id=2#22302080)