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Theaetetus: tried y'all's fucking neanderthalish wiping method

Where shall I begin? 1. Sat way forward on the seat. My...
turquoise karate
  05/05/04
you wipe from the front? who even does that?
Peach parlour useless brakes
  05/05/04
Apparently I'm the only person on this board. Who's willing...
turquoise karate
  05/05/04
ok so
Peach parlour useless brakes
  05/05/04
Both. Which is to say, I don't just wipe one way. I wipe f...
turquoise karate
  05/05/04
do you ever
Peach parlour useless brakes
  05/05/04
Only very rarely. Usually the head's hanging off to the opp...
turquoise karate
  05/05/04
he has a small penis so cute
buck-toothed senate
  05/05/04
You should have applied for URM-status.
supple glassy menage electric furnace
  05/05/04
Let me get this straight, you shit with your junk outside th...
bat shit crazy national
  05/05/04
No, they're not outside the toilet bowl.
turquoise karate
  05/05/04
How the hell can you wipe like a woman if your junk is insid...
bat shit crazy national
  05/05/04
Women aren't supposed to wipe from the front, due to the pos...
Sinister crystalline french chef
  05/05/04
Correct. I'm confusing #1 wiping with #2 wiping. Even my...
bat shit crazy national
  05/05/04
Okay, just checking. I didn't want the "women's way" to be ...
Sinister crystalline french chef
  05/05/04
you ruin the pun by drawing attention to it.
Henna Irradiated Double Fault
  04/17/05
jnk is smal
buck-toothed senate
  05/05/04
A. How the hell could my junk be outside the toilet in any e...
turquoise karate
  05/05/04
wow. I wouldn't be able to do it without lifting the packag...
bat shit crazy national
  05/05/04
This sounds like a hell of a lot of work, why not just tuck ...
Zippy razzle-dazzle lodge laser beams
  05/06/04
It's a hell of a lot less work than contorting my arm to go ...
turquoise karate
  05/06/04
Please let this subject die. Thanks.
flirting bawdyhouse
  05/05/04
On the contrary. It's a whole new category in the Hall of F...
turquoise karate
  05/05/04
Oddly enough, its not.
flirting bawdyhouse
  05/05/04
STFU. I hope your wife got pregnant, you dropped out of W...
Magenta hairraiser newt
  07/22/07
your just sad because you have a small ball and wiener, or w...
buck-toothed senate
  05/05/04
No way. This subject has been the highlight of my week.
copper field
  05/06/04
good Lord.
unhinged ticket booth idiot
  05/05/04
"JackDaniels and ice cream" Freudian, my dear Watson! ...
Cream Half-breed
  05/05/04
>1. Sat way forward on the seat. My jewels felt very cramped...
Arousing Space Pervert
  05/05/04
this is just disgusting. When you stand up, the cheeks co...
bat shit crazy national
  05/05/04
this is hilarious! hahaha
Vivacious duck-like gas station
  09/12/04
That is just absolutely the most disgusting thing ever to co...
turquoise karate
  05/05/04
i dont have tremendous assflab. things work out swimingly fo...
Arousing Space Pervert
  05/05/04
Nor do I.
turquoise karate
  05/05/04
Apparently you do.
Mustard Odious Garrison Cuck
  10/13/06
If you're fit, your asscheeks don't rub together. and if yo...
Mustard Odious Garrison Cuck
  10/13/06
TC, stand the fuck up like a man.
Mustard Odious Garrison Cuck
  10/13/06
Bump for the day crowd. And because I know Stabby doesn't w...
turquoise karate
  05/06/04
Thea, do you pull your balls to the side with your left hand...
buff drunken potus station
  05/06/04
If I need to, which isn't that often. Cf. yesterday's discu...
turquoise karate
  05/06/04
Am I to understand that most guys wipe from the back? I d...
impressive french meetinghouse mood
  05/06/04
No, most guys wipe from the back. That's how my mother taug...
buff drunken potus station
  05/06/04
And do you pull your tp from the top or bottom? Perhaps the...
impressive french meetinghouse mood
  05/06/04
I start off pulling up. (that's a bit of an aggressive way ...
buff drunken potus station
  05/06/04
:) Thanks for the detail, but I was referring to the ...
impressive french meetinghouse mood
  05/06/04
I actually usually say grundle or choade, but taint seems to...
buff drunken potus station
  05/06/04
Never heard grundle. Choad was more common in grade school ...
impressive french meetinghouse mood
  05/06/04
Are you talking about the gouche?
Razzmatazz Beta Telephone Persian
  04/21/05
Back by popular demand
Exhilarant mentally impaired dog poop background story
  09/12/04
This could very well be one of the top-10 posts in pr/xoxo h...
Out-of-control goyim hissy fit
  09/12/04
It sure is.
Out-of-control goyim hissy fit
  04/17/05
*chuckle*
Hot queen of the night
  02/11/05
bump
copper field
  06/03/05
good bump
Talented Brilliant Deer Antler Trump Supporter
  06/03/05
bump for a classic
Scarlet electric tanning salon travel guidebook
  07/18/06
10. And you know what? Maybe I do have a small cock. But giv...
boyish genital piercing
  07/21/06
Amen.
Scarlet electric tanning salon travel guidebook
  10/13/06
comparison bump
Stubborn Pungent Piazza
  01/25/07
tyty for your compassion. this is indeed awesome
Gay Erotic Coldplay Fan Heaven
  01/26/07
Vic stands up.
Haunting stag film tattoo
  01/25/07
not been bumped in 6 months??
excitant pozpig mental disorder
  07/22/07
I stand up and exclusively use Huggies Natural Care wipes, a...
Sticky Forum Twinkling Uncleanness
  07/22/07
where have all the cowboys gone?
excitant pozpig mental disorder
  11/25/07
...
Tantric step-uncle's house
  11/25/07
<3
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  09/11/08


