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Maryland Dad’s lawyers move for severe sanctions against the Trump Administrat

I do hope they get them as Trump has behaved like a cunt thr...
frisky know-it-all shrine
  06/12/25
how is deporting a criminal gang member “being a cunt&...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
...
Razzle indirect expression queen of the night
  06/12/25
its 180. its not like theyre meekly or quietly on the side o...
fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university
  06/12/25
Why did you think he was never coming back?
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
why do you want him back?
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
Why did you think he was never coming back?
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
he's going be sent back to el sal or gitmo and there's nothi...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
Why did you think he was never coming back?
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
why did you think he was coming back "in less than 30 d...
Frum translucent nursing home
  06/12/25
Why did you think he was never coming back?
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
why did you think he was coming back "in less than 30 d...
Frum translucent nursing home
  06/12/25
This turned into a gunnerattt free thread at lightning speed...
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
why did you think he was coming back "in less than 30 d...
Frum translucent nursing home
  06/12/25
It was a random guess. Why did you think he was never coming...
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
i was gone for an hour based on the timestamps you schizo ch...
fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university
  06/12/25
Where'd those two pumos go?
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
theyre my alts and i logged out of them to respond on my mai...
fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university
  06/12/25
My question was directed at the pumos, not you
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
by responding and directing the question towards me? (i.e. &...
fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university
  06/12/25
Where did those two pumos go?
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
I was hoaping Maryland Dad would have been fatally murdered...
Spruce Deep Fortuitous Meteor
  06/12/25
🚨 obeezy alert 🤡
Thriller sepia native
  06/12/25
holy shit a sanctions motion! thanks for bringing thing huge...
fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university
  06/12/25
lmao he's such a retarded porch monkey
Razzle indirect expression queen of the night
  06/12/25
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rebellious soul-stirring heaven useless brakes
  06/12/25
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Floppy stag film
  06/12/25
You won't take my bet http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?t...
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
as in the defendant himself? sure, ill take that bet. if ...
fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university
  06/12/25
his last prediction was that the Maryland Man would be retur...
Frum translucent nursing home
  06/12/25
I mean the government. I bet the government gets sanctioned ...
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
because sanctions can include anything from a verbal fingerw...
fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university
  06/12/25
You never took my bet
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
because i agree that its possible that they'll be sanctioned...
fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university
  06/12/25
Taking bets on whether they get sanctions. I say they do ...
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
gunnerattt won't take my bet
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
you lost the bet last time
Frum translucent nursing home
  06/12/25
Then why won't you take my bet?
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
what bet?
Frum translucent nursing home
  06/12/25
gunnerattt your turn
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
They are asking for DISCOVERY sanctions to be clear lol I...
wine casino
  06/12/25
As opposed to what? A final ruling on the merits?
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
Deporting him in violation of court order Defying court ...
wine casino
  06/12/25
Getting expedited discovery on the US State Department is ju...
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
lol at anyone caring about lawfare cumfarter bullshit you in...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
Cope
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
trump can just tell them to fuck off and send him to whereve...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
Cope
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
...
awkward cruise ship
  06/12/25
...
Razzle indirect expression queen of the night
  06/12/25
https://i.imgur.com/dXFtduc.png
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
cr if you’re sanctioned for discovery violations becau...
frisky know-it-all shrine
  06/12/25
these "courts" have all been discredited. no one ...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
btw tomorrow is the hearing on whether the govt can hold in ...
frisky know-it-all shrine
  06/12/25
going to bat for a criminal sex trafficker and reminding eve...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
His knuckle tattoos are enough, according to the Government
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
Don’t forget about his Chicago Bulls hoodie
frisky know-it-all shrine
  06/12/25
everyone who wears "hoodies" also should be assume...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHJJwKnXsAc3qsp.jpg:large
frisky know-it-all shrine
  06/12/25
nigger hoodies obviously. athlesiure that whites wear is fin...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
what about this? https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/orig...
frisky know-it-all shrine
  06/12/25
you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile who suffers fro...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
well known gang tattoos are a good indicator of gang affilia...
Abusive passionate piazza half-breed
  06/12/25
i am a maryland dad
lake theater
  06/12/25
with a history of dv just like the og maryland dad. depor...
fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university
  06/12/25
Can you get discovery on the US State Department? Will State...
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
gunnerattt thinks they have a strong argument
Vengeful chapel
  06/12/25
To be fair, "THANCTIONTH!!!!"
Floppy stag film
  06/12/25
https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1936915841498640684?s=46
frisky know-it-all shrine
  06/22/25


