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David Foster Wallace on Elizabeth Wurtzel... 180
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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:20 PM Author: Razzle Lettuce "One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtzel. After being rejected by the Prozac Nation author, Wallace wrote the 1998 story "The Depressed Person," basing the title character – the most unpleasant person on Earth – on her."
Here is the piece itself:
http://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/HarpersMagazine-1998-01-0059425.pdf |
Date: January 6th, 2013 7:50 PM Author: beady-eyed site ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380409) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:58 PM Author: Razzle Lettuce yw brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380470) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:01 PM Author: Misunderstood codepig There were actually friendly IRL IIRC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380489) |
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Date: November 7th, 2015 10:12 AM Author: Comical Reading Party Field This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#29129865) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 5:47 AM Author: Razzle Lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580741) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:05 AM Author: wonderful plum people who are hurt set Jesus. That is literally unreadable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580754) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:13 AM Author: mischievous piazza nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580762) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:21 AM Author: Razzle Lettuce and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank bumps and you'd be responsible for half of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580773) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:29 PM Author: Spectacular Office LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581914) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM Author: Razzle Lettuce (xo 2007 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581958) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:32 PM Author: aggressive cuckold ceo Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages before my eyes glazed over, and it just seemed to be a rant about an insecure girl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581935) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM Author: Razzle Lettuce Of course there are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581961) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM Author: aggressive cuckold ceo ...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I want to see them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581972) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:23 PM Author: aggressive cuckold ceo Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, and every other line ends with a hyphenated word. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581876) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM Author: Disturbing stubborn national hunting ground is he a good writer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580758) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM Author: Swollen ape foreskin yes, and this is a 180 piece (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580759) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM Author: Disturbing stubborn national hunting ground last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnotes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580768) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM Author: Swollen ape foreskin sorry for your loss (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580769) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM Author: Disturbing stubborn national hunting ground thank you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580775) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM Author: wonderful plum people who are hurt set I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curious feelings of affection that once were had by a person resembling something like me. They were ostensibly about a female, albeit a depressed one and it's unclear if her pater familias was even kind to her at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580770) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM Author: Swollen ape foreskin oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle head, anon. maybe go back to posting about arrow or blacks or whatever until the pain goes away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580774) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:23 AM Author: Razzle Lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580777) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM Author: wonderful plum people who are hurt set Its fucking terrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580780) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM Author: Swollen ape foreskin well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580781) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:27 PM Author: Salmon Trust Fund Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average literary mind! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581896) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:01 AM Author: Awkward lascivious cuck affirmative action ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310543) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:12 AM Author: mischievous piazza nowag Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2842172&mc=9&forum_id=2 |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:16 AM Author: Disturbing stubborn national hunting ground 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580766) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM Author: mischievous piazza nowag ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580772) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM Author: Razzle Lettuce no, ty friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580778) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM Author: mischievous piazza nowag for what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580779) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:26 AM Author: Razzle Lettuce for setting up that 180 i guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580783) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:28 AM Author: Swollen ape foreskin by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i always figured it was mostly about himself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580784) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:32 AM Author: Razzle Lettuce nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the subject of the cartoons in the article look exactly like her. and that a major magazine matter of factly stated it was about her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580789) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:34 AM Author: Swollen ape foreskin i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i wrote a story about a paedomorphic female who posted on a racist law board, it could still be "about" me. you know?
and lol at believing rolling stone; it's 2015. |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:36 AM Author: Razzle Lettuce 2012, actually.
and you seem dumb. |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:41 AM Author: Swollen ape foreskin i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looking at things wrong. i suggest you improve that, friend, and come back to me when you have. i'm sure you'll gain more from talking to me then. shalom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580809) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:44 AM Author: Razzle Lettuce i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring himself into random, banal shit. i don't think an article eviscerating Wurtzel is "about him", at least not to the extent you seem to suggest. she just happens to be where one of his darts landed.
actually, this piece may be more of a prophecy than anything. it could be argued that it is a preemptive response to the 21st century assent of the intolerable, self-absorbed shrew. |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:34 PM Author: Swollen ape foreskin i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he was clinically depressed. that seems like a decent start to an argument that it was first-personal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581947) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:41 PM Author: Razzle Lettuce except he was depressed for entirely different reasons (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582001) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:43 PM Author: Swollen ape foreskin that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn't see snatches of himself in the character, or at least wonder if he was similar deep down. in fact, NOT to do so would be incredibly un-self-aware and un-anxious by his standards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582014) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:20 PM Author: Razzle Lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581849) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:22 PM Author: Spectacular Office Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder the talentless hack blew himself away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581864) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:28 PM Author: Shimmering boltzmann useless brakes Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581909) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM Author: wonderful plum people who are hurt set At least he apparently realized it and killed self (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581971) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:38 PM Author: Appetizing Library Crotch yet they call this a selfish act. why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581977) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM Author: Swollen ape foreskin franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthrough: Realized DFW's Suicide was an Act of Grace" at 5wpm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581992) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:52 PM Author: wonderful plum people who are hurt set 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582087) |
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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:22 PM Author: wonderful plum people who are hurt set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587886) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM Author: Shimmering boltzmann useless brakes I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of hipster neckbeard toolbags. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581985) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:44 PM Author: Razzle Lettuce i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582027) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:46 PM Author: Swollen ape foreskin maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582046) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:47 PM Author: Talented trailer park I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at all but I think I'd get along well with him IRL and he seems like a good dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582048) |
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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:24 PM Author: Apoplectic electric furnace weed whacker guess we know who won that one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587898) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 12:59 AM Author: crystalline bateful fortuitous meteor lay I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work.
My favorite of his works is "Lyndon," published in Girl with Curious Hair. |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:00 AM Author: irradiated public bath i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too controlled, the nonfiction is so much better in my opinion (which I know I share with "guy in your MFA class" twitter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310537) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:04 AM Author: crystalline bateful fortuitous meteor lay I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like DFW's nonfiction better" camp. Everyone I meet says that and I always think they just can't appreciate good fiction with ambiguity.
I mean his nonfiction is ok I think. I like consider the lobster and tense present.
But Girl with Curious Hair? Come on now. It was fantastic. |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:08 AM Author: irradiated public bath I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional nuance of DFW's work is lost ofon me. For me even though his nonfiction is formulaic (it all rises from blips of cognitive dissonance--rage to self-righteousness--to a really bogus epiphany) it's appealing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310609) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:10 AM Author: crystalline bateful fortuitous meteor lay His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly losing his temper at the golf ball that wouldn't go to its home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310625) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:12 AM Author: irradiated public bath ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's looser and has more feeling because of it. Did you read his EW piece on the Adult Video News awards or the Iowa State Fair? Those are pretty good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310632) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:16 AM Author: crystalline bateful fortuitous meteor lay yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair.
I'm just a fiction reader at heart. And I like work that takes risks and is hit or miss. I respect writers who experiment and fail. |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:18 AM Author: irradiated public bath Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more than people, I guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310664) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:19 AM Author: crystalline bateful fortuitous meteor lay fiction has bigger ideas though
Seriously, read "Lyndon." It's my favorite of all of DFW's stories. My Appearance if good too. |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:23 AM Author: irradiated public bath I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhausted. Maybe I'm looking at it in too political a way, but I feel like all the interesting experimentation has been crowded out by SJW politics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310709) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:26 AM Author: effete death wish The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310730) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:27 AM Author: irradiated public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310734) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:07 AM Author: Spruce confused den DFW's goat work: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/playmagazine/20federer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 |