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Date: May 5th, 2004 11:03 PM
Author: turquoise karate

Where shall I begin?

1. Sat way forward on the seat. My jewels felt very cramped and uncomfortable. All you people who were whining about my method cuz your cock and balls got in the way are full of shit (no pun intended). No way you can have that problem with my method but not have them get in the way when you sit far enough forward to reach behind. Fucking liars.

2. Speaking of sitting far enough forward -- as noted above I was crowding the package, AND I have an elongated toilet seat (oval shaped instead of round), and I *still* didn't have enough room in the back to both get underneat *and* turn the angle to get to my asshole.

3. And once I did this, my arm was effectively trapped between the seat and a cheek. I had no freedom of movement whatsoever.

4. I will say this as a revision to my earlier criticism -- my asshole wasn't nearly as "far away" going this route as I thought it would be. I'll give you all that point. However ...

5. Because of the awkward angle and very small space to squeeze through, I still ended up having a harder time reaching it.

6. The wiping motion working from behind without being able to involve my whole arm in the process was very ineffective. I just knew I wasn't getting clean. And I wasn't. (See below.)

7. Given how little room for error there was going under with a clean set of paper, there was no fucking way I was bringing the soiled sheets back out for inspection. I had no choice but to drop them unseen into the bowl.

8. I tried twice more with no success and then finally gave up, scooted back, and went to work the CORRECT way. And guess what I found? Shit smeared all over the place, where I normally have none. Obviously, my wiping from behind did nothing but create a bigger mess.

9. Again, you people with the cock-and-ball objection have to be bullshitting. Sure, I'm not the most well-endowed guy on the planet, but I had absolutely no trouble at all accomodating my forearm to one side and getting all the work done that I had to do, with complete freedom of movement the entire time.

10. And you know what? Maybe I do have a small cock. But given that I'm married and plan to stay that way, I'd rather have a small cock and know my asshole is pristine, than a cock so big I have to live with a shit-encrusted asshole for all of my days. And I think any lady who'd choose the latter over the former is not the kind of lady I'd want to be fucking in the first place.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388260)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:06 PM
Author: Peach parlour useless brakes

you wipe from the front? who even does that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388290)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:07 PM
Author: turquoise karate

Apparently I'm the only person on this board. Who's willing to share, anyway.

And having tried the other way, I am more convinced than ever that I am right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388298)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:08 PM
Author: Peach parlour useless brakes
Subject: ok so

when you wipe with an arm from the front, do you start at the far end of the asshole or the near? that is to say do you start on the cockside or the backside?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388310)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:10 PM
Author: turquoise karate

Both. Which is to say, I don't just wipe one way. I wipe forward, back, around, whatever. But all rather narrowly confined to the actual asshole area. No chance of contaminating either the balls, taint, or upper crack.

Of course, if there's been some splatter or splash, I'll venture out as necessary.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388326)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:11 PM
Author: Peach parlour useless brakes
Subject: do you ever

get a little post-pee on your forearm then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388337)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:14 PM
Author: turquoise karate

Only very rarely. Usually the head's hanging off to the opposite side.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388387)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:12 PM
Author: buck-toothed senate

he has a small penis

so cute

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388348)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:11 PM
Author: supple glassy menage electric furnace

You should have applied for URM-status.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388334)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:08 PM
Author: bat shit crazy national

Let me get this straight, you shit with your junk outside the toilet bowl and then wipe from the front?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388302)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:08 PM
Author: turquoise karate

No, they're not outside the toilet bowl.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388311)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:09 PM
Author: bat shit crazy national

How the hell can you wipe like a woman if your junk is inside the toilet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388322)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:12 PM
Author: Sinister crystalline french chef

Women aren't supposed to wipe from the front, due to the possibility of... contamination, shall we say. One of the more awkward moments of sex ed is when my 7th grade science teacher articulated this for the class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388352)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:13 PM
Author: bat shit crazy national

Correct. I'm confusing #1 wiping with #2 wiping.

