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In-house bros: how chill are your days on average?
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Date: January 9th, 2025 2:08 PM Author: '"'"'"''" How many hours per day are you working? After 5pm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48536494) |
Date: January 9th, 2025 3:38 PM Author: '"'"'"''" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537019) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 3:42 PM Author: Kenneth Play if it's not chill and you're working a lot after 5pm, ask yourself, why am i not being compensated more highly and working at a law firm. or find a more chill in-house job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537033) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 3:47 PM Author: richard clock 90% of my days are extremely chill. i often do work after 5pm to connect with people in asia, but it's no big deal and it's not like i'm working straight through, i'll just schedule a call at 8pm or something and deal with it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537050) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 3:52 PM Author: He flexed his right muscle. Describe your comp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537073) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 4:53 PM Author: richard clock (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537453) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 4:57 PM Author: .;:..;:.;.:.;.,,,..,.:,.;....;,;;;..;,..,,.,,...., How big is your company and where are you on the totem pole? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537478) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 5:02 PM Author: richard clock (Major, Lindsay & Africa associate) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537513) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 5:06 PM Author: .;:..;:.;.:.;.,,,..,.:,.;....;,;;;..;,..,,.,,...., (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537540) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 8:18 PM Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship Damn, that's legit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48538368) |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 12:26 PM Author: Kenneth Play yeah that's great comp for non-GC in-house, gotta be a VP or bu GC or something. maybe senior director if it's a very high col city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48539808) |
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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:50 AM Author: Judas Jones You just miss being in Asia so much you’re scheduling pointless calls with the Singapore office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48542052) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 4:07 PM Author: i am an erotic wildfire (No Future) incredibly chill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537161) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 4:32 PM Author: Trust If Aryan chill, 45hrs/week. nothing on weekends, no insanity. nobody really cares too much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537328) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 4:37 PM Author: ,.,.,.,........,....,,,.. The raw number of hours isn’t a big deal. But I’m always on call and frequently take calls at random times. Will have a meeting in the morning and then at 8pm. Makes it feel like there’s always work going on. I think I’ve stayed too long at my current gig. Too much responsibility for too many things built up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537354) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 5:19 PM Author: '"'"'"''" I thought the whole point of going in-house was to avoid that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537637) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 5:54 PM Author: ,.,.,.,........,....,,,.. It’s still better than at a firm. Far fewer actual hours worked. When shit hits the fan the response is to forward it to outside counsel, not do a bunch of work on your own. Partners treat you nice because you’re the client. Business colleagues treat you nice because they’re not lawyers and have respect for lawyers. Just the constant pinging about issues day and night is annoying. Also sucks managing people and being a figurehead. The sweet spot was like 5 years ago when comp was similar, liquidity events more regular, and when I was more mid level so no one expected anything of me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537776) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 7:36 PM Author: i am an erotic wildfire (No Future) yeah it's the random stuff forwarded to you at the 11th hour with a 'are you the right person for this? what should we do?' and you have to go down some rabbit hole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48538216) |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 8:49 AM Author: ,.,.,.,........,....,,,.. Yep. Especially if it’s an exec and his team has already marched something all the way to the goal line or even implemented it without legal review and then there are problems. Or litigation or other disputes. Or if m&a, it is just like a month or more of life gone, no real financial incentive for you on buy side other than theoretical increase to equity value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48539341) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 9:01 PM Author: Kenneth Play imo there's something to that re length: sometimes you just become the dumping ground for a lot of quagmire projects. and a change of scenery gives you a fresh start someplace else (maybe inheriting somebody else's quagmire projects but hey, maybe not, and at least it'll be different) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48538466) |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 8:50 AM Author: ,.,.,.,........,....,,,.. There’s a lot to be said for no one knowing your name. Takes several months before you become visible again and you’re paid the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48539346) |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 8:57 AM Author: richard clock (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48539358) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 5:36 PM Author: :;:;;;:;:;;;:;:;:;:; I work like 25 hours a week. $500K all-in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537702) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 5:46 PM Author: '"'"'"''" Are you hiring? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48537739) |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 1:00 PM Author: :;:;;;:;:;;;:;:;:;:; We have enough pumos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48539916) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 7:39 PM Author: turtledood Not chill at all. Always leading big deals. Managing projects. Dealing with miscellaneous fires. Managing teams / people.
That said, thoroughly enjoy it and would thoroughly hate being at a firm. |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 7:41 PM Author: turtledood The above being said, I only work 40-45 hours / week. And basically never on the weekend or in the evenings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48550321) |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 7:37 AM Author: Justice for Armpit and Blanket! No longer in-house, but when I was, it was kind of wretched because after a salesdood took over CEO, corp management started to think of legal as a cost center. Arguments like "I'm saving you $40 million by working out this shitty dealer who was using us as his working capital facility" aren't intelligible to salesdoods who only think about the top line and don't know what a cost of capital is.
I wound up doing a lot of what external counsel should have been doing bc I had to make my own numbers look better, and that meant a lot of really long days of research and structuring, followed by distro to external counsel, followed by "yeah okay we're signed off, p.s. that will be $50k for the signature." Not worth it for comp of ~$260k (albeit in lower COL area than biglaw.) Left for greener pastures as soon as I could. The only good part was that I had to build many skills and so much experience that I worked up a big title and deal record, and it wasn't too hard to leave. |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 8:00 AM Author: Fucking Fuckface Generally the nature of the work is way better unless you're one of those people who get off on raw deal numbers or "complexity(!!)". You actually do things that feel meaningful and aren't parasitic.
