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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
razzmatazz maroon shrine
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
adventurous lilac personal credit line digit ratio
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
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"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
stimulating abnormal partner bbw
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this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
stimulating abnormal partner bbw
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mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
orange kitchen private investor
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Razzle-dazzle lay
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
stimulating abnormal partner bbw
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or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
Floppy resort french chef
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
flatulent immigrant
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Garnet Double Fault Church
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
razzmatazz maroon shrine
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Garnet Double Fault Church
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
razzmatazz maroon shrine
  12/18/25
180
Garnet Double Fault Church
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
bossy range pistol
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
nighttime fragrant temple
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
bossy range pistol
  12/18/25
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nighttime fragrant temple
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
Floppy resort french chef
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
Duck-like Step-uncle's House Multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
razzmatazz maroon shrine
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
irate crimson roommate location
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
razzmatazz maroon shrine
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
scarlet unhinged kitty cat
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Disturbing cobalt water buffalo
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Galvanic erotic blood rage
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
bossy range pistol
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
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Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
Arousing mad cow disease
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
smoky theater stage
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
Arousing mad cow disease
  12/18/25
lol
smoky theater stage
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
crawly rambunctious organic girlfriend
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
nighttime fragrant temple
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
Arousing mad cow disease
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
bateful snowy home cuck
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Razzle-dazzle lay
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
bateful snowy home cuck
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Razzle-dazzle lay
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
bateful snowy home cuck
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Razzle-dazzle lay
  12/21/25
cr
nighttime fragrant temple
  12/18/25
Anabasis
yellow blathering site
  12/18/25
...
smoky theater stage
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
dashing philosopher-king
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
smoky theater stage
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
khaki glittery stage incel
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Maniacal Stirring Institution Famous Landscape Painting
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Cracking Office Hominid
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
smoky theater stage
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
razzmatazz maroon shrine
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
nighttime fragrant temple
  12/18/25
...
Arousing mad cow disease
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
Duck-like Step-uncle's House Multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
Arousing mad cow disease
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Angry Address
  12/18/25
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Duck-like Step-uncle's House Multi-billionaire
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
crawly rambunctious organic girlfriend
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
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A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
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Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
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abridged edgar allen poe short stories
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: razzmatazz maroon shrine

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: adventurous lilac personal credit line digit ratio

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: Geriatric irradiated boltzmann locus

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: mauve contagious trailer park regret



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: stimulating abnormal partner bbw

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: stimulating abnormal partner bbw

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: orange kitchen private investor

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle lay

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: stimulating abnormal partner bbw

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Floppy resort french chef

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: flatulent immigrant

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Garnet Double Fault Church

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: razzmatazz maroon shrine

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Garnet Double Fault Church

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: razzmatazz maroon shrine

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Garnet Double Fault Church

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: bossy range pistol

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: nighttime fragrant temple

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: bossy range pistol

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: nighttime fragrant temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Floppy resort french chef

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: Duck-like Step-uncle's House Multi-billionaire

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: razzmatazz maroon shrine

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: irate crimson roommate location

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: razzmatazz maroon shrine

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: scarlet unhinged kitty cat

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Disturbing cobalt water buffalo

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Galvanic erotic blood rage

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: bossy range pistol

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: concupiscible bisexual preventive strike sneaky criminal

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: Arousing mad cow disease

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: smoky theater stage

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: Arousing mad cow disease

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: smoky theater stage

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: crawly rambunctious organic girlfriend

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: nighttime fragrant temple

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: Arousing mad cow disease

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: bateful snowy home cuck

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle lay

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: bateful snowy home cuck

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle lay

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: bateful snowy home cuck

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle lay

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: nighttime fragrant temple

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: yellow blathering site

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: smoky theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: dashing philosopher-king

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: smoky theater stage

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: khaki glittery stage incel

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Maniacal Stirring Institution Famous Landscape Painting

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Cracking Office Hominid

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: smoky theater stage

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: razzmatazz maroon shrine

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: nighttime fragrant temple

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: Arousing mad cow disease



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Duck-like Step-uncle's House Multi-billionaire

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: Arousing mad cow disease

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Angry Address

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: Duck-like Step-uncle's House Multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: crawly rambunctious organic girlfriend

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Copper Business Firm

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: balding effete therapy school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Talented emerald heaven giraffe

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: stimulating abnormal partner bbw

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: yellow blathering site

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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