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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:25 AM
Author: frisky know-it-all shrine

I do hope they get them as Trump has behaved like a cunt throughout this entire ordeal

https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1933078863988269239?s=46

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.195.0.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007736)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:56 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

how is deporting a criminal gang member “being a cunt”? And why do you still think you can do this lawfare bullshit without everyone just telling you to fuck off?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007767)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:03 AM
Author: Razzle indirect expression queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007776)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:07 AM
Author: fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university

its 180. its not like theyre meekly or quietly on the side of this nonsense. they are melting down over it. its like trans and woke shit where getting them spiraling on this shit just further alienates them from ordinary people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007781)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:08 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Why did you think he was never coming back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007782)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:42 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

why do you want him back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007835)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:00 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Why did you think he was never coming back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007880)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:01 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

he's going be sent back to el sal or gitmo and there's nothing lawfags can do about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007883)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:02 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Why did you think he was never coming back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007885)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:01 AM
Author: Frum translucent nursing home

why did you think he was coming back "in less than 30 days"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007884)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:02 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Why did you think he was never coming back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007887)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:05 AM
Author: Frum translucent nursing home

why did you think he was coming back "in less than 30 days"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007894)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:06 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

This turned into a gunnerattt free thread at lightning speed. Now it's two pumos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007897)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:17 AM
Author: Frum translucent nursing home

why did you think he was coming back "in less than 30 days"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007917)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:18 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

It was a random guess. Why did you think he was never coming back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007918)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:34 AM
Author: fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university

i was gone for an hour based on the timestamps you schizo chink. some of us have a job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007958)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:51 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Where'd those two pumos go?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007998)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:55 AM
Author: fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university

theyre my alts and i logged out of them to respond on my main of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008009)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

My question was directed at the pumos, not you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008047)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:30 AM
Author: fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university

by responding and directing the question towards me? (i.e. "where'd those two pumos go?" not "where did you go pumos?")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008109)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 12:26 PM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Where did those two pumos go?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008428)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 12:14 PM
Author: Spruce Deep Fortuitous Meteor

I was hoaping Maryland Dad would have been fatally murdered to death in his third world prison.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008402)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:13 AM
Author: Thriller sepia native

🚨 obeezy alert 🤡

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008057)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:35 AM
Author: fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university

holy shit a sanctions motion! thanks for bringing thing huge news to our attention WLMAS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007747)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:03 AM
Author: Razzle indirect expression queen of the night

lmao he's such a retarded porch monkey

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007777)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:25 AM
Author: rebellious soul-stirring heaven useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008277)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:49 PM
Author: Floppy stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49009647)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:09 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

You won't take my bet

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736586&mc=1&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007784)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:23 AM
Author: fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university

as in the defendant himself? sure, ill take that bet.

if you mean the prosecutors, sure they might get bench slapped but i doubt they will individually be sanctioned in any material way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007808)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:36 AM
Author: Frum translucent nursing home

his last prediction was that the Maryland Man would be returned back to the US in less than 30 days. When that didn't happen, he completely ignored the issue. Now he wants you to make another bet with him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007824)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:38 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

I mean the government. I bet the government gets sanctioned and you won't take my bet. You'll spam a wall of gibberish instead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007825)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:31 AM
Author: fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university

because sanctions can include anything from a verbal fingerwagging to losing your law license. i think its possible the former will happen, doubtful that anything material will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007947)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:50 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

You never took my bet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007996)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:04 AM
Author: fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university

because i agree that its possible that they'll be sanctioned in some form, as i just said

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008029)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:09 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Taking bets on whether they get sanctions. I say they do

