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David Foster Wallace on Elizabeth Wurtzel... 180

"One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtz...
Slate galvanic macaca
  01/06/13
ty
Lemon senate
  01/06/13
yw brother
Slate galvanic macaca
  01/06/13
There were actually friendly IRL IIRC
Brindle hairraiser stead
  01/06/13
This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol.
Bistre filthpig
  11/07/15
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Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
Jesus. That is literally unreadable.
Bateful affirmative action lettuce
  03/30/15
...
Red meetinghouse philosopher-king
  03/30/15
and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank ...
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag"
Ruddy hilarious theater
  03/30/15
(xo 2007
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages...
Snowy windowlicker nursing home
  03/30/15
Of course there are
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I wa...
Snowy windowlicker nursing home
  03/30/15
Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, a...
Snowy windowlicker nursing home
  03/30/15
is he a good writer
Razzle ungodly ticket booth
  03/30/15
yes, and this is a 180 piece
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnot...
Razzle ungodly ticket booth
  03/30/15
sorry for your loss
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
thank you
Razzle ungodly ticket booth
  03/30/15
I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curio...
Bateful affirmative action lettuce
  03/30/15
oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle...
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
...
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
Its fucking terrible.
Bateful affirmative action lettuce
  03/30/15
well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch.
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average litera...
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?
Copper Cruise Ship
  07/12/15
Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT http://www.xox...
Red meetinghouse philosopher-king
  03/30/15
180
Razzle ungodly ticket booth
  03/30/15
ty
Red meetinghouse philosopher-king
  03/30/15
no, ty friend
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
for what?
Red meetinghouse philosopher-king
  03/30/15
for setting up that 180 i guess
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i al...
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the ...
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i ...
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
2012, actually. and you seem dumb.
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looki...
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring h...
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he w...
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
except he was depressed for entirely different reasons
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn'...
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
...
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder th...
Ruddy hilarious theater
  03/30/15
Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL
trip sable marketing idea
  03/30/15
At least he apparently realized it and killed self
Bateful affirmative action lettuce
  03/30/15
yet they call this a selfish act. why
motley electric furnace
  03/30/15
franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthroug...
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
180
Bateful affirmative action lettuce
  03/30/15
...
Bateful affirmative action lettuce
  03/31/15
I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of ...
trip sable marketing idea
  03/30/15
i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro
Slate galvanic macaca
  03/30/15
maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something
orange boyish chapel
  03/30/15
I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at al...
contagious twisted deer antler institution
  03/30/15
guess we know who won that one
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  03/31/15
I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work. ...
Marvelous blathering associate native
  07/12/15
i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too...
charismatic business firm
  07/12/15
I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like...
Marvelous blathering associate native
  07/12/15
I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional n...
charismatic business firm
  07/12/15
His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly los...
Marvelous blathering associate native
  07/12/15
ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's loo...
charismatic business firm
  07/12/15
yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair. I'm just a...
Marvelous blathering associate native
  07/12/15
Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more t...
charismatic business firm
  07/12/15
fiction has bigger ideas though Seriously, read "Lyn...
Marvelous blathering associate native
  07/12/15
I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhaust...
charismatic business firm
  07/12/15
The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standard...
vivacious lodge
  07/12/15
...
charismatic business firm
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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:20 PM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

"One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtzel.

After being rejected by the Prozac Nation author, Wallace wrote the 1998 story "The Depressed Person," basing the title character – the most unpleasant person on Earth – on her."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/six-things-you-didnt-know-about-david-foster-wallace-20120827

Here is the piece itself:

http://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/HarpersMagazine-1998-01-0059425.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380153)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:50 PM
Author: Lemon senate

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380409)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:58 PM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

yw brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380470)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:01 PM
Author: Brindle hairraiser stead

There were actually friendly IRL IIRC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380489)



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Date: November 7th, 2015 10:12 AM
Author: Bistre filthpig

This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#29129865)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 5:47 AM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580741)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:05 AM
Author: Bateful affirmative action lettuce

Jesus. That is literally unreadable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580754)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:13 AM
Author: Red meetinghouse philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580762)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:21 AM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank bumps and you'd be responsible for half of them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580773)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:29 PM
Author: Ruddy hilarious theater

LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581914)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

(xo 2007

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581958)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:32 PM
Author: Snowy windowlicker nursing home

Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages before my eyes glazed over, and it just seemed to be a rant about an insecure girl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581935)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

Of course there are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581961)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: Snowy windowlicker nursing home

...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I want to see them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581972)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:23 PM
Author: Snowy windowlicker nursing home

Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, and every other line ends with a hyphenated word.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581876)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM
Author: Razzle ungodly ticket booth

is he a good writer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580758)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM
Author: orange boyish chapel

yes, and this is a 180 piece

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580759)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM
Author: Razzle ungodly ticket booth

last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnotes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580768)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM
Author: orange boyish chapel

sorry for your loss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580769)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM
Author: Razzle ungodly ticket booth

thank you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580775)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM
Author: Bateful affirmative action lettuce

I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curious feelings of affection that once were had by a person resembling something like me. They were ostensibly about a female, albeit a depressed one and it's unclear if her pater familias was even kind to her at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580770)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM
Author: orange boyish chapel

oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle head, anon. maybe go back to posting about arrow or blacks or whatever until the pain goes away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580774)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:23 AM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580777)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: Bateful affirmative action lettuce