Even my wife wipes from the rear when shitting. And she's the most anal (why can't I stop with the bad puns)-retentive person in the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388369)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:15 PM
Author: Sinister crystalline french chef

Okay, just checking. I didn't want the "women's way" to be unsanitary and have us all get a bad rap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388396)





Date: April 17th, 2005 9:28 PM
Author: Henna Irradiated Double Fault

you ruin the pun by drawing attention to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#2580780)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:12 PM
Author: buck-toothed senate

jnk is smal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388358)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:13 PM
Author: turquoise karate

A. How the hell could my junk be outside the toilet in any event?

B. Apparently most women (who've been willing to share on this board) don't wipe this way either, unless it's just to dry off the vag after a tinkle.

C. As I've acknowledged in this thread and elsewhere, my junk does not take up the entire space from thigh to thigh when I'm sitting in the shitting position. (I spread my knees fairly widely -- in your basic public stall each knee is on the side wall.) My junk is located in the center and there is sufficient room between junk and thigh for a forearm to get past.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388360)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:14 PM
Author: bat shit crazy national

wow. I wouldn't be able to do it without lifting the package out of the way.

If it works, more power to you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388386)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:34 AM
Author: Zippy razzle-dazzle lodge laser beams

This sounds like a hell of a lot of work, why not just tuck your feet behind your head while you're at it? That would make the front entry much easier I would think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391537)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:44 AM
Author: turquoise karate

It's a hell of a lot less work than contorting my arm to go behind my back, under my ass and back up.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391643)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:04 PM
Author: flirting bawdyhouse

Please let this subject die.

Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388270)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:05 PM
Author: turquoise karate

On the contrary. It's a whole new category in the Hall of Fame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388275)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:06 PM
Author: flirting bawdyhouse

Oddly enough, its not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388289)





Date: July 22nd, 2007 8:49 PM
Author: Magenta hairraiser newt

STFU.

I hope your wife got pregnant, you dropped out of WUSTL, and you died from 3rd degree burns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#8422610)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:08 PM
Author: buck-toothed senate

your just sad because you have a small ball and wiener, or whiner is more like it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388305)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:18 AM
Author: copper field

No way. This subject has been the highlight of my week.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391415)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:04 PM
Author: unhinged ticket booth idiot

good Lord.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388273)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:05 PM
Author: Cream Half-breed

"JackDaniels and ice cream"

Freudian, my dear Watson!

**PS: I will pray for your wife.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388281)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:14 PM
Author: Arousing Space Pervert

>1. Sat way forward on the seat. My jewels felt very cramped and uncomfortable.

this is where things fall apart for you. you dont wipe sitting down. you STAND UP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388377)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:15 PM
Author: bat shit crazy national

this is just disgusting.

When you stand up, the cheeks come together and it smears all over the place.

You grab the paper, lift ass slightly and wipe.

Personally, I like to follow up the paper wiping with a gentle, refreshing baby wipe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388394)





Date: September 12th, 2004 9:53 PM
Author: Vivacious duck-like gas station

this is hilarious! hahaha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#1328505)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:16 PM
Author: turquoise karate

That is just absolutely the most disgusting thing ever to contemplate. The only thing worse than having a dirty asshole is having an entire dirty ass crack because you stood up and let your cheeks rub together and smear it everywhere.

Check out the day threads on this -- standers are the next minority group after me.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388403)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:26 PM
Author: Arousing Space Pervert

i dont have tremendous assflab. things work out swimingly for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388523)





Date: May 5th, 2004 11:33 PM
Author: turquoise karate

Nor do I.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#388594)





Date: October 13th, 2006 8:16 AM
Author: Mustard Odious Garrison Cuck

Apparently you do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#6780461)





Date: October 13th, 2006 8:15 AM
Author: Mustard Odious Garrison Cuck

If you're fit, your asscheeks don't rub together. and if you wipe properly, you end up completely clean either way.

Bottom line, you can't really hit it all well sitting down like a little girl, and why would you want to?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#6780460)





Date: October 13th, 2006 8:13 AM
Author: Mustard Odious Garrison Cuck

TC, stand the fuck up like a man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#6780456)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:07 AM
Author: turquoise karate

Bump for the day crowd. And because I know Stabby doesn't want it to fade away just yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391347)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:08 AM
Author: buff drunken potus station

Thea, do you pull your balls to the side with your left hand? Assuming you're a righty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391361)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:12 AM
Author: turquoise karate

If I need to, which isn't that often. Cf. yesterday's discussion of ball retraction for temperature control.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391382)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:36 AM
Author: impressive french meetinghouse mood

Am I to understand that most guys wipe from the back?

