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Rate my PC build for large model local LLM

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X GPU1: RTX 4090 GPU2: RTX A6000 128gb RA...
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
why not two 4090
crawly white property filthpig
  12/11/24
My combo is more optimal for dual GPU since you can't onboar...
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
the CPU absolutely does nothing for LLM?
crawly white property filthpig
  12/11/24
CPU matters. That's why I got the best one
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
There's something called CPU offloading where some processin...
Clear Hairraiser Tank Range
  12/11/24
Do you think Apple's future M4 max/ultra cpu will be better ...
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
no
Clear Hairraiser Tank Range
  12/11/24
M1 Ultra is still plenty
https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
  01/08/25
i have similar but just for poasting
greedy step-uncle's house
  12/11/24
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Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
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Sepia razzle partner hall
  12/11/24
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Talented hissy fit
  12/11/24
Where are you finding 4090s for sale that aren't jacked up 2...
maize area
  12/11/24
I got it months ago and just putting together now. Are pr...
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
For work?
plum zippy travel guidebook sneaky criminal
  12/11/24
Yep
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
Is setting up a local LLM pretty easy? Does it need coding s...
obsidian up-to-no-good whorehouse
  12/11/24
really easy with ollama, https://ollama.com/
plum zippy travel guidebook sneaky criminal
  12/11/24
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Sepia razzle partner hall
  12/11/24
whats the benefit of running these locally vs just subscribi...
underhanded hell french chef
  12/11/24
the ones running locally are not as powerful and don't accep...
plum zippy travel guidebook sneaky criminal
  12/11/24
does the hardware above make it practical to train your own?...
underhanded hell french chef
  12/11/24
1) Yes the above hardware can easily handle large models and...
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
0 chance you will be able to train your own LLM, these compa...
plum zippy travel guidebook sneaky criminal
  12/11/24
You don’t need this much power just to take notes/exam...
Beta brunch turdskin
  12/11/24
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Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
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Talented hissy fit
  12/11/24
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Excitant ruby generalized bond lettuce
  12/11/24
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Talented hissy fit
  12/12/24
how much did it all come to? will a local llm be capable of ...
Thriller bespoke ape mood
  12/11/24
Under $5k but I didn't buy a6000 card yet Those fuckers a...
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
how many watts does the PSU have?
red coiffed headpube point
  12/11/24
170 Edit: this is the CPU watts
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
that's a bit low, I don't think u actually have built a comp...
red coiffed headpube point
  12/11/24
Dark Side of the Moon 1350W PSU, Advanced Liquid Cooled CPU ...
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
You are using an OEM Alienware part for you PSU? How does t...
red coiffed headpube point
  12/12/24
OP is growing a beard and changing monikres as we speak
know-it-all translucent degenerate azn
  12/12/24
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Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/12/24
I really want to put together my own local LLM setup too. Ta...
contagious mad cow disease preventive strike
  12/11/24
We should start a discord or something
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
I'm down, I'm still a total noob at this I haven't even star...
contagious mad cow disease preventive strike
  12/11/24
If you have an M2 or later MacBook/mini you can install olla...
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/11/24
can u show us what u can do with ur setup
crawly white property filthpig
  12/11/24
What will you use it for? How is it better than just getting...
vibrant dull resort boistinker
  12/12/24
Re 1st question: scaling and streamlining CRM and customer s...
Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band
  12/12/24
link to wat u can get from ur setup
crawly white property filthpig
  12/12/24
automating as much of the client lifecycle as possible t...
know-it-all translucent degenerate azn
  12/12/24
Bump for 5090, how many are you getting OP?
pitbulls eating your face in hell forever tp
  01/08/25
Isn't it just easier to buy a Mac Studio or whatever it's ca...
imagine if the races were reversed
  01/08/25


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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:25 AM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X

GPU1: RTX 4090

GPU2: RTX A6000

128gb RAM

8TB NVMe 4.0

Windows 11 Pro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48435761)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 2:03 AM
Author: crawly white property filthpig

why not two 4090

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48435788)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 2:12 AM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

My combo is more optimal for dual GPU since you can't onboard dual 4090s on 1 motherboard and eGPU throttles 50-70% of 4090 performance due to inherent bandwidth limitations with thunderbolt connection vs A6000 is optimized for low bandwidth and has 48gb VRAM (vs 24gb for 4090) to handle massive data sets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48435793)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:34 AM
Author: crawly white property filthpig

the CPU absolutely does nothing for LLM?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48435877)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 5:14 AM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

CPU matters. That's why I got the best one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48435907)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:22 AM
Author: Clear Hairraiser Tank Range

There's something called CPU offloading where some processing is handled by the CPU. But the kind of operations used in LLMs is different than the kind of operations at which CPUs excel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48436129)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:36 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

Do you think Apple's future M4 max/ultra cpu will be better at LLM?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437276)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 2:57 PM
Author: Clear Hairraiser Tank Range

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437673)



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Date: January 8th, 2025 9:20 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK


M1 Ultra is still plenty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48533861)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:34 AM
Author: greedy step-uncle's house

i have similar but just for poasting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48435773)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 2:14 AM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48435795)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:05 PM
Author: Sepia razzle partner hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437693)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 9:07 PM
Author: Talented hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438902)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 11:24 AM
Author: maize area

Where are you finding 4090s for sale that aren't jacked up 2x MSRP by scalpers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48436665)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:33 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

I got it months ago and just putting together now.