Its fucking terrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580780)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: orange boyish chapel

well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580781)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:27 PM
Author: big fuchsia ladyboy community account

Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average literary mind!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581896)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:01 AM
Author: Copper Cruise Ship

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310543)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:12 AM
Author: Red meetinghouse philosopher-king

Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2842172&mc=9&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580761)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:16 AM
Author: Razzle ungodly ticket booth

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580766)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM
Author: Red meetinghouse philosopher-king

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580772)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

no, ty friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580778)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM
Author: Red meetinghouse philosopher-king

for what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580779)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:26 AM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

for setting up that 180 i guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580783)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:28 AM
Author: orange boyish chapel

by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i always figured it was mostly about himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580784)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:32 AM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the subject of the cartoons in the article look exactly like her. and that a major magazine matter of factly stated it was about her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580789)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:34 AM
Author: orange boyish chapel

i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i wrote a story about a paedomorphic female who posted on a racist law board, it could still be "about" me. you know?

and lol at believing rolling stone; it's 2015.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580792)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:36 AM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

2012, actually.

and you seem dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580795)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:41 AM
Author: orange boyish chapel

i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looking at things wrong. i suggest you improve that, friend, and come back to me when you have. i'm sure you'll gain more from talking to me then. shalom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580809)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:44 AM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring himself into random, banal shit. i don't think an article eviscerating Wurtzel is "about him", at least not to the extent you seem to suggest. she just happens to be where one of his darts landed.

actually, this piece may be more of a prophecy than anything. it could be argued that it is a preemptive response to the 21st century assent of the intolerable, self-absorbed shrew.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580818)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:34 PM
Author: orange boyish chapel

i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he was clinically depressed. that seems like a decent start to an argument that it was first-personal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581947)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:41 PM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

except he was depressed for entirely different reasons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582001)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:43 PM
Author: orange boyish chapel

that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn't see snatches of himself in the character, or at least wonder if he was similar deep down. in fact, NOT to do so would be incredibly un-self-aware and un-anxious by his standards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582014)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:20 PM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581849)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:22 PM
Author: Ruddy hilarious theater

Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder the talentless hack blew himself away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581864)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:28 PM
Author: trip sable marketing idea

Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581909)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: Bateful affirmative action lettuce

At least he apparently realized it and killed self

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581971)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:38 PM
Author: motley electric furnace

yet they call this a selfish act. why

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581977)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM
Author: orange boyish chapel

franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthrough: Realized DFW's Suicide was an Act of Grace" at 5wpm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581992)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:52 PM
Author: Bateful affirmative action lettuce

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582087)



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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:22 PM
Author: Bateful affirmative action lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587886)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM
Author: trip sable marketing idea

I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of hipster neckbeard toolbags.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581985)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:44 PM
Author: Slate galvanic macaca

i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582027)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:46 PM
Author: orange boyish chapel

maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582046)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:47 PM
Author: contagious twisted deer antler institution

I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at all but I think I'd get along well with him IRL and he seems like a good dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582048)



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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:24 PM
Author: Ultramarine diverse piazza son of senegal

guess we know who won that one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587898)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 12:59 AM
Author: Marvelous blathering associate native

I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work.

My favorite of his works is "Lyndon," published in Girl with Curious Hair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310522)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:00 AM
Author: charismatic business firm

i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too controlled, the nonfiction is so much better in my opinion (which I know I share with "guy in your MFA class" twitter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310537)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:04 AM
Author: Marvelous blathering associate native

I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like DFW's nonfiction better" camp. Everyone I meet says that and I always think they just can't appreciate good fiction with ambiguity.

I mean his nonfiction is ok I think. I like consider the lobster and tense present.

But Girl with Curious Hair? Come on now. It was fantastic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310570)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:08 AM
Author: charismatic business firm

I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional nuance of DFW's work is lost ofon me. For me even though his nonfiction is formulaic (it all rises from blips of cognitive dissonance--rage to self-righteousness--to a really bogus epiphany) it's appealing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310609)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:10 AM
Author: Marvelous blathering associate native

His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly losing his temper at the golf ball that wouldn't go to its home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310625)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:12 AM
Author: charismatic business firm

ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's looser and has more feeling because of it. Did you read his EW piece on the Adult Video News awards or the Iowa State Fair? Those are pretty good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310632)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:16 AM
Author: Marvelous blathering associate native

yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair.

I'm just a fiction reader at heart. And I like work that takes risks and is hit or miss. I respect writers who experiment and fail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310655)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:18 AM
Author: charismatic business firm

Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more than people, I guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310664)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:19 AM
Author: Marvelous blathering associate native

fiction has bigger ideas though

Seriously, read "Lyndon." It's my favorite of all of DFW's stories. My Appearance if good too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310671)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:23 AM
Author: charismatic business firm

I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhausted. Maybe I'm looking at it in too political a way, but I feel like all the interesting experimentation has been crowded out by SJW politics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310709)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:26 AM
Author: vivacious lodge

The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310730)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:27 AM
Author: charismatic business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310734)



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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:