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UCLA OCI: Orrick, Proskauer cancel, GDC raises GPA req. to 3.6
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:00 PM Author: Purple water buffalo fuuuck. this year's oci keeps getting worse.
Kirkland & GDC had listed a 3.4 cutoff, now they want 3.6 - which is close to top 10% (they raised the req. last week on symplicity...at the beginning of the summer cutoff was listed at 3.4)
Bingham raised req. to a 3.5 (from a 3.3)
Orrick and Proskauer pulled out.
Milibank Tweed LA is not interviewing
Pilbsury is not interviewing.
A lot of the NY firms pulled out as well (i.e. Kaye Scholar, etc. and are now only doing resume collections instead of interviews)
Cravath cancelled (not that they were ever going to hire anyone from here anyway)
Additionally, heard from a very reliable source within Fulbright and Jaworski LA who is on the recruiting committee that they were planning to hire 0 summer associates this summer and that I shouldn't waste a bid on their firm.
UPDATE: Davis Polk and Morgan Lewis cancelled as well
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:03 PM Author: Titillating dun masturbator what is latham's gpa req? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208270) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:10 PM Author: Purple water buffalo Latham says 3.4 required - who knows if they will even be hiring though?
Orrick used to have an LA class size of about 12. Obviously, this year is will probably be zero, since they aren't even interviewing.
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:06 PM Author: French cerebral persian legal warrant You were planning to bid on F&J? Their LA office is tiny. I don't think they usually take more than 1 UCLA summer. The GPA changes are probably due to ITE, but also reflect the fact that UCLA softened it's curve a few years ago and firms never adjusted their cutoffs to that change. |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:06 PM Author: Titillating dun masturbator what gpa is latham asking for this year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208327) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:16 PM Author: Purple water buffalo The VAST majority of LA offices are tiny. Fulbright had 5 summers in 2008.
Most firms in LA have summer class sizes smaller than 10: i.e. Akin, Arnold Porter, Baker, Bryan Cave, Crowell, DLA Piper, Foley, Goodwin Proctor, Hogan, Holland, Howry, Jones Day, Mcguirewoods, etc. etc. etc.
The largest firms in LA were always Kirkland, Latham, GDC, O'Melveney, Irell, etc. But this year all the biggest firms want 3.6.
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:20 PM Author: ultramarine bull headed spot I would say bid. THe worst that can happen is that you get rejected. But if you interview ok and you have an otherwise good resume, you might still get offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208483) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:24 PM Author: French cerebral persian legal warrant Latham, OMM, Gibson, PHJW, Irell, Sidley, Milbank, Skadden, Kirkland, Quinn and maybe Munger all have large classes. Orrick and Pillsbury have in the past, though I assume will not this year. I guess you're right about F&J. Looks like it's grown since my OCI era. |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:28 PM Author: White business firm Even at the height of the boom back in summer 2007, PH only had like 15-20 summers in the LA office. They don't go in for huge classes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208567) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:29 PM Author: French cerebral persian legal warrant According to NALP they had 32 last year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208576) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:32 PM Author: Purple water buffalo Why do all of the firms with the largest class sizes have the highest gpa cutoffs for UCLA? Guess they are just the most selective and can get people from T-14's to fill up the classes?
Milibank is not interviewing this year either, btw. |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:07 PM Author: Elite Irradiated University It just occurred to you that this year's OCI was not looking good? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208334) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:11 PM Author: Purple water buffalo no...it was always looking bad....just looking even worse now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208391) |
Date: July 10th, 2009 2:12 PM Author: Carmine Stage Love Of Her Life Do firms solely ding you for a GPA below the requirements? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208403) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:14 PM Author: burgundy electric hissy fit wtf why else would they have a gpa req (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208422) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:16 PM Author: Carmine Stage Love Of Her Life To discourage people from bidding on them. I knew of people in my class who offers from firms below the cutoff. ITE is different, of course (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208447) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:36 PM Author: Purple water buffalo what do you mean discourage people from bidding on them? aren't they going to interview a set # of people anyway?
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:47 PM Author: charismatic slap-happy station messiness and they prefer that the ppl they interview actually meet their gpa cutoffs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12209184) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:48 PM Author: French cerebral persian legal warrant Uhm, exactly. They have a limited number of slots, so they want to discourage less qualified (by GPA at least) students from using up the slots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12209190) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:16 PM Author: Fuchsia knife boistinker ITE, having a GPA above the cut-off just gets your foot in the door. If you fall below the cut-off, barring some miracle, you've got no chance in hell of landing the job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208437) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:18 PM Author: ultramarine bull headed spot Last year, I took a broad approach and applied to firms that had higer cutoffs than I could meet (as long as they didnt require a cover letter, I mean I am not going to do that extra work for an almost assured auto-ding). I actually ended up with interviews at about half of the firms that had top 10 cutoffs and I was top 20. It worked out alright. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208461) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:21 PM Author: Purple water buffalo did you do this for LA firms? I'm very close to a 3.6...slightly under it. Do you think I should bid on a couple 3.6 firms anyway? I kind of thought being below gpa req. was auto-ding (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208492) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:22 PM Author: Titillating dun masturbator if you're close then bid but be sure to diversify (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208503) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:23 PM Author: ultramarine bull headed spot I would say it depends on your resume. If you have some previous experience or an UG school/major they like it may rise you above the cutoff.
