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THE ISLAMIC GOLDEN AGE PWNED THE EUROPEAN DARK AGES
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:34 PM Author: curious carnelian state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age#Philosophy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661546) |
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Date: May 11th, 2012 2:42 AM Author: thirsty ruddy resort marketing idea do you know what ended it?
oh right, mongols and many pgwags were created
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Khwarezmia
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_%281258%29
"Estimates of the number of inhabitants massacred during the invasion range from 100,000 to 1,000,000. The city was sacked and burned. Even the libraries of Baghdad, including the House of Wisdom, were not safe from the attacks of the Ilkhanate forces, who totally destroyed the libraries and used the invaluable books to make a passage across Tigris River[citation needed]. As a result, Baghdad remained depopulated and in ruins for several centuries, and the event is widely regarded as the end of the Islamic Golden Age." |
Date: May 10th, 2012 2:36 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen twist: all the sciencey stuff was done by Persians, not Arabs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661553) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:39 PM Author: curious carnelian state Rate him, brother http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81bir_ibn_Hayy%C4%81n (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661570) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:41 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen 170+
The Persians still have some latent talent today, they have a good arts scene and some very good chess players. It's too bad they went all Islamist and retarded. |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:42 PM Author: curious carnelian state Would you argue that the Persians intellectually superior to the Arabs, both historically and in contemporary times? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661593) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:45 PM Author: Cyan son of senegal yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661612) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:46 PM Author: curious carnelian state Can you give at least two cogent reasons why you feel that way? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661617) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:55 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen Iranians: make oscar winning movies, win chess championships, manufacture their own weapons.
Arabs: use western technology to harvest oil for sale, buy weapons from western countries.
In antiquity the Arabs might have been a little more comparatively advanced, but the basic dynamic was essentially the same. |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:57 PM Author: curious carnelian state Sounds pretty credited. What do you think accounts for the difference? Is it Persian culture? Is there something about Arab culture that perpetuates laziness and a sense of dependency? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661689) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:00 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen Yes, it's cultural. I do not buy the idea that there's a HUGE genetic difference between the two groups. I think that Persian culture emphasizes tact, restraint and art more than Arab culture does. If you read up on Arabs much you'll find that their backwardness is a kind of source of pride for them. They say "we always had lower literacy rates than these other peoples but we conquered them anyway." I can give you a very, very good youtube clip to illustrate this psychology to you if you want me to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661703) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:02 PM Author: curious carnelian state Yes, brother please do.
Why are Arabs more Islamist-leaning then the Persians? Or is it the other way around? |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen Start watching at 26:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nT0ysGFIzs |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:14 PM Author: curious carnelian state Don't u think he is ignoring the classical Islamic Golden Age? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661797) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:21 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen I think the Arabs were more (comparatively, relatively) advanced in the golden age than they are now, but also that Persian, Berbers, Turks and Jews were behind most of the era' scientific advances. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661846) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:26 PM Author: curious carnelian state How come the Persians can't manage to build an atomic bomb? The technology for it is old--like 70 seventy years old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661874) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:45 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen I think they have most of the design components in place, they just need to enrich a certain amount of uranium. My understanding is it's a very long, drawn out process. Plus they got hit with computer viruses and shit.
And they did manage to invent some pretty good homemade drones, apparently. So they have SOME manufacturing capacity, which is frankly better than what they Arabs can say at this point. |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:17 PM Author: Deep Messiness Persians are far more likely to be secular IME. Rarely meet persians who are fanatical about Islam- it's mostly the proles in Iran who care about religion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661821) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:21 PM Author: curious carnelian state Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661845) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:33 PM Author: curious carnelian state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661918) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 5:24 PM Author: curious carnelian state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978245) |
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Date: July 18th, 2012 10:54 AM Author: curious carnelian state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#21114232) |
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Date: July 24th, 2012 4:33 PM Author: curious carnelian state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#21164230) |
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Date: July 30th, 2012 2:11 PM Author: curious carnelian state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#21214785) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:47 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen Hmmmm...
That's kind of a tough one.
Although I believe that credit has to be given mostly to the people the Arabs conquered for the scientific advances of the Islamic golden age, I'm not sure it's because the Arabs are less smart, it could just be that Arabs are more interested in the social and religious side of things. Arabs deserve serious credit for the way they governed at the time when the Catholic church would have banned any idea that went against Church doctrie.
So in sum I believe that Islamic civilization was a hugely important, positive development in antiquity which Arabs deserve credit for. Persians, on the other hand, deserve credit for way more individual scientific advances than the Arabs do, but not for creating this global scene in which science could thrive.
So it's kind of hard to say really. |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:47 PM Author: curious carnelian state Can you expand a little on your final sentence in first paragraph. Thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661630) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:49 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen When the Arabs took over a place, they basically said "you can say whatever the fuck you want to about the earth, the stars, animals, etc, just don't question Islamic metaphysics."
