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2L Grades and perm. offers

does anyone actually know someone who didn't get an offer
hideous talking plaza
  05/03/10
i hear gibson dunn cares mucho about the grades
Sickened old irish cottage set
  05/03/10
stfu
Mauve Telephone School
  05/03/10
how did your 2L grades go down so much. isn't there an easi...
Silver Public Bath
  05/03/10
rofl, class rank is all that matters plus if you do very ...
Mauve Telephone School
  05/03/10
they didn't go down a ton, but assume a firm that cares as m...
hideous talking plaza
  05/03/10
the easier curve thing is pretty exaggerated. most schools ...
Alcoholic legend
  05/03/10
...
Iridescent station
  09/07/10
most firms don't give a shit - they don't even request trans...
Curious Field Faggotry
  05/03/10
Yeah, my firm never asked.
ivory stage mexican
  05/03/10
according to some former clerks, this firm does ask. how mu...
hideous talking plaza
  05/03/10
All I know is the work you do will say more about...the work...
ivory stage mexican
  05/03/10
which firm is this? i might be able to give you specific inf...
Sickened old irish cottage set
  05/03/10
don't really want to risk it. any specific examples will su...
hideous talking plaza
  05/03/10
yeah, i know specific examples of many firms. that's why im ...
Sickened old irish cottage set
  05/03/10
thanks FRIEND - smallest GPA difference b/n 1l and 2l you kn...
hideous talking plaza
  05/03/10
not gonna say unless i know the firm. this is useless otherw...
Sickened old irish cottage set
  05/03/10
v50
hideous talking plaza
  05/03/10
whoa ok. Unless it's munger or irell, i dont know. i was thi...
Sickened old irish cottage set
  05/03/10
what about for those two
Indecent 180 hairy legs
  05/03/10
if variance is more than .2, ur fucked.
Sickened old irish cottage set
  05/03/10
overall or per year? i thought both these firms have over 90...
Indecent 180 hairy legs
  05/03/10
overall
Sickened old irish cottage set
  05/03/10
thanks
Indecent 180 hairy legs
  05/03/10
how do you know what your grades are?
Sick Azure Son Of Senegal Personal Credit Line
  05/03/10
know 1st semester, assuming the worst this semester (althoug...
hideous talking plaza
  05/03/10
enjoy your gibson dunn no offer!
Medicated bawdyhouse marketing idea
  05/03/10
what kind of drop are we talking about here? 3.7 1L to 3.5 ...
Silver Public Bath
  05/03/10
not even that much.
hideous talking plaza
  05/03/10
ROFL!
Mauve Telephone School
  05/03/10
wtf you're fine
excitant disturbing hissy fit gas station
  09/07/10
this thread is such a failure
Curious Field Faggotry
  05/03/10
glad you approve.
hideous talking plaza
  05/03/10
all the outing shit really killed on-topic discussion. i saw...
excitant disturbing hissy fit gas station
  05/03/10
My grades went WAY down. We'll see what happens.
razzle-dazzle cobalt doctorate
  05/03/10
you will be in shitlaw
Mauve Telephone School
  05/03/10
...
razzle-dazzle cobalt doctorate
  09/07/10
Choosing between a few firms for next summer, including GDC....
Iridescent station
  09/07/10
I tend to think this GDC phenomenon is greatly exaggerated.
Jet-lagged violet clown stag film
  09/07/10
as long as you get top 1/3 2L year you should be fine.
Silver Public Bath
  09/07/10
just have to show that you haven't totally given up. I know...
Aphrodisiac main people sanctuary
  09/07/10
As in they were only top 35% or so for their 2L and 3L years...
Iridescent station
  09/07/10
What if you are already below median and a firm makes you a ...
hairraiser newt kitty
  09/07/10
um, what?
Jet-lagged violet clown stag film
  09/07/10
A firm makes an SA offer to you. You are below median. Take ...
hairraiser newt kitty
  09/07/10
Most firms don't care about 2L grades. If they hired you as...
Jet-lagged violet clown stag film
  09/07/10
k, ty
hairraiser newt kitty
  09/07/10
That applies to most BigLaw firms, at least- I can's speak f...
Jet-lagged violet clown stag film
  09/07/10
I am talking about BIGLAW.
hairraiser newt kitty
  09/07/10
I heard of one firm (v100) that told person he/she had to br...
comical shaky psychic liquid oxygen
  09/07/10
Aprox rank?
hairraiser newt kitty
  09/07/10
I'm guessing that person had some seriously shitty grades (C...
Jet-lagged violet clown stag film
  09/07/10


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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:20 PM
Author: hideous talking plaza
Subject: does anyone actually know someone who didn't get an offer

Because of 2L grades? Mine didn't go down a ton - It's not like I rocked straigt B's or anything - but they certainly did go down a bit. Summer clerkship is at a firm that supposedly DOES care about 2L grades, especially if you believe the XOXO minions.

Any anicdotes about someone who didn't get a permanent offer specifically because of their grades? If so, how much of a drop in GPA/percentile caused it. TYIA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894875)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:22 PM
Author: Sickened old irish cottage set

i hear gibson dunn cares mucho about the grades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894885)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:24 PM
Author: Mauve Telephone School

stfu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894894)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:25 PM
Author: Silver Public Bath

how did your 2L grades go down so much. isn't there an easier curve than 1L

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894899)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:29 PM
Author: Mauve Telephone School

rofl, class rank is all that matters

plus if you do very well 1L your GPA barely gets easier to maintain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894924)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:29 PM
Author: hideous talking plaza

they didn't go down a ton, but assume a firm that cares as much (at least reportedly) about grades as GDC. Any actual stories of autoding grade fail in this scenario?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894927)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 2:26 PM
Author: Alcoholic legend

the easier curve thing is pretty exaggerated. most schools just eliminate mandatory B- or whatever and leave the curve otherwise the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895684)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 7:05 PM
Author: Iridescent station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15989314)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:28 PM
Author: Curious Field Faggotry

most firms don't give a shit - they don't even request transcripts oftentimes. there was a big thread on this recently - search "2L grades".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894919)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:28 PM
Author: ivory stage mexican

