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HYP ug/CCN V10 fired biglaw atty soliciting advice
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:28 PM Author: shivering hominid Plenty of savings. Student loans @ low interest. Interviewed at 5-6 V50-V100s and one boutique before I was fired cause I knew it was coming but didnt get an offer. NYC apartment with roommate so rent isn't too huge a drag.
Went to Vegas on a whim for a weekend and ended up staying about 2 weeks. Was pretty fucking awesome. Now I'm thinking of just not interviewing for awhile and chilling, but will this ruin my chances of ever returning to lawfirm life in any respect other than SHITLAW?
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:38 PM Author: vibrant know-it-all party of the first part locale Does it take that much time to keep interviewing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038614) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:40 PM Author: shivering hominid no but now that i am actually no longer on the firm web site, in my interviews id have to explain that i was fired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038633) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:39 PM Author: harsh milky organic girlfriend use your hyp/ccn connections and land another job. shouldn't be that difficult. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038619) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:43 PM Author: shivering hominid lol @ connections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038674) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:48 PM Author: harsh milky organic girlfriend you don't know anyone? dude, you attended hyp/ccn and you have NO connections whatsoever? that's the only reason for attending those schools. shame on you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038751) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:48 PM Author: startled awkward gas station love of her life I'm trying to decide if this is flame or not.
the connections out of HYP are overrated... you will meet maybe 3-4 people that are "well connected" through their families. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 4:40 PM Author: Curious Spot Police Squad you dont have to be from a good family or whatever to network
going to a top undegrad, you're going to meet a lot of people who will be in a position to recommend you or help you out someday |
Date: February 6th, 2010 11:38 PM Author: Well-lubricated casino flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038604) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:40 PM Author: At-the-ready beady-eyed potus french chef how'd you know it was coming? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038639) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:42 PM Author: shivering hominid I worked at a top notch firm where all the YLS slackers in my class quit/were pushed out in their first two years. So I was basically bottom of the barrel of what was left, and wasn't getting enough work. Plus partners were bitching about my writing. I fucked up a couple of things too. Basically just didnt "develop" as an atty fast enough. With not enough people quitting on their own, the firm has to push bottom tier performers like me out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038672) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:43 PM Author: Ivory useless brakes what things did you fuck up?
where did the other people who were pushed out go? |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:48 PM Author: shivering hominid some people went to other firms, idk about the rest. my class was huge obviously, so i didnt really follow or know weveryone.
i dont want to be too specific, but shit like telling the opposing counsel/judge/client something that the partner was really pissed about and had to fix |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: maize parlour You sound retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038845) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:41 PM Author: laughsome hall doctorate What year were you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038658) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:43 PM Author: shivering hominid between my 3rd and 4th year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038681) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:47 PM Author: laughsome hall doctorate DO you want to go back into law?
And what was your area of practice? |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:50 PM Author: shivering hominid yes i guess i would go back to law b/c i cant do anything else. i was in lit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038788) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:52 PM Author: laughsome hall doctorate Yea, lit really limits your options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038810) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:53 PM Author: Ivory useless brakes What better options would he have if he'd been working on mergers and acquisitions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038822) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:54 PM Author: laughsome hall doctorate If he's reasonably good at networking, he could possibly have a shot of not just another law job, but business affairs, biz-dev or the like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038835) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: shivering hominid im not good at networking or interviewing. basically your typical law school nerd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038846) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:56 PM Author: laughsome hall doctorate Get better? Read Dale Cargnegie's book and put it into practice. Huge asset for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038855) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:11 AM Author: turquoise athletic conference locus this is credited, but I feel really sorry for a 25-year old who doesn't already know 99% of the book based on life experience. The rules basically boil down to "admit when you fucked up, apologize, and be nice" I bought it a couple years ago and was very fucking sorry that I knew it all already. |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:54 PM Author: shivering hominid yeah, i really wish i did transactional. my firm never had real layoffs so i probably would have been able to last the same amt of time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038831) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:46 PM Author: Well-lubricated casino This is such flame. Your description of your situation and reasons for being fired are so fucking cliche. Honestly, how do you people not get that this is flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038727) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:47 PM Author: Ivory useless brakes There's no motive. Why would anyone post something like this as flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038736) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:50 PM Author: Yapping excitant juggernaut attention whoring (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038787) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: Well-lubricated casino Because it's Saturday night, and on this particular night he (and me and you) have nothing better to do. People are weird. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038841) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 12:05 AM Author: Flushed razzmatazz depressive lol at your credentials and living with a roommate! wahaha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14038923) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 12:25 AM Author: lilac wagecucks assuming u have the #s, u should find a dct clerkship somewhere that has an '10 slot open. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14039087) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:44 PM Author: transparent bespoke theatre ape You're a dumbass for getting fired. It is HARD to get fired from a BIGLAW gig especially V10 firms. They only do it if you seriously fuck shit up and don't improve after being give months of warnings.