Yes, I was bidding on LA firms. |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:11 PM Author: Purple water buffalo did you get your interviews based on lottery or through screening?
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:17 PM Author: burgundy electric hissy fit GDC AND Kirkland raised GPA req? i don't understand thread title/OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208455) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:19 PM Author: Purple water buffalo At the beginning of the summer they had listed a 3.4 required on symplicity. They then called the career office and told them that they were now requiring a 3.6 minimum.
UCLA bids aren't due until the end of July. |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:23 PM Author: Purple water buffalo yeah both of them raised I believe...also got rid of their 3L interviewing schedule (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208517) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:24 PM Author: ultramarine bull headed spot Interviewing for 3Ls it fucked. If I don't get an offer out of this summer, I am going to be homeless come May. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208530) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:20 PM Author: Titillating dun masturbator THANK GOD UC is opening another law school at Irvine to meet all this unsatisfied demand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208481) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:22 PM Author: ultramarine bull headed spot No man, UCI will be the king of Santa Ana shitlaw. Welcome to the OCDAs office! Hope that 3.8/174 was worth betting on an unaccredited LS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208504) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:39 PM Author: Indigo Racy Gaming Laptop Lodge LOL, ITT an angry UCLA student vents rage that his law school got PWNT by UCI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208663) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:09 PM Author: ultramarine bull headed spot Anyone who has ever dealt with the UC system knows that the regents have their head so far up their ass they can still taste their breakfast. The stattte of CA already has far too many law schools. Now the UC is taking money from UCLA to give UCI a new LS <40 miles away? I work in OC now, and I shudder to think what the prospects will be for UCI grads.
Why couldn't Chemerinsky focus his effors on getting UCLA above GULC? Or transforming Davis or Hastings into good schools and not TTTs. Hell, I would have even been happier if he would have put more efforts into improving USC.
The last thing the over-saturated LA metro area needs is another LS. All it means is that now it will be top 10 at UCLA/UCI/USC for BIGLAW, and top 5 Loyola/Pepperdine. It just makes no damn sense. |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:13 PM Author: Brindle casino antidepressant drug if you're a law school admin leech who salivates at the thought of suckling at sallie mae's teet, it makes PLENTY of sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208930) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 4:50 PM Author: scarlet startling state hunting ground Or they could've gone with UCSD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12209801) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:40 PM Author: Purple water buffalo for real. does anyone else find it pathetic that UCLA can hardly place its students as it is and now they're opening ANOTHER UC an hour away.
even in good years UCLA only placed top 1/3 into biglaw. |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:43 PM Author: Titillating dun masturbator UC made some dumb argument about there not being enough supply, and cited the 160k salaries. they know they just want the sweet sweet student loan cash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208702) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:44 PM Author: burgundy electric hissy fit thats what you get for believing all the non-t14 dumbs who try to justify going to their shitty school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208715) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:45 PM Author: Titillating dun masturbator GULC students are SOO much better off than UCLA students.
ITE it's T6 or bust, maybe even T3 HTH |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:59 PM Author: Purple water buffalo you do realize that many students in the precious T-14 are going to end up with the same fates as the "dumbs" at UCLA: no biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208833) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:01 PM Author: burgundy electric hissy fit there's no way ANY t14 will place how UCLA is going to place this year.
3.6 (top 10%) for PROSKAUER? lol good luck UCLA peeps. |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:05 PM Author: Purple water buffalo proskauer pulled out. why do you think that they're going to hire ANYONE this year? firms that are in shitty financial shape aren't going to hire from UCLA or anywhere else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208881) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:06 PM Author: burgundy electric hissy fit prosk is bringing in a fair amount of SAs to their other offices, just not LA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208891) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:08 PM Author: Purple water buffalo their LA office was small to begin with and didn't take all that many summers anyway (8 according to NALP) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208899) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:13 PM Author: burgundy electric hissy fit yes, that's my point. UCLA is hurt by its location moreso than its non t14 status. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208925) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:14 PM Author: Brindle casino antidepressant drug dc and ny won't be any better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208934) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:17 PM Author: burgundy electric hissy fit DC and NYC have much larger summer classes than LA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208948) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:21 PM Author: Brindle casino antidepressant drug HAHAHA at NYC having large summer classes this year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208998) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:23 PM Author: burgundy electric hissy fit ? look at nalp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12209024) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:23 PM Author: Rebellious rehab genital piercing "large" != "larger than LA" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12209026) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:58 PM Author: Purple water buffalo In some ways, I wish that EVERY firm who has no intention of hiring would pull out. No point in going through a charade and wasting everyone's time.