Yeah, my firm never asked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894921)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:30 PM
Author: hideous talking plaza

according to some former clerks, this firm does ask. how much it matters is what I'm trying to figure out. I'm also attempting to see if the GPA fail is really a myth, or if it only matters if your GPA/rank goes down substantially.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894935)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:32 PM
Author: ivory stage mexican

All I know is the work you do will say more about...the work you are able to do than grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894949)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:32 PM
Author: Sickened old irish cottage set

which firm is this? i might be able to give you specific info. type itin then edit out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894952)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:34 PM
Author: hideous talking plaza

don't really want to risk it. any specific examples will suffice, I'll draw my own conclusions. The problem is I hear a lot of "oh, they really care about grades", but haven't been able to track down any specific examples of clerks getting now offered b/c of grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894969)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:35 PM
Author: Sickened old irish cottage set

yeah, i know specific examples of many firms. that's why im asking.

im here to help you mang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894983)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:36 PM
Author: hideous talking plaza

thanks FRIEND - smallest GPA difference b/n 1l and 2l you know of that resulted in no-offer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894993)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:37 PM
Author: Sickened old irish cottage set

not gonna say unless i know the firm. this is useless otherwise. vault rage at least?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895004)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:43 PM
Author: hideous talking plaza

v50

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895056)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:50 PM
Author: Sickened old irish cottage set

whoa ok. Unless it's munger or irell, i dont know. i was thinking V10 or V15 or something..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895109)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:58 PM
Author: Indecent 180 hairy legs

what about for those two

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895144)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:59 PM
Author: Sickened old irish cottage set

if variance is more than .2, ur fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895161)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 1:04 PM
Author: Indecent 180 hairy legs

overall or per year? i thought both these firms have over 90% offer rates. are ALL the no-offers due to grades?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895186)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 1:07 PM
Author: Sickened old irish cottage set

overall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895204)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 1:08 PM
Author: Indecent 180 hairy legs

thanks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895213)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:34 PM
Author: Sick Azure Son Of Senegal Personal Credit Line

how do you know what your grades are?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894963)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:35 PM
Author: hideous talking plaza

know 1st semester, assuming the worst this semester (although, honestly, I think I'll do better than last semester)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894984)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:35 PM
Author: Medicated bawdyhouse marketing idea

enjoy your gibson dunn no offer!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14894985)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:42 PM
Author: Silver Public Bath

what kind of drop are we talking about here? 3.7 1L to 3.5 2L?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895052)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:45 PM
Author: hideous talking plaza

not even that much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895072)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:48 PM
Author: Mauve Telephone School

ROFL!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895089)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:28 PM
Author: excitant disturbing hissy fit gas station

wtf you're fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990433)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:42 PM
Author: Curious Field Faggotry

this thread is such a failure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895055)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:44 PM
Author: hideous talking plaza

glad you approve.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895066)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:46 PM
Author: excitant disturbing hissy fit gas station

all the outing shit really killed on-topic discussion. i saw a pumo the other day who wouldn't give his school range. a pumo!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895081)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 12:59 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle cobalt doctorate

My grades went WAY down. We'll see what happens.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895160)



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Date: May 3rd, 2010 1:08 PM
Author: Mauve Telephone School

you will be in shitlaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#14895209)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 8:50 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle cobalt doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990073)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 7:23 PM
Author: Iridescent station

Choosing between a few firms for next summer, including GDC. How much of a drop in grades is tolerated? Assume right around top 10% as 1L.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15989456)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 7:28 PM
Author: Jet-lagged violet clown stag film

I tend to think this GDC phenomenon is greatly exaggerated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15989498)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 7:28 PM
Author: Silver Public Bath

as long as you get top 1/3 2L year you should be fine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15989500)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 7:35 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac main people sanctuary

just have to show that you haven't totally given up. I know plenty who dropped top 10% 1L and graduated top 25% and nothing happened to their offers.

now if you drop from top 10 to median...well there may be hell to pay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15989546)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 7:57 PM
Author: Iridescent station

As in they were only top 35% or so for their 2L and 3L years?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15989739)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:07 PM
Author: hairraiser newt kitty

What if you are already below median and a firm makes you a SA offer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990216)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:11 PM
Author: Jet-lagged violet clown stag film

um, what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990258)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:12 PM
Author: hairraiser newt kitty

A firm makes an SA offer to you. You are below median. Take said offer. Remain below median 2L year. No offered?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990274)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:13 PM
Author: Jet-lagged violet clown stag film

Most firms don't care about 2L grades. If they hired you as an SA, and they traditionally make near-100% offers, chances are that grades do not factor into the decision unless you really fuck up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990289)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:15 PM
Author: hairraiser newt kitty

k, ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990315)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:16 PM
Author: Jet-lagged violet clown stag film

That applies to most BigLaw firms, at least- I can's speak for any other employers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990328)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:22 PM
Author: hairraiser newt kitty

I am talking about BIGLAW.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990394)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:47 PM
Author: comical shaky psychic liquid oxygen

I heard of one firm (v100) that told person he/she had to bring up their grades 3L year or offer would be rescinded. true story.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990616)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 10:17 PM
Author: hairraiser newt kitty

Aprox rank?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990945)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 10:19 PM
Author: Jet-lagged violet clown stag film

I'm guessing that person had some seriously shitty grades (Cs or worse)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1301674&forum_id=2#15990967)