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HYPO: $3mil (tax free), must eat 4 sticks of butter daily for year

you get 20 off days. you can cook w the butter so long as th...
Navy place of business sanctuary
  07/06/25
I don't even think this would be hard. I'd eat 4-6 butter s...
buff step-uncle's house nibblets
  07/06/25
4 sticks of butter is like 3200 calories and 460 or so grams...
Navy place of business sanctuary
  07/06/25
He’s just rolling with the flame, you would be dead if...
Brindle set
  07/06/25
Try to work out and do cardio as much as possible and drink ...
buff step-uncle's house nibblets
  07/06/25
Seems doable. Anyone know what happens to your shit if you e...
spectacular amethyst incel
  07/06/25
no fucking chance. a tablespoon of butter is a lot
haunting selfie
  07/06/25
Done. It's all getting melted and put on things. Only ot...
smoky lodge
  07/06/25
Enjoy cancer
out-of-control antidepressant drug
  07/06/25
Lowest human equivalent dose in the cancer study is 35 mg, a...
smoky lodge
  07/06/25
so TSINAH gets a $3 mil after tax dollars and doesn't have t...
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  07/06/25
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  07/06/25
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Brilliant private investor
  07/06/25
This wouldn’t be too bad. I’ll just do 3-4 hours...
Chrome passionate parlour
  07/06/25
i think this is cr. you'd have to stop working, and just fo...
Domesticated red principal's office goal in life
  07/06/25
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buff step-uncle's house nibblets
  07/06/25
i agree but seems like if you get injured you’re in a ...
Navy place of business sanctuary
  07/06/25
i agree, there is significant risk involved, both in terms o...
Domesticated red principal's office goal in life
  07/06/25
there's a very low risk of meaningful injury with low intens...
Chrome passionate parlour
  07/06/25
I'm pretty confident that if you just soaked veggies in butt...
sexy claret laser beams business firm
  07/06/25
This is impossible.
Onyx concupiscible spot toilet seat
  07/06/25
I 100% percent take the first year, that is not hard, you wo...
sexy claret laser beams business firm
  07/06/25
how tf is 4 stick of butter mashed potatoes an almost health...
Navy place of business sanctuary
  07/06/25
potatoes are basically the perfect food and you can whip an ...
sexy claret laser beams business firm
  07/06/25
well nobody's saying that it would taste bad
Galvanic sable patrolman
  07/06/25
and it would also be fairly nutritious, a basic bitch gym br...
sexy claret laser beams business firm
  07/06/25
the calories aren't the problem though i think it's the fat...
Galvanic sable patrolman
  07/06/25
it's 3 million and people do this for free
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  07/06/25
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smoky lodge
  07/07/25
i feel like you'd probably die before the year was up
Galvanic sable patrolman
  07/06/25
you could probably eat butter straight and not die for a yea...
sexy claret laser beams business firm
  07/06/25
4 sticks is a ton of butter though. a stick of good scottish...
Galvanic sable patrolman
  07/06/25
it is your fulltime job, being active isn't a real problem, ...
sexy claret laser beams business firm
  07/06/25
idk man i don't think people are eating 4 sticks of butter a...
Galvanic sable patrolman
  07/06/25
what do you think is in a fucking pizza?
sexy claret laser beams business firm
  07/06/25
2-3 tablespoons of olive oil some fat from cheese (probably...
Galvanic sable patrolman
  07/06/25
by your own measures it would only require two and yes the f...
sexy claret laser beams business firm
  07/06/25
who is eating three entire pizzas a day? we're talking large...
Galvanic sable patrolman
  07/06/25
I really don't think you understand how many calories are in...
sexy claret laser beams business firm
  07/06/25
Easy. There’s a pound of butter in most pasta dishes y...
out-of-control antidepressant drug
  07/06/25
Healthier than the SuperSize me diet
swollen white puppy area
  07/06/25
didn't it come out later that the real reason that guy ended...
Galvanic sable patrolman
  07/06/25
Should have drunk butter Alcohol is poison
swollen white puppy area
  07/06/25
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/05/05/404435137/te...
Galvanic sable patrolman
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Navy place of business sanctuary
  07/06/25
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Nighttime chartreuse trump supporter
  07/06/25
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smoky lodge
  07/06/25
Don't French people in France do this everyday?
Pink half-breed
  07/06/25
I originally read this as four CUPS of butter per day, which...
beady-eyed silver ape son of senegal
  07/06/25
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smoky lodge
  07/06/25
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clear telephone
  07/07/25
this is your future: https://gray-wcsc-prod.gtv-cdn.com/...
snowy mood
  07/06/25
That guy was eating 6-9 pounds of butter/cheese per day. ...
buff step-uncle's house nibblets
  07/06/25
Figure out how to make a drink with butter like a tea so you...
Rose Rehab Goyim
  07/06/25
great idea
Navy place of business sanctuary
  07/06/25
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potluck
  10/28/25
lmfao This really is a great bait account
smoky lodge
  07/06/25
That's a typical day for a Danish person
Racy maize theater
  07/06/25
I think this would kill me, so no.
clear telephone
  07/07/25
Disco Fats in a rush to leverage all his assets and get the ...
vigorous ocher hunting ground
  07/07/25
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smoky lodge
  07/07/25
hell yes and I move to a high income tax state to further le...
Umber scourge upon the earth school cafeteria
  07/07/25
no, that would be almost 4 thousand calories daily only from...
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  10/27/25
No way. That’s 15-20 croissants’ worth.
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  10/28/25