The amount of work varies a ton company to company. Your level and focus are the primary predictors, as well as the nature and size of the company (public, private, PE, sub $500 n revenue, multi-billion revenue, etc.).
Current gig is not chill and due to commercial leadership failures, the comp will be terrible for the level I'm at. If we hit targets it would be ok (nearly 500 cash and 250 - 333 annual equity accrued to be paid out on a liquidity event). I have no confidence in my commercial leaders and will leave soon if possible.
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Date: January 10th, 2025 8:45 AM Author: ADA-compliant Monkey Bars Very chill on average with like two weeks of intense work per quarter. Zero weekends and truly 8-5 with 90-minutes at the gym. Four to five hours of real work per day.
Hardest thing I do is draft bespoke agreements. Most mind-numbing thing is corporate governance. |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 12:27 PM Author: snk neo geo Hella chill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48539813) |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 12:40 PM Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,, I work at generic F500. Comp is $250 base plus 25% bonus. I consider this to be a really good salary for flyover.
It's a pretty standard 9-5, and by that I mean everyone works like 4 hours a day, spend 2 hours a day on calls i half pay attention to, and spend 2 hours just dicking around gossiping. Usually people stop working about noon on Fridays if not busy.
It's a lot better than big law because you're not redlining some 200 page agreement just to show you read the fucking section. Like I might ask the client if we can use the other party's pictures or if we need to run it by the other party, I'm not spending 10 drafts going back and fortha s to wheter its a "worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license" or any of that other shit that makes that section 2 pages in some documents.
For the most part we just think about the term, indemnification provisions, and payment - and then actually take a minute to think about what might actually go wrong on the deal. |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 1:01 PM Author: ADA-compliant Monkey Bars I think the main thing BigLaw bros don’t get is the volume of work. You might have 12-40 active projects at any one time. My group churns several hundred agreements per quarter but only 25 of them are non-routine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48539918) |
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Date: January 10th, 2025 12:46 PM Author: Fyre festival founder When it’s very busy like 50 hours a week (maybe 5 or 6 weeks like that). Otherwise it’s typically like a very chill 35 hours a week and I’m fully WFH. I don’t make shit though but I can’t leave because it’s fully remote and those are rare now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48539863) |
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Date: January 11th, 2025 12:46 AM Author: ,.,.,.,........,....,,,.. Most of us seem stuck at our current gigs not because of the remote thing but because hiring seems way down. Not many are getting laid off but the days of easily getting a 300k plus in-house gigs seem to be over. When someone leaves, which is rare because there’s nowhere to go, there’s either no backfill or they hire someone cheaper. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48542046) |
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Date: January 11th, 2025 7:50 AM Author: richard clock sadly cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48542380) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 10:06 AM Author: Kenneth Play is this what other ppl are seeing as the state of in-house hiring rn? it seems to me that this has always been sort of a knock on in-house, that advancement is opaque/uncertain (vs law firms with lockstep seniority increases), and that you can't really make any money unless you're a GC, unless at true megacorps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48548453) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 11:33 AM Author: richard clock yes, hiring is way down. a few years ago, recruiters were knocking down doors of anyone in house with tons of opportunities. these days, crickets. obviously advancement is going to be a crapshoot in a small legal department compared to a law firm designed to mint a certain number of new partners per year. in house you need to either have the right timing for someone else to retire to give you a shot, or you have to be willing to move every few years if you want to climb the ladder. but with hiring down, the latter option is harder these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48548706) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 1:02 PM Author: Kenneth Play :( ty. yes from what i've seen, a few bros have actually gone back to law firms, especially ones with families needing to stack that cash (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48548913) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 6:33 PM Author: '"'"'"''" Are you making at least $250k? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48553438) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 7:42 PM Author: chilmata lol I worked about 2 hours a day on average. It was depressing actually. Black wife expected me to help her out with the kids throughout the day: put them down for naps, changed their diapers, take them for walks, feed them, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48550328) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 7:51 PM Author: the place where there is no darkness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48550360) |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 7:53 PM Author: turtledood "Black wife expected me to help her out with the kids throughout the day"
Problem here is that you did WFH. Wouldnt have been a problem if you were in an office -- or just did WeWork and told your wife you worked the whole time. |
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Date: January 13th, 2025 7:54 PM Author: N904PD Listen just because I’m in the house working in house doesn’t mean I’m in da house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48550375) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 7:14 PM Author: chilmata When I interviewed for my family law job in Santa Rosa the first thing that came out of my mouth was, "I'm done with working from home, I need to get back into an office." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48553507) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 10:24 AM Author: Kenneth Play many such cases. the most hardcore in-office guys are fathers with a bunch of kids at home and an insane wife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48554657) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 6:38 PM Author: the boy toy 20 hours a week; about $700k all in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48553447) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 10:24 AM Author: Kenneth Play lol flame. sounds chill though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48554658) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 11:45 AM Author: '"'"'"''" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5661555&forum_id=2#48554914) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 11:53 AM Author: ...,,...,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,., $300k all in plus RSUs in a $B startup - if we go public those RSUs will certainly be worth $1M+.
Probably do 5-6 hours of real work a day. Never work past 5pm or on the weekends. 100% WFH. |