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B1G Academics: Flame?
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Date: May 7th, 2013 9:56 PM Author: histrionic dingle berry If you ever watch college sports or read about conference realignment, you can’t miss the inevitable fawning over the Big 10’s “sterling academic prowess” or some shit like that. Sounds to me like complete flame. Not from that part of the world, but my impression is that NW and Michigan are strong, Wisconsin is alright, Purdue is solid for STEM, Michigan State is TTTT, and everything else is meh at best.
Way off base, Midwesterners?
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Date: May 7th, 2013 9:58 PM Author: wonderful wrinkle resort Not Midwesterner, but the Big 10 land grant schools have been historically some of the best. Even Minnesota or Indiana have some really strong programs, even if they are not prestigious schools.
As overall universities, NU, Mich, Wisc, Illinois are pretty strong. They have a ton of top grad programs. |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 9:59 PM Author: Razzle wagecucks damn pensive. you are one SUBTLE motherfucker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154021) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 9:59 PM Author: wonderful wrinkle resort No.
Obviously the Big 10 doesn't have IVY level UG prestige. But as a conference they are strong schools. |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:31 PM Author: orchid blathering tanning salon Northwestern >> Brown/Cornell/non-Wharton Penn and maybe Dartmouth.
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Date: May 7th, 2013 11:33 PM Author: brilliant dilemma Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
No
The only one of these anyone ever turns down for Northwestern is Cornot. |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:00 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Home I mean, remember to ask "compared to what?" Look at the other conferences. Of course none of this shit will impress XO, but compared to most other conferences, they're good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154030) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:12 PM Author: histrionic dingle berry I mean, no one would argue a step up from the SEC, or (God help us) the Big TTTwelve. Just seems a bit inflated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154124) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:00 PM Author: wonderful wrinkle resort Michigan undergrad trolling ITT is outrageous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154033) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:06 PM Author: fear-inspiring reading party Some pretty good engineering schools, especially Mich, Wisc, and PSU. Nebraska is definitely the outlier among B1G schools academically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154080) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:31 PM Author: Razzle wagecucks Nebraska, MSU, Iowa are all pretty fucking bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154283) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:33 PM Author: jet thriller address you skipped illinois. it's arguably the best engineering school in the big 10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154311) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 10:17 AM Author: Olive indirect expression Purdue is up there too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23156826) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 5:16 PM Author: soul-stirring station uh, Illinois anyone? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23159497) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:23 PM Author: aromatic stead To be fair, UChicago is part of the B1G academically. This makes a huge difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154218) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:42 PM Author: indigo laughsome spot what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154393) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 11:10 PM Author: aromatic stead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Institutional_Cooperation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154632) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 10:56 AM Author: Spectacular coldplay fan CR link, brother. Did not know this, and I graduated B1G.
Go Blue! |
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Date: May 9th, 2013 12:01 AM Author: Ultramarine foreskin clown Where did Chicago finish in hoops last year? Kind of bullshit to claim a school that's clearly not in your conference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23162333) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:30 PM Author: charismatic corn cake yeah, bro. everybody should just go to ivy league schools. that way everybody will have a 47% chance at bulge bracket banking and 47% of the population will be living it up models and bottles style, and all of our economic problems will be solved. every school outside the ivy league is crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154275) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:31 PM Author: Sadistic hall faggot firefighter I mean, it's no SEC, but it's not bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154284) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:43 PM Author: Razzle wagecucks Go Razorback! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154396) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:44 PM Author: Sadistic hall faggot firefighter Sadly, its not even the worst school in the SEC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154401) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 1:08 AM Author: multi-colored plum ceo miss st. poultry science majors styling on stem caltech mit bros (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23155430) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:48 PM Author: indigo laughsome spot Northwestern is ivy level
Mich, Wisco, Illinois, PSU, OSU and (soon to be) Maryland are all fairly well respected state flagships where nobody's really ashamed to go |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 10:58 PM Author: histrionic dingle berry OSU? They accept > 60% of applicants. And their mascot is a fucking tree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154535) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 11:28 PM Author: disturbing scourge upon the earth The nut from a fucking tree, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154794) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 10:53 AM Author: Spectacular coldplay fan As a Mich undergraduate, it always pains me to say this, but OSU has gone way up in the last decade. When I was looking at schools 15 years ago, I remember thinking of OSU as some shit, everyone-gets-in school. Then when I graduated and moved on to a T6, all of a sudden, OSU wasn't crap. I'm not sure what happened, but I think the school got a ton of money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23156986) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 10:58 AM Author: Olive indirect expression They stopped their open admission policy for anyone that graduated from an Ohio school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23157017) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 4:47 PM Author: Spectacular coldplay fan When did they do that? It would have been like 2001 or so, right? If so, this seems like a CR answer.
