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Date: December 6th, 2007 5:50 PM Author: effete maize hell background story TTT fascists.
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Date: December 6th, 2007 7:55 PM Author: Shimmering violent resort coffee pot STFU, Fag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988782) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 7:58 PM Author: contagious stain forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988803) |
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Date: December 8th, 2007 10:32 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone jet giraffe Subject: science science (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8996741) |
Date: December 6th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: galvanic out-of-control pistol point link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8987996) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 5:54 PM Author: effete maize hell background story 9:30-6 in the office. No matter what.
No link. Call to associates from teh Admin. |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:03 PM Author: galvanic out-of-control pistol point EDIT: 9:30-5pm would not be that bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988073) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:05 PM Author: effete maize hell background story having to be in the office when you dont have any work to do is horseshit. If you are going to be working till midnight no need to show up before 10 unless you have a call or a meeting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988081) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:06 PM Author: galvanic out-of-control pistol point Yeh that does suck. Also if you are one of those people that does any telecommuting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988092) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:07 PM Author: effete maize hell background story seriously. we are supposed to be professionals, not hourly staff.
its sad they cant trust their lawyers to know when they have to be in to get their work done. |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:12 PM Author: galvanic out-of-control pistol point it will reduce morale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988125) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:13 PM Author: effete maize hell background story and they dont even get paid extra prestige points like Cravath. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988129) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 5:51 PM Author: gold juggernaut daniel bruard is a coward (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8987998) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:04 PM Author: Heady Violent Deer Antler this is actually true coming from a friend that's at STB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988079) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:05 PM Author: effete maize hell background story I never lie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988083) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:21 PM Author: Navy senate fortuitous meteor a second vote to confirm.
apparently it has always been firm policy per the employee handbook -- they are just emphasizing it more now.
EXTREMELY TTT. |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:22 PM Author: effete maize hell background story yeah they also have secretaries monitor when you come in and leave. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988197) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:35 PM Author: Curious fat ankles jesus christ, what a nightmare (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988288) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 8:08 PM Author: Hairless bbw center They take roll. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988863) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:33 PM Author: azure deep tanning salon queen of the night Subject: gwerks gwerks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988275) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 6:48 PM Author: galvanic out-of-control pistol point I am guessing the latter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988369) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 9:07 PM Author: dark locus faggot firefighter they've always had secretaries playing the role of stasi at least for summer associates. this is just stepping it up a notch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8989171) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 7:49 PM Author: concupiscible stage LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Absolutely fucking TTT. |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 8:03 PM Author: Big Piazza Kitty there are versions of this at many other firms; usually better executed, though (e.g., a 9:30 call "just so we now where you are" and no requirement on the other end of the day will tend to accomplish the same objectives) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8988831) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 9:10 PM Author: concupiscible stage Yes, there are plenty of TTT firms. Usually top firms don't pull shit like this, though.
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Date: December 6th, 2007 8:07 PM Author: snowy razzmatazz depressive location anyone working biglaw can imagine how much THAT SUCKS!
that alone is an autoding for STB. i can't imagine that. seriously terrible. i'd rather they dock my pay by $10k.
the best feeling in the world is getting done with a deal and going in late and going home early until you're restaffed.
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Date: December 6th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: dark locus faggot firefighter wow i cant believe they thought this was a good idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8989105) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: ruddy apoplectic indian lodge factory reset button that is fucking absurd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8989143) |
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Date: December 6th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: azure deep tanning salon queen of the night Subject: gwerks gwerks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8989145) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 2:50 AM Author: motley crackhouse Friend confirmed this to me too. I really doubt it has anything to do with overhiring. More likely that some associates with nothing to do decided to chill outside the office and weren't around when somebody tried to give them work. If this happens more than once then the assigning attorney/staff person can get pissed, prompting one of these email reminders. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991235) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:02 AM Author: galvanic out-of-control pistol point What practice are you in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991264) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:06 AM Author: motley crackhouse I'm not permanently in a specific group yet and I haven't done very much work of any type so far anyway. But I plan to do mostly/all transactional work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991272) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:11 AM Author: galvanic out-of-control pistol point Have the hours gotten bad yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991277) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:22 AM Author: motley crackhouse I did some pretty long hours a little while ago but only because I voluntarily took on an assignment that I thought was interesting. Haven't taken on anything since then and it's been pretty chill. Still manage to bill maybe two hours a day on average. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991283) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:41 AM Author: Trip Turquoise Wrinkle What is transactional bitchwork/associate work like aside from due diligence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991315) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 12:42 PM Author: motley crackhouse http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=444939&mc=88&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8992244) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:04 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone jet giraffe Subject: science science (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991268) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:18 AM Author: motley crackhouse Do you know how this works? Attorney needs another associate to get some research done or some document drafted. Assigning person (who knows that you haven't been billing much and/or are not currently busy) calls you or sends the email saying, "Stop by X's office in 5 minutes to discuss this project" or some variation thereof. If it's like 2pm, it's not so cool to email back and be like "Uh okay but it'll have to be in 30 minutes because I need to get to the office first." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991279) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:22 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone jet giraffe Subject: science science (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991282) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:30 AM Author: motley crackhouse Hey, I'm definitely taking advantage of the slow times too, but that doesn't mean that the work you're already doing can be done at a slower pace. There's still deadlines, client pressures, etc. and you can't be just like, The market is slow so we're just working slower.