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Date: July 6th, 2025 5:22 PM
Author: Navy place of business sanctuary

you get 20 off days. you can cook w the butter so long as the dish incorporates all the butter (eg, you can eat a saucy dish w the butter cooked in the sauce so long as you consume all the sauce, you can’t just fry fish in a butter loaded sauce pan and call it good).

the butter is free. delivered daily.

if you take the deal, you have the option of extending for another year on new terms: 6 sticks of butter, $5 mil (tax free), otherwise same terms.

do you take the deal? if so, take the bonus year? strategies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49076879)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 5:23 PM
Author: buff step-uncle's house nibblets

I don't even think this would be hard. I'd eat 4-6 butter sandwiches a day on white toast (1 stick of butter per sandwich).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49076885)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 5:27 PM
Author: Navy place of business sanctuary

4 sticks of butter is like 3200 calories and 460 or so grams of fat. how are u avoiding massive weight gain here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49076898)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 5:28 PM
Author: Brindle set

He’s just rolling with the flame, you would be dead if you tried this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49076903)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 5:47 PM
Author: buff step-uncle's house nibblets

Try to work out and do cardio as much as possible and drink a lot of water I guess. I agree I would probably gain a lot of weight over the two years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49076951)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 5:28 PM
Author: spectacular amethyst incel

Seems doable. Anyone know what happens to your shit if you eat that much butter tho?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49076902)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 5:29 PM
Author: haunting selfie

no fucking chance. a tablespoon of butter is a lot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49076907)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 6:14 PM
Author: smoky lodge

Done.

It's all getting melted and put on things. Only other food I'm eating is lean meat.

I'm jumping on cardarine, which is a PPARδ agonist and will turn my body into a fat burning machine. Also definitely doing like 2 hours of fasted cardio every fucking day, and on the off days I am not eating at all.

Gonna be a slog, but doable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077021)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:37 PM
Author: out-of-control antidepressant drug

Enjoy cancer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077255)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:40 PM
Author: smoky lodge

Lowest human equivalent dose in the cancer study is 35 mg, and you can get by with running about half of that with insane results.

The other thing about that study is that it ran for 2 years, on the same rats and mice. Incidence of tumors in these species at the end of two years is typically extremely high anyway, and a leading natural cause of death. Would be very nice to see several more 12 month studies.