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:19 PM Author: Purple water buffalo what gpa does skadden usually want from UCLA...3.6 also? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208977) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:21 PM Author: French cerebral persian legal warrant Skadden I believe was 3.3 back in my day. Only firms I remember at 3.6 back then were OMM, Irell and Quinn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12208999) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:38 PM Author: Purple water buffalo this year OMM is a 3.53...but they probably won't actually make offers to anyone below a 3.6/3.7 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12209118) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:47 PM Author: French cerebral persian legal warrant It was strange back then than they had the highest "official" gpa requirement of the big-3 because they were the least desirable of the three. Must have come to realize that and revised downwards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12209181) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:52 PM Author: Purple water buffalo Do they actually hire people just above their cutoff? if they require a 3.53, would they hire someone with a 3.57? It seems like what they list their official cutoff at is irrelevant...I've heard they only take top 10% regardless of what they list |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:56 PM Author: French cerebral persian legal warrant Dunno. I don't recall anyone being interested in working there. I have a good friend there this summer but she's top-5% I think, so doesn't really indicate what their cutoffs are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12209238) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:22 PM Author: Provocative Citrine Hominid Philosopher-king u mad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12209015) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 5:43 PM Author: Razzle Bistre Wrinkle From Georgetown:
Canceled EIW 2009 Schedules The following firms have canceled their Early Interview Week schedules:
Thompson Hine
Baker & McKenzie (San Francisco)
Orrick
Davis Wright Tremaine
Dow Lohnes
Andrews Kurth
EIW Added Offices Mayer Brown will now be interviewing for their New York, Houston, Palo Alto and Los Angeles offices.
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Date: July 10th, 2009 5:55 PM Author: charismatic slap-happy station messiness sidley chicago pulled out too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12210312) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 6:55 PM Author: Diverse Bisexual Fat Ankles Center but Thompson and Hine is a POWERHOUSE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12210897) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 5:46 PM Author: laughsome church building START SPAMMING. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12210217) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 7:02 PM Author: awkward opaque whorehouse Yikes, this is not promising. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12210958) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 8:10 PM Author: Purple water buffalo WE ARE ALL DOOMED.
*prepares papers to drop out of law school* |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 8:24 PM Author: Purple water buffalo The class of 2011 is analagous to pompeii in 79a.d. just weeks before the explosion of vesuvius. Several weeks before the explosion, there were clear warning signs, such as sulfer in the water and minor tremors in the earth. Many people felt something was wrong, but few could have foreseen the complete carnage and destruction that awaited them.
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Date: July 14th, 2009 4:24 PM Author: Purple water buffalo add morgan lewis to the list -- they cancelled sumemer classes completely in all offices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12243149) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 4:25 PM Author: sticky orange french chef police squad is orrick even doing oci anywhere? do they still exist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12243150) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 4:28 PM Author: Purple water buffalo orrick cancelled their entire 2010 summer class as well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12243168) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 4:30 PM Author: sticky orange french chef police squad yeah, i think orrick pulled out of my school and a couple of my friends, not sure it's a mark against ucla. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12243180) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 4:32 PM Author: Purple water buffalo yeah, firms are pulling out at a lot of schools, not just ucla. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12243203) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 4:32 PM Author: Purple water buffalo I know two people from UCLA who are dropping out. they have median grades and know they're screwed. to be fair...they might just be "taking time off" and come back next year. idk, maybe that is a shrewd idea? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12243199) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 4:35 PM Author: burgundy electric hissy fit except that their loans will not be deferred (bc they wont be in school) and will need to explain the gap year AND there's no guarantee 2012 will be better.
then again, they probably aren't the smartest people to begin with. they ARE attending UCLA, after all. |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 5:49 PM Author: Purple water buffalo honestly, no matter what they do they're pretty much screwed. there is no way median at UCLA will get biglaw this year, and probably not next year either. unless they're willing to do government or other small shit law they might as well cut their losses and drop out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12243912) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 8:42 PM Author: Purple water buffalo Davis polk just cancelled as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12245632) |
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Date: July 14th, 2009 8:47 PM Author: charismatic slap-happy station messiness That ship be sinkin! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038234&forum_id=2#12245670) |
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