Maybe while you are out of work you should think about why you are a bad employee because chances are you'll go to your next job and the same thin will happen. Perhaps you should consider going back to school to get another degree and go into a different profession. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:05 PM Author: Hilarious peach mental disorder institution False. False. False.
People get fired from V-10's all the time. It's called being choked off of hours and fired for failure to make hours. It takes six months. And you're not improving. You're not doing anything except interviewing (unless you're too dumb to realize you are being chocked out of work and striving for work via pro bono and other useless work).
Biglaw jobs are temp jobs. Seriously.
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Date: February 7th, 2010 9:07 PM Author: flickering green library generalized bond you are incredibly naive. this is false. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14048680) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 10:56 PM Author: transparent bespoke theatre ape I've been in BIGLAW for years. The only people who get asked to leave are literally associates who (a) don't bill shit for at least six months straight even though there is work in the office; and (b) do shitty work on whatever they do actually bill.
Usually they are the elitist fucks who went to top schools and think their shit is sweeter. They come into BIGLAW and don't want to put the effort in to actually learn how to practice law.
Compared to other professions it is VERY hard to get fired from BIGLAW as an attorney. Hell compared even to paralegals and secretaries it is so much harder. They have dinged secretaries in my office for having a bad two weeks.
BIGLAW lawyers are fucking spoiled. If you can manage to go to a t14 but you can't survive in BIGLAW for more than four or five years then you are just unmotivated and lazy. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 11:56 PM Author: Hilarious peach mental disorder institution Worked in Gibson and DPW (before leaving for the gov't) and I have to say you're full of crap.
Women routinely get starved for work, which leads to you being laid off. One or two years after your one maternity leave.
Minorities: the same.
White men: a mixed bag, but yes. Layoffs victims abound.
It's about being starved off. Not because you're smart or failed to be on law review or whatever. But because you do not fit within the narrow confines of what is demanded of biglaw associates. And the massive amount of competition among associates in the same class (and partners gunning for you to be fired to save their own asses) make it so that getting fired isn't anything more than bad luck.
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Date: February 7th, 2010 11:58 PM Author: Bistre tripping stage roommate how do you avoid being starved off? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14051170) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:06 AM Author: grizzly kitchen you don't. biglaw exists on the assumption of a very high rate of attrition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14051270) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:10 AM Author: transparent bespoke theatre ape You must be a corporate associate because most BIGLAW firms litigation departments are still busy. It is rare to get "starved" for work in litigation unless all the partners fucking hate you cause you have screwed shit up in the past.
BIGLAW firms are notorious for being overly nice to fucking shity associates instead of just canning them immediately like almost every other fucking profession would do. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:35 AM Author: shivering hominid getting starved for work is pretty routine, its the first step in getting rid of the lowest performing associates in a class who arent leaving on their own (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14051636) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 11:59 PM Author: maize parlour Describe the narrow confines of what is demanded of biglaw associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14051182) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:34 AM Author: shivering hominid sounds like you worked at some TTT in the boom economy where partners had low expectation and the firm was so objectively shitty enough people were leaving on their own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14051613) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 12:25 AM Author: Comical kink-friendly university cuck yeah im sure the 50% of latham first years were all fuck ups (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14051515) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 8:05 AM Author: Hilarious peach mental disorder institution Exactly. And litigators get starved off routinely. It's a matter of working for a partner who decides to leave for a bigger paycheck at a different firm and leaves you behind or that four big cases settle in a row or senior associates, junior partners hoard work midlevels and juniors ought to be doing ("because it's just easier for me to do this. I work more quickly"). Like I said, it happens. It's bad luck mostly and attrition isn't a reflection of the quality or smarts of the associates sticking around. I know plenty of dumb asses running around DPW still. It's luck.
And no, it's not sour grapes. I left on my own to do two clerkships and wanted to be in gov't after two years of firm life. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 8:08 AM Author: Ivory useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14053471) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 8:30 AM Author: Hilarious peach mental disorder institution Budget a lifestyle where you and your family will make no more than 70K a year (excluding student loan payments) and prepare to leave on your own or get fired within 3 years.
And from what I've seen from friends, there is even less support for younger attorneys as they seem to get the brunt of the spoiled/entitled bs you hear from partners. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 1:06 AM Author: Mint fat ankles native start a new life for yourself helping poors in BIGLEGALAID (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1214642&forum_id=2#14051975) |