Also, for $3 million, I think you can do it for a year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077693)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 6:15 PM
Author: Zippy emerald masturbator

so TSINAH gets a $3 mil after tax dollars and doesn't have to change his lifestyle at all?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077024)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:43 PM
Author: Nighttime chartreuse trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077275)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:40 PM
Author: Brilliant private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077695)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 6:20 PM
Author: Chrome passionate parlour

This wouldn’t be too bad. I’ll just do 3-4 hours of zone 2 bike riding a day. Low risk of injury. Your metabolic rate will go up as you put on weight. You could likely get sufficient nutrients at 4000 total calories a day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077041)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:50 PM
Author: Domesticated red principal's office goal in life

i think this is cr. you'd have to stop working, and just focus on as much low impact cardio as you can. swimming, biking, walking, just nonstop

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077295)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:53 PM
Author: buff step-uncle's house nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077307)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:38 PM
Author: Navy place of business sanctuary

i agree but seems like if you get injured you’re in a real pickle

can’t really just “stop” after a while because i would’ve quit my job to pull this off but 4x sticks daily while sitting on my ass could at least end my marriage if not life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077434)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:59 PM
Author: Domesticated red principal's office goal in life

i agree, there is significant risk involved, both in terms of fat intake, caloric intake, injury risk, etc. but $3 million tax free? i'd have to consider it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077494)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 9:33 PM
Author: Chrome passionate parlour

there's a very low risk of meaningful injury with low intensity exercise on a stationary bike. even if you lost a few weeks of exercise throughout the year, you are not going to gain a significant amount of weight from a butter + minimal nutrition diet.

the biggest concern is letting your LDL go crazy with all the fat. you would need to nuke it with statins, ezetimibe, fiber and possibly a PCSK9 inhibitor. anyway, i think this deal is a no brainer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077550)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:43 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

I'm pretty confident that if you just soaked veggies in butter you could do this for a year without any meaningful health impact, people eat worse than this for decades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077699)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 6:29 PM
Author: Onyx concupiscible spot toilet seat

This is impossible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077062)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 6:33 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

I 100% percent take the first year, that is not hard, you wouldn't even have to work out hard to beat that, there are so many delicious sauces you could eat or hell you could just throw it in mashed potatoes and honestly barely be unhealthy

the second year is an issue, I would probably say no to that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077070)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:21 PM
Author: Navy place of business sanctuary

how tf is 4 stick of butter mashed potatoes an almost healthy dish?

I lean towards going for it but mashed potatoes sounds like one of the quickest ways to die doing this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077207)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:23 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

potatoes are basically the perfect food and you can whip an absurd amount of butter into them, it would be terribly fatty but it would not be hard to get two sticks into one decent pot and just skip the rest of your meal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077214)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:27 PM
Author: Galvanic sable patrolman

well nobody's saying that it would taste bad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077226)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

and it would also be fairly nutritious, a basic bitch gym bro could handle that amount of calories with no problem

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077227)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:29 PM
Author: Galvanic sable patrolman

the calories aren't the problem though

i think it's the fat content and the type of fat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077231)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:31 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

it's 3 million and people do this for free

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077236)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:31 PM
Author: smoky lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49078909)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:23 PM
Author: Galvanic sable patrolman

i feel like you'd probably die before the year was up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077212)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:24 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

you could probably eat butter straight and not die for a year, modern people are pussies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077218)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:26 PM
Author: Galvanic sable patrolman

4 sticks is a ton of butter though. a stick of good scottish butter is pretty hefty and the accumulation of lipids in your cardiovascular system would really start weighing on you unless you were very, very active daily (as a gardener or rancher or something) without fail

is butter hard on the kidneys?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077224)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:29 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

it is your fulltime job, being active isn't a real problem, you do realize normal fully alive fats without millions of dollars run this expiriment daily more or less and without exercise and are quite alive?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077230)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:31 PM
Author: Galvanic sable patrolman

idk man i don't think people are eating 4 sticks of butter a day much of anywhere

in sneed oil terms that'd be about ~2 whole cups of canola or vegetable oil

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077235)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:32 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

what do you think is in a fucking pizza?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077237)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:35 PM
Author: Galvanic sable patrolman

2-3 tablespoons of olive oil

some fat from cheese (probably equivalent to a stick or two of butter)

but nobody's eating 3 pizzas a day by themselves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077248)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:52 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

by your own measures it would only require two and yes the fuck they are, lots of them, and it isn't as though eating ribeye and 20 eggs is good for you it's just those guys work it off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077302)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:43 PM
Author: Galvanic sable patrolman

who is eating three entire pizzas a day? we're talking large Dave Portnoy ones where he takes two bites and writes his review sized pizzas. you would be corpulent after two months of this. your bowels would be full of liquid day in and day out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077448)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 9:15 PM
Author: sexy claret laser beams business firm

I really don't think you understand how many calories are in a pizza, a full new york pie is covering 3 sticks of butter and easily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077535)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:36 PM
Author: out-of-control antidepressant drug

Easy. There’s a pound of butter in most pasta dishes you get at restaurants. Easy to just dip crab in butter. And you’d get jacked. Butter is actually very good for you contrary to popular belief due to big food company advertising

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077251)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:37 PM
Author: swollen white puppy area

Healthier than the SuperSize me diet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077253)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:38 PM
Author: Galvanic sable patrolman

didn't it come out later that the real reason that guy ended up looking so unhealthy was actually binge drinking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077260)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:39 PM
Author: swollen white puppy area

Should have drunk butter

Alcohol is poison

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077263)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:42 PM
Author: Galvanic sable patrolman

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/05/05/404435137/tea-tuesdays-butter-up-that-tea-tibetan-style

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077272)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:44 PM
Author: Navy place of business sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077277)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:52 PM
Author: Nighttime chartreuse trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077305)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:40 PM
Author: smoky lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077694)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 7:44 PM
Author: Pink half-breed

Don't French people in France do this everyday?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077278)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 9:35 PM
Author: beady-eyed silver ape son of senegal

I originally read this as four CUPS of butter per day, which would be difficult. 4 sticks? Sign me up. Is it okay if I eat more than 4 sticks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077552)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:40 PM
Author: smoky lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077696)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: clear telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49078736)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 9:42 PM
Author: snowy mood

this is your future:

https://gray-wcsc-prod.gtv-cdn.com/resizer/v2/IG32HN55GVFR7LPKCNYBIU2YQI.jpg?auth=5e8104bc95a676679ea4661eaffc1282b30bc26519dbcdffa8a659b011098277&width=1300&height=1075&smart=true

https://www.live5news.com/2025/02/06/man-develops-yellow-nodules-skin-after-eating-6-9-pounds-cheese-butter-every-day/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077565)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:26 PM
Author: buff step-uncle's house nibblets

That guy was eating 6-9 pounds of butter/cheese per day.

4 sticks of butter is only 1 pound, it would be no problem. As I said upthread, just eating a few butter sandwiches a day would take care of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077672)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Rose Rehab Goyim

Figure out how to make a drink with butter like a tea so you are just pissing it out and not getting fat from it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077659)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:28 PM
Author: Navy place of business sanctuary

great idea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077678)



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Date: October 28th, 2025 4:54 PM
Author: potluck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49382710)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:41 PM
Author: smoky lodge

lmfao

This really is a great bait account

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077697)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 10:35 PM
Author: Racy maize theater

That's a typical day for a Danish person

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49077688)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 11:13 AM
Author: clear telephone

I think this would kill me, so no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49078725)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 11:21 AM
Author: vigorous ocher hunting ground

Disco Fats in a rush to leverage all his assets and get the 3mm to pay for forced curbing of his butter habit in hopes he can drag his fat ass up a mountain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49078735)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: smoky lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49078911)



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Date: July 7th, 2025 11:38 AM
Author: Umber scourge upon the earth school cafeteria

hell yes and I move to a high income tax state to further leverage this incredible opportunity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746801&forum_id=2#49078763)



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Date: October 27th, 2025 1:08 PM
Author: .,...,..,,,.,:,,.,.,.,:::,,..,:,.,,:..:.,:.::,.


no, that would be almost 4 thousand calories daily only from the butter

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Date: October 28th, 2025 5:29 PM
Author: I only jerk off to Hailee Steinfeld

No way. That’s 15-20 croissants’ worth.

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