I have only a vague understanding of how STB's assignment system works. At my firm, I don't think we do much calling on specific associates for specific projects, but I think STB does more of this. Anyway my point was that if you were in charge of staffing a somewhat urgent project and you had a short list of prospective associates, you'd get pretty annoyed the second or third time somebody told you that they were out of the office during business hours and couldn't meet right away. |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:37 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone jet giraffe Subject: science science (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991310) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:46 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone jet giraffe Subject: science science (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991326) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:05 AM Author: galvanic out-of-control pistol point Isn't this why attorneys have blackberries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991270) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:20 AM Author: motley crackhouse See above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991281) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 5:02 AM Author: dark locus faggot firefighter sorry this is absurd. they can email and say yo, call asap. thats what blackberries are for. at my firm and many others it is fine not to be at your desk if you dont have anything to do, but you can be sure work will come around the corner quickly. assignment coordinators dont know if youre at a conference call or at the pub anyway (unless your stasi trained secretary rats on you), no reason they cant email (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991486) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 5:07 AM Author: effete maize hell background story I agree.
Problem is all it takes is one senior partner getting pissed off cause his favorite associate is sleeping in or watching an early movie cause he thought he had nothing to do.
Partner bitches and suddenly policy has to change ruining it for everyone. |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:19 AM Author: Diverse Gaming Laptop Cruise Ship If the cutoff was 10AM, and there were exceptions for extenuating circumstances, I'd understand it better.
But seriously: You're doing most of your work with one or two partners, for the most part. If they don't give a fuck, why should it matter? Face time requirements should depend on who you're working with, not firm policy bullshit. Unless you're hiding out to avoid work, what's the issue? |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:32 AM Author: soggy newt sex offender Did they choose not to send an e-mail thinking it would get posted here/ATL? Anyone have anything in writing from STB? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991302) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 4:14 AM Author: Cordovan House Firms do this when they have either drastically overhired or taken on too much work.
When they have overhired and associates duck out because partners aren't giving them work, the firm needs a face time requirement to ensure that the still-busy associates don't fume when their co-workers take three hour lunches with the girlfriend and then fuck them at home two hours later.
Firms overloaded with work demand face time to prevent associates from ducking out at certain late-afternoon hours to avoid the rush of partner hand-outs. Yea, you're on track for 2400 hours, but the firm is busy and you need to take on more work. |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 5:11 AM Author: effete maize hell background story Problems with the top down management system. Instead of having management think of a reasonable way to deal with things (like blackberries), one partner overreacts to not having his associate around and admin has to bend over backwards to appease him.
True story at a random V-50 firm in NY. Firm was having a problem with a senior partner sexually harrassing summer associates at summer event after parties. Less supervision from recruiting and he would get drunk and go wild. Instead of someone asking the partner to behave, or to stay away from the events - they just cancelled the after parties completely. |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 5:13 AM Author: dark locus faggot firefighter problem is people have no balls, from partner colleagues to the hr staff. even other partners are intimidated by the alpha partner who would be the type to yell about petty shit like this anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991496) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 5:16 AM Author: effete maize hell background story if I had balls I wouldn't be a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991498) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 5:18 AM Author: dark locus faggot firefighter :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8991500) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 2:37 PM Author: cracking box office round eye Abovethelaw just contradicted this rumor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8992656) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:29 PM Author: effete maize hell background story He's wrong. I know what I am talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8992888) |
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Date: December 8th, 2007 8:46 AM Author: boyish fear-inspiring site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8996633) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:24 PM Author: salmon boiling water bawdyhouse http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/12/a_simpson_thacher_trivia_quiz_1.php#more
Stop spreading rumors you retards. |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:26 PM Author: effete maize hell background story Lat is wrong.
They are in the process of making the calls. |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:50 PM Author: laughsome shrine I have no respect for that guy. He kisses firm ass, but couldn't hack it as a law firm attorney himself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8993040) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 4:19 PM Author: motley crackhouse Not only is Lat wrong, but he didn't even link to the thread/post correctly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8993272) |
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Date: December 7th, 2007 3:46 PM Author: talking sanctuary p.e.b. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8993018) |
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Date: December 8th, 2007 8:32 AM Author: coiffed sandwich You can't possibly be saying that their website isn't up to date???
http://www.stblaw.com/div_w_flexibleworking.htm
"The Firm values attorneys for their talent and the results they obtain for our clients, and does not promote a culture of "busy work" or "face time" for any of its professionals."
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Date: December 8th, 2007 8:34 AM Author: azure deep tanning salon queen of the night Subject: gwerks gwerks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8996628) |
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Date: December 8th, 2007 8:35 AM Author: coiffed sandwich I suppose 1-3rd year associates aren't classified as "professionals" there; wonder if they even get health insurance benefits, surely not dental or vision? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8996630) |
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Date: December 8th, 2007 10:40 AM Author: effete maize hell background story BTW check the ATL correction. I am vindicated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#8996753) |
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Date: December 9th, 2007 11:47 AM Author: razzle-dazzle hospital gunner As a non-STB associate rockin' the 10-6 hours, I say get out while you can. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=727605&forum_id=2#9000996) |