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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
demanding nowag
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
histrionic casino coffee pot
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
fuchsia racy trump supporter
  12/18/25
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amber corner
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Disturbing nudist yarmulke point
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Disturbing nudist yarmulke point
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Saffron Garrison Ladyboy
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Sticky unholy elastic band blood rage
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Disturbing nudist yarmulke point
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
Arrogant canary parlour
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Arousing Slate Bawdyhouse Old Irish Cottage
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
emerald vigorous native
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
demanding nowag
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
emerald vigorous native
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
demanding nowag
  12/18/25
180
emerald vigorous native
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
soul-stirring gaping
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Shimmering theatre newt
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
soul-stirring gaping
  12/18/25
...
Shimmering theatre newt
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
Arrogant canary parlour
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Impertinent Ungodly Degenerate Trailer Park
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
demanding nowag
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
hairraiser police squad
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
demanding nowag
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Dark Swashbuckling Keepsake Machete University
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
sable concupiscible weed whacker step-uncle's house
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Crusty public bath partner
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
soul-stirring gaping
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
domesticated vengeful goyim fat ankles
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
irate site community account
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
Electric cyan mood mexican
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
irate site community account
  12/18/25
lol
Electric cyan mood mexican
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
doobsian garnet cruise ship liquid oxygen
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Shimmering theatre newt
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
irate site community account
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
Bistre indecent menage hissy fit
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Sticky unholy elastic band blood rage
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
Bistre indecent menage hissy fit
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Sticky unholy elastic band blood rage
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
Bistre indecent menage hissy fit
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Sticky unholy elastic band blood rage
  12/21/25
cr
Shimmering theatre newt
  12/18/25
Anabasis
stirring set
  12/18/25
...
Electric cyan mood mexican
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
Smoky lodge sneaky criminal
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
Electric cyan mood mexican
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Galvanic fear-inspiring national athletic conference
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
flirting white base clown
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
vermilion jewess
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
Electric cyan mood mexican
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
demanding nowag
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Shimmering theatre newt
  12/18/25
...
irate site community account
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Impertinent Ungodly Degenerate Trailer Park
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
irate site community account
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
comical tripping international law enforcement agency
  12/18/25
...
Impertinent Ungodly Degenerate Trailer Park
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
doobsian garnet cruise ship liquid oxygen
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Frum pervert hell
  12/18/25
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tan factory reset button
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Useless Shrine Karate
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Disturbing nudist yarmulke point
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
stirring set
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
Boyish milk people who are hurt
  12/19/25
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  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: demanding nowag

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: histrionic casino coffee pot

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: fuchsia racy trump supporter

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: amber corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Disturbing nudist yarmulke point

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Disturbing nudist yarmulke point

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Saffron Garrison Ladyboy

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Sticky unholy elastic band blood rage

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Disturbing nudist yarmulke point

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Arrogant canary parlour

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Arousing Slate Bawdyhouse Old Irish Cottage

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: emerald vigorous native

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: demanding nowag

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: emerald vigorous native

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: demanding nowag

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: emerald vigorous native

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: soul-stirring gaping

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Shimmering theatre newt

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: soul-stirring gaping

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Shimmering theatre newt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Arrogant canary parlour

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Impertinent Ungodly Degenerate Trailer Park

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: demanding nowag

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: hairraiser police squad

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: demanding nowag

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Dark Swashbuckling Keepsake Machete University

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: sable concupiscible weed whacker step-uncle's house

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Crusty public bath partner

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: soul-stirring gaping

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: domesticated vengeful goyim fat ankles

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: irate site community account

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Electric cyan mood mexican

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: irate site community account

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Electric cyan mood mexican

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: doobsian garnet cruise ship liquid oxygen

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Shimmering theatre newt

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: irate site community account

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: Bistre indecent menage hissy fit

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Sticky unholy elastic band blood rage

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: Bistre indecent menage hissy fit

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Sticky unholy elastic band blood rage

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Bistre indecent menage hissy fit

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Sticky unholy elastic band blood rage

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Shimmering theatre newt

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: stirring set

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Electric cyan mood mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Smoky lodge sneaky criminal

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Electric cyan mood mexican

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Galvanic fear-inspiring national athletic conference

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: flirting white base clown

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: vermilion jewess

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Electric cyan mood mexican

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: demanding nowag

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Shimmering theatre newt

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: irate site community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Impertinent Ungodly Degenerate Trailer Park

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: irate site community account

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: comical tripping international law enforcement agency

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Impertinent Ungodly Degenerate Trailer Park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: doobsian garnet cruise ship liquid oxygen

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Frum pervert hell

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: tan factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Useless Shrine Karate

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Disturbing nudist yarmulke point

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: stirring set

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: Boyish milk people who are hurt

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Date: December 26th, 2025 12:37 AM
Author: green provocative selfie

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