So under the Arabs, bros could pursue science *ALMOST* as much as they wanted to.
Not so under the Catholic Church. You had to fall in line even with the Church's position on the physical world. That was TTT. |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:52 PM Author: curious carnelian state Do you think classical Islamic philosophy was too wedded to Aristotelian logic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661663) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:56 PM Author: floppy pearl double fault kitchen Yes, they took him as too much of an authority and were not critical enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661688) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:04 PM Author: curious carnelian state What explains the lack of Persians and Arabs nowadays to amass the intellectual progression that they were known for during their Golden Age? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661735) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2012 11:07 AM Author: curious carnelian state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#21249031) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:45 PM Author: stubborn rigor community account So the pinnacle of one society is worse than the lowest of another. Tell me more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661605) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 2:46 PM Author: curious carnelian state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661622) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:39 PM Author: Effete drab ape jew Why did the Arabs get pwned at the Battle of Tours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661959) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:43 PM Author: curious carnelian state The battle pitted Frankish and Burgundian forces under Austrasian Mayor of the Palace Charles Martel, against an army of the Umayyad Caliphate led by ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, Governor-General of al-Andalus. The Franks were victorious, ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi was killed, and Charles subsequently extended his authority in the south. Ninth-century chroniclers, who interpreted the outcome of the battle as divine judgment in his favour, gave Charles the nickname Martellus ("The Hammer"), possibly recalling Judas Maccabeus ("The Hammerer") of the Maccabean revolt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20661994) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:53 PM Author: Effete drab ape jew Right. Charles Martel wasn't even ROYALTY at that point. He was just some random doofus who worked as a civil servant/military commander for the local Merovingians. The Franks were illiterate slobs ruled by a fractured dynasty and they still pwned the molems HARD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20662075) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:56 PM Author: curious carnelian state How prestigious are the Muslim accomplishments in their Golden Age? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20662098) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:58 PM Author: Effete drab ape jew http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1899312&mc=39&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20662106) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 4:00 PM Author: curious carnelian state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81bir_ibn_Hayy%C4%81n
sorry breh |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 11:26 PM Author: Effete drab ape jew "According to Jabir's mercury-sulfur theory, metals differ from each in so far as they contain different proportions of the sulfur and mercury. These are not the elements that we know by those names, but certain principles to which those elements are the closest approximation in nature.[23]"
WTF this guy sounds worthless. |
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Date: June 29th, 2012 12:35 PM Author: Diverse high-end giraffe 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20983477) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 3:58 PM Author: Sadistic crimson institution ladyboy You seem unfamiliar with the terms "Golden Age" and "Dark Ages." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20662107) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 4:00 PM Author: curious carnelian state Care to explain, brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20662127) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 4:03 PM Author: Sadistic crimson institution ladyboy You know what? No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20662149) |
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Date: May 10th, 2012 4:05 PM Author: curious carnelian state Is something wrong? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20662170) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 5:46 PM Author: adventurous fishy place of business locus I read that mongols never had much success in russia. when they occupied most of russia there were still russian pirates that robbed them along the volga all the time. the only reason they even occupied russia was because at the time a prince from 1 russian province could invade his brother's province just because he wanted to fuck his brother's wife. they did not have this level of disorder in Novgorod, so mongols were unable to invade it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978347) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:05 PM Author: Effete drab ape jew There used to be these really fearsome nomads on the Russian steppes called pechenegs. They were horse archers like the Mongols and they used to pwn the fuck out of armies that passed through there. The Kievan Rus were basically vikings and they had a hell of a time fighting the pechenegs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978440) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:06 PM Author: light point dog poop islamic golden age produced nothing. zero. zip. zilch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978448) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:16 PM Author: curious carnelian state Thoughts on Hamas? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978507) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:23 PM Author: curious carnelian state What about Bashar Al-Assad? U support him or want to seem him out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978549) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:24 PM Author: Coral Corn Cake Casino dude is actually my distant cousin, and i would really like to seem him run out of town on a rail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978553) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:25 PM Author: curious carnelian state How MAF would be that the Persians would get a nuclear weapon before u fucktard Arabs do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978557) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:26 PM Author: Coral Corn Cake Casino dude i am an arab and even i would be happy to see persians get a nuke before we do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978567) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:27 PM Author: curious carnelian state lol @ your self-hating intellectually inferior culture. Are u eating your shitty hummus with your shitty shawarma yet while im pounding this Palestinian Gazan chick begging for my Persian cock? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978574) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:28 PM Author: Coral Corn Cake Casino yeah dude. i'm an arab and i'll be the first guy to admit that persians totally pwn arabs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978577) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:33 PM Author: curious carnelian state U like Arab girls or white girls? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978605) |
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Date: June 28th, 2012 6:38 PM Author: curious carnelian state How ir8 were you to hear are Muslim President win 2day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1945230&forum_id=2#20978641) |
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