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736586&mc=1&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007783)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:40 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

gunnerattt won't take my bet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007832)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:42 AM
Author: Frum translucent nursing home

you lost the bet last time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007836)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Then why won't you take my bet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007839)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:46 AM
Author: Frum translucent nursing home

what bet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007844)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:50 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

gunnerattt your turn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007851)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:20 AM
Author: wine casino

They are asking for DISCOVERY sanctions to be clear lol

I guess the whole sanctions for being sent to Alcatraz will come next

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007806)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:44 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

As opposed to what? A final ruling on the merits?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007840)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:56 AM
Author: wine casino

Deporting him in violation of court order

Defying court order to to facilitate return

They are asking for sanctions right now for failing to competently respond to interrogatories. THE JOKE HERE IS THATS IS JUST LIKE BIGLAW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007873)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:58 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Getting expedited discovery on the US State Department is just like BIGLAW? Damn I shoulda done BIGLAW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007877)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:02 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

lol at anyone caring about lawfare cumfarter bullshit you insane fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007886)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:02 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Cope

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007888)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:04 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

trump can just tell them to fuck off and send him to wherever if he wants. this angers you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007890)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:05 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Cope

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007892)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: awkward cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008032)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Razzle indirect expression queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008033)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:11 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

https://i.imgur.com/dXFtduc.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008051)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:05 AM
Author: frisky know-it-all shrine

cr if you’re sanctioned for discovery violations because you repeatedly ignored court’s orders to respond it’s not as bad as if you’re sanctioned for other conduct because…idk, reasons or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008210)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:06 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

these "courts" have all been discredited. no one in this country cares about their dumb bullshit and no one has to listen to them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008221)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 8:47 AM
Author: frisky know-it-all shrine

btw tomorrow is the hearing on whether the govt can hold in him jail pending trial on the trafficking charges. Judge is a black Biden appointee who isn’t going to do Trump any favors given his egregious conduct with respect to this guy, and the magistrate already told DOJ lawyers on Monday that the charges in the trafficking indictment don’t automatically warrant pretrial detention, so Trumpmos better hope the govt has the goods on him. DOJ also had difficulty explaining how he’s a flight risk considering ICE is just going to take him back into custody if court doesn’t grant pretrial detention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007846)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:04 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

going to bat for a criminal sex trafficker and reminding everyone that We all hate jewish lawfare faggots is a great hill to die on. also everyone will totally forget that Newsom set half of LA on fire for no fucking reason.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007889)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:08 AM
Author: Vengeful chapel

His knuckle tattoos are enough, according to the Government

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49007901)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:08 AM
Author: frisky know-it-all shrine

Don’t forget about his Chicago Bulls hoodie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008041)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:08 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

everyone who wears "hoodies" also should be assumed to be a criminal until proven otherwise you mentally retarded jewish pedophile. ask Trayvon Martin's rotted corpse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008234)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:13 AM
Author: frisky know-it-all shrine

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHJJwKnXsAc3qsp.jpg:large

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008248)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:14 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

nigger hoodies obviously. athlesiure that whites wear is fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008251)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:23 AM
Author: frisky know-it-all shrine

what about this?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/050/929/vance.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008272)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile who suffers from severe TDS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008304)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: Abusive passionate piazza half-breed

well known gang tattoos are a good indicator of gang affiliation you nutjob

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008230)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: lake theater

i am a maryland dad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008306)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 11:53 AM
Author: fragrant flickering sweet tailpipe university

with a history of dv just like the og maryland dad.

deport zurich.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008352)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:50 PM
Author: Vengeful chapel

Can you get discovery on the US State Department? Will State Department file a motion to seal? Will it be granted?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49009653)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 12:26 PM
Author: Vengeful chapel

gunnerattt thinks they have a strong argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736581&forum_id=2#49008430)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:49 PM
Author: Floppy stag film

To be fair,

"THANCTIONTH!!!!"

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Date: June 22nd, 2025 7:42 PM
Author: frisky know-it-all shrine

https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1936915841498640684?s=46

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