I doubt this since most guys learn to wipe from there mothers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391569)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:48 AM
Author: buff drunken potus station

No, most guys wipe from the back. That's how my mother taught me. Women shit, you know. They don't just piss. The front wipe is only to dry off the muffslot. They wipe from behind when shitting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391682)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:52 AM
Author: impressive french meetinghouse mood

And do you pull your tp from the top or bottom? Perhaps there's a correlation here in the teaching of mom's.

I've always enjoyed the feeling of running my forearm along my hog while preparing to wipe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391738)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:54 AM
Author: buff drunken potus station

I start off pulling up. (that's a bit of an aggressive way to describe it, but it's the easiest).

After a few ups, and when I feel clean, I'll push down, then it depends on the situation. Sometimes another few ups are needed, followed by a few down... just depends. But I'd say I'm typically a puller upper... taint to tailbone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391757)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:56 AM
Author: impressive french meetinghouse mood

:)

Thanks for the detail, but I was referring to the tp off the roll.

'Taint? Where I live, Banus and Nacho are the more prevalent terms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391777)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:56 AM
Author: buff drunken potus station

I actually usually say grundle or choade, but taint seems to get tossed around on the board.

as for the roll, the tp hangs over the front of the roll. so I guess i pull from the top?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391784)





Date: May 6th, 2004 10:59 AM
Author: impressive french meetinghouse mood

Never heard grundle. Choad was more common in grade school than now. 'Taint is what my dad called it. He's pretty old school, so I know that term goes at least back to the 40s and 50s.

Just as a point of science, I grew up pulling from the bottom. I bet I could get an NSF grant to study this correlation as a sociology experiment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#391812)





Date: April 21st, 2005 11:06 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Beta Telephone Persian

Are you talking about the gouche?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#2608832)





Date: September 12th, 2004 8:50 PM
Author: Exhilarant mentally impaired dog poop background story

Back by popular demand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#1328229)





Date: September 12th, 2004 9:09 PM
Author: Out-of-control goyim hissy fit

This could very well be one of the top-10 posts in pr/xoxo history.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#1328345)





Date: April 17th, 2005 9:30 PM
Author: Out-of-control goyim hissy fit

It sure is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#2580791)





Date: February 11th, 2005 10:20 AM
Author: Hot queen of the night

*chuckle*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#2108109)





Date: June 3rd, 2005 1:23 PM
Author: copper field

bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#2921447)





Date: June 3rd, 2005 1:24 PM
Author: Talented Brilliant Deer Antler Trump Supporter

good bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#2921454)





Date: July 18th, 2006 11:28 PM
Author: Scarlet electric tanning salon travel guidebook

bump for a classic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#6245982)





Date: July 21st, 2006 4:17 PM
Author: boyish genital piercing

10. And you know what? Maybe I do have a small cock. But given that I'm married and plan to stay that way, I'd rather have a small cock and know my asshole is pristine, than a cock so big I have to live with a shit-encrusted asshole for all of my days. And I think any lady who'd choose the latter over the former is not the kind of lady I'd want to be fucking in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#6268199)





Date: October 13th, 2006 1:24 AM
Author: Scarlet electric tanning salon travel guidebook

Amen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#6779649)





Date: January 25th, 2007 11:30 PM
Author: Stubborn Pungent Piazza

comparison bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#7486574)





Date: January 26th, 2007 12:17 AM
Author: Gay Erotic Coldplay Fan Heaven

tyty for your compassion.

this is indeed awesome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#7486780)





Date: January 25th, 2007 11:41 PM
Author: Haunting stag film tattoo

Vic stands up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#7486630)





Date: July 22nd, 2007 7:35 PM
Author: excitant pozpig mental disorder

not been bumped in 6 months??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#8422296)





Date: July 22nd, 2007 8:56 PM
Author: Sticky Forum Twinkling Uncleanness

I stand up and exclusively use Huggies Natural Care wipes, and I get my whole hole and crack immaculate. I can't imagine anyone doing this another way. There is no way I'm sticking my hand in a fucking toilet...especially if I'm at work.

That said, is carrying around a bunch of wipes at all time a bother? Yes, but it's a small price to pay for a clean ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#8422634)





Date: November 25th, 2007 8:49 PM
Author: excitant pozpig mental disorder

where have all the cowboys gone?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#8936384)





Date: November 25th, 2007 11:21 PM
Author: Tantric step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#8937214)





Date: September 11th, 2008 4:13 PM
Author: Shivering seedy nowag

<3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=23417&forum_id=2#10149737)