Are prices on 4090 still that bad? I thought 5090 and 5080 were about to drop any day now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437259)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:34 PM
Author: plum zippy travel guidebook sneaky criminal

For work?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437264)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:56 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

Yep

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438874)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:35 PM
Author: obsidian up-to-no-good whorehouse

Is setting up a local LLM pretty easy? Does it need coding savvy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437271)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:36 PM
Author: plum zippy travel guidebook sneaky criminal

really easy with ollama, https://ollama.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437274)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:38 PM
Author: Sepia razzle partner hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437286)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:40 PM
Author: underhanded hell french chef

whats the benefit of running these locally vs just subscribing to claude or whatever



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437815)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:45 PM
Author: plum zippy travel guidebook sneaky criminal

the ones running locally are not as powerful and don't accept really long context windows. the main benefit is no limits to the number of requests and you can find uncensored models.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437832)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:55 PM
Author: underhanded hell french chef

does the hardware above make it practical to train your own? could you train on just on a giant dump of legal cases and get one superior at legal research at the expense of everything else, or is that even available better commercially at this point?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437869)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 4:38 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

1) Yes the above hardware can easily handle large models and is possibly even overkill for CRM, basic legal queries / prompts about client's file, and drafting complex legal briefs

2) Local llm with win10 Pro (eg, ollama, GPT4All, chat rtx) is the ONLY option for attorneys to do this offline given client data sensitivity

3) if you spent $10k on a fully spec'd out Mac Pro/Studio with 192gb unified ram it would not come close to this setup for local LLM in terms of speed and ability to handle large data and complex writing tasks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438017)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: plum zippy travel guidebook sneaky criminal

0 chance you will be able to train your own LLM, these companies spend tens of millions $$$ on gpu hardware to train an LLM.

The best you can do locally is "retrieval augmented generation" that is specific to legal cases/research.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438197)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:37 PM
Author: Beta brunch turdskin

You don’t need this much power just to take notes/exams at NYU Law tax classes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48437283)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:48 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

163

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438847)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 10:29 PM
Author: Talented hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48439148)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 10:32 PM
Author: Excitant ruby generalized bond lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48439153)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 12:12 PM
Author: Talented hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48440746)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 4:41 PM
Author: Thriller bespoke ape mood

how much did it all come to? will a local llm be capable of translating from exotic languages?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438026)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:52 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

Under $5k but I didn't buy a6000 card yet

Those fuckers are expensive!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438854)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 5:25 PM
Author: red coiffed headpube point

how many watts does the PSU have?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438199)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:50 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

170

Edit: this is the CPU watts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438849)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 9:06 PM
Author: red coiffed headpube point

that's a bit low, I don't think u actually have built a computer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438901)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 9:15 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

Dark Side of the Moon 1350W PSU, Advanced Liquid Cooled CPU & Clear Side Panel

Item number: 321-BIKW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438939)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 8:50 AM
Author: red coiffed headpube point

You are using an OEM Alienware part for you PSU? How does that make sense?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48440037)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 8:54 AM
Author: know-it-all translucent degenerate azn

OP is growing a beard and changing monikres as we speak

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48440043)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 10:17 AM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48440299)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:53 PM
Author: contagious mad cow disease preventive strike

I really want to put together my own local LLM setup too. Tagging this thread for later. 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438860)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:53 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

We should start a discord or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438863)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:59 PM
Author: contagious mad cow disease preventive strike

I'm down, I'm still a total noob at this I haven't even started to do my own research on what hardware I'll need

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438883)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 9:01 PM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

If you have an M2 or later MacBook/mini you can install ollama or lm studio right now on an external ssd and start fucking around

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48438889)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 10:31 PM
Author: crawly white property filthpig

can u show us what u can do with ur setup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48439150)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 10:23 AM
Author: vibrant dull resort boistinker

What will you use it for? How is it better than just getting a subscription to Claude/ChatGPT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48440310)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 10:58 AM
Author: Chest-beating Business Firm Elastic Band

Re 1st question: scaling and streamlining CRM and customer service; reducing bottlenecks, automating as much of the client lifecycle as possible

Re 2nd question: mainly compliance with HIPAA, SCA, ECPA, CPRA etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48440474)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 11:04 AM
Author: crawly white property filthpig

link to wat u can get from ur setup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48440496)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 1:06 PM
Author: know-it-all translucent degenerate azn

automating as much of the client lifecycle as possible

tptptptp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48441000)



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Date: January 8th, 2025 8:34 PM
Author: pitbulls eating your face in hell forever tp

Bump for 5090, how many are you getting OP?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48533708)



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Date: January 8th, 2025 9:08 PM
Author: imagine if the races were reversed

Isn't it just easier to buy a Mac Studio or whatever it's called? Supposedly it's very good for private LLM stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2#48533823)