Also, I know they have like 10 other campuses in SPS cities. If the folks who go to those other schools get aggregated into stats, it makes the school look worse, I think. (Actually, same can be said for most B1G schools. I know at least Purdue and Indiana are the same.) Any tOSU grads on here? |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 11:29 PM Author: Disgusting trust fund principal's office Michigan has to be above the rest of those schools, retard. You show no understanding or appreciation of history with this list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154808) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 11:02 PM Author: amethyst public bath antidepressant drug NW is elite UM and UW usually float around the lower t25-higher t50 Iowa has a great creative writing program but little else Penn State gives students the opportunity to Wite-Out the "State" on their diplomas and claim to have gone to Wharton Isn't Purdue decent for engineering? They have ugly girls, so there must be smart kids there.
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Date: May 7th, 2013 11:09 PM Author: aromatic stead Uchicago dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23154629) |
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Date: May 7th, 2013 11:15 PM Author: Shivering bawdyhouse rigor Cr.
NW us its own class. UM and UW are the next tier. UI is just below. The rest have some good programs but the rest are trash |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 5:18 PM Author: soul-stirring station Iowa? Again, Illionois anyone? Not saying it's a great school but it's been in front of Wisconsin many times in the rankings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23159513) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 12:43 AM Author: deep roast beef stag film All of them sans Nebraska belong to the AAU.
Which basically means they are all big research schools. Outside of that not sure they care much about academics.
Ideally if they add it would be another SAY school
Though a non research focused but strong academic school like ND would be easily accepted, not that it'll ever happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities
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Date: May 8th, 2013 2:33 PM Author: Olive indirect expression ND isn't part of the ACC in the one sport that matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23158270) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 1:06 AM Author: passionate rehab candlestick maker B1G academics as a whole are clearly the best of all the big conferences. Obviously, if you don't like sports and are some aspie nerd, then go Ivy or to some aspie lib arts school like Amherst.
Compare Big 10 to any other big conference. Its the only conference that doesn't have straight up community colleges in it, unlike SEC or Pac 10. |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 1:21 AM Author: aromatic stead stanford alone >>>>> big10 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23155492) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 10:53 AM Author: stubborn disrespectful regret pocket flask You also have the Arizona schools, Oregon schools, and Wash St (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23156989) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 11:33 AM Author: passionate rehab candlestick maker (dude with no reading comprehension skills) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23157193) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 1:15 AM Author: green federal nibblets the lowest tier in the traditional big 10 would be upper tier in the SEC or Big 12. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23155451) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 1:23 AM Author: marvelous pungent business firm stock car Always amazed at how xo posters obsess over this crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23155502) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 9:54 AM Author: brass idea he suggested quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23156712) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 4:41 PM Author: Buff toilet seat therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23159212) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 9:18 AM Author: Ultramarine foreskin clown I would say that at the top levels, the ACC dominates the B1G. For the top spot, Duke is at least NW’s equal if not its better. Michigan is a Top 5 public, but so are both UVA and UNC. I would take Ga. Tech over Illinois or Purdue for STEM. B1G has zero answer for the ACC’s small but reasonably prestigious private schools (BC, Wake Forest, and now ND).
Top to bottom, though, possible small advantage B1G. ACC has no less than 3 cowschools (NC State, Va. Tech, Clemson). Miami, Pitt, and Syracuse are meh. FSU has hot girls and good sports but is inarguably a TTT. Louisville is a TTTTT.
Discuss.
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Date: May 8th, 2013 2:34 PM Author: Olive indirect expression HUGE advantage to the big ten at the bottom. Louisville, VA Tech, NC State and Clemson would be considered WAY below Big 10 academic standards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23158281) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 3:21 PM Author: Ultramarine foreskin clown Yes, but if you combined them into one superconference, the Top 10 would be something like this.
1. Duke 2. NW 3. UVA 4. Michigan 5. UNC 6. BC 7. Wake Forest 8. Notre Dame 9. Wisconsin 10. Georgia Tech |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 4:04 PM Author: wonderful wrinkle resort Unreal Michigan, Wake Forest, BC trolling
BC and WFU are at the bottom with GT |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 4:33 PM Author: Ultramarine foreskin clown Reorder those if you like, but 70% of this list is still ACC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23159157) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 4:51 PM Author: wonderful wrinkle resort Literally unable to name all ACC schools due to realignment
Do agree with your assessment about top-to-bottom
One of the Big 10's strengths is that, Nebraska excluded, the "bottom" schools are still relatively strong. Indiana and Minnesota rank towards the bottom end but they have some elite programs |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 11:08 PM Author: Olive indirect expression We're talking AAU level here. These are the kind of rankings that matter:
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2012
ND isn't really in the ACC until it's a full member, including football. PSU/Illinois are definitely on par with GT/Wisconsin.
They might have huge student bodies, but a school like Illinois has 8,000 engineering undergrads that all go to a top 5 ranked program. That beats the shit out of BC or WFU that I can't even tell you what good programs they might have.
BC/WF? Get the fuck out of here.
And at the bottom rungs, let's not even get started. NCSU and Louisville? Nigger, please. |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 11:55 PM Author: Ultramarine foreskin clown I will concede with no argument that NC State is absolute garbage. I've lived in NC. Mentally retarded kids that I knew growing up did well there. Louisville is probably worse. But the top ACC murders the top Big 10. Duke > NW. UVA > Michigan. UNC > anyone but NW and Michigan.
ND is more ACC than it will ever be B1G. Very weak argument that football is required. Certainly, if football is required, the assholes claiming that University of Chicago is B1G (see above) are wrong.
Penn State is a fucking sprawling public TTT in an ugly, cold, grey, shitty piece of shit state with 96,000 students that also harbors child molesters. Wake and BC beat the living shit out of it. I have trouble thinking of a bigger piece of shit academic institution than Penn State.
I will give you that Illinois is solid, especially in STEM.
The bottom of the B1G isn't pretty either. Nebraska and Michigan State are true TTT trashholes. Indiana doesn't exactly bring much heat. |
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Date: May 9th, 2013 6:23 PM Author: fishy heaven If ND is forced to join any conference all in, they'd be in the Big 10. Big 10 wouldn't let them do that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23166756) |
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Date: May 9th, 2013 10:39 AM Author: cordovan fragrant point persian You are really underrating ND here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23164084) |
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Date: May 9th, 2013 11:51 AM Author: histrionic dingle berry Where would you put ND on that list? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23164423) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 9:44 AM Author: flatulent market volcanic crater Some of the Big 10 schools are well-respected academically, particularly in certain hard science fields.
On the other hand, I know way too many dumb kids who ended up at IU, UW, etc. to have any respect for their undergrad populations. At my high school, these were the types of schools that were targeted by the bottom 1/3 of the class. Michigan was probably the most competitive state school to get into, and I know some pretty sharp kids who went there. Northwestern is an outlier private school - I consider it the Vandy of the Big 10 and not representative of the conference.
Among savvy laypeople, NW and UMich have the most prestige and can be included in the list of acceptable schools for a top high school student. Certain dep'ts like Illinois engineering should also be included in that list. But the rest of the schools for the most part are huge factories with mediocre profs and students. |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 1:44 PM Author: wonderful wrinkle resort How was Newton South or Stuyvesant?
And more importantly, how was the University of Michigan?
OOS Michigan kids are rejects from everywhere else. And there's almost no functional difference between a Michigan UG and Wisconsin UG |
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Date: May 9th, 2013 10:12 AM Author: flatulent market volcanic crater Went to private HS and Ivy undergrad. Nice try though.
You're way off on Michigan v. Wisconsin. The SAT combined range at Michigan is several hundred points higher than UW. UM isn't the H of the midwest but it's a harder school to get into than UW and has a better all-around reputation.
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Date: May 8th, 2013 10:47 AM Author: heady rusted selfie what about grad programs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23156957) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 4:51 PM Author: wonderful wrinkle resort Big ten publics have some of the best bc science programs dominate rankings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23159309) |
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Date: May 10th, 2013 3:07 AM Author: white odious headpube People don't realize this, but most of Big10 are world class research institutions, and most have at least a couple of top ranked grad programs (as in top 5 or something) Michigan is basically top 10 in just about everything with a rare top 20 here and there. OSU/UofI/UMN are top 20 places in many many grad programs. Wisconsin is somewhere in between with about an even split between top 10/top 20. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23170337) |
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Date: May 10th, 2013 3:08 AM Author: wonderful wrinkle resort Michigan and Wisconsin can be really CR as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23170339) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 5:03 PM Author: racy sound barrier shut the fuck up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23159405) |
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Date: May 8th, 2013 11:13 PM Author: Ruddy field I went to tOSU. The honors program seemed pretty good, but I'm pretty sure there were actual retards in some of my non-honors classes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2250009&forum_id=2#23161969) |
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Date: May 9th, 2013 12:08 AM Author: wonderful wrinkle resort RATE the "SCHOLARS" program
Rate the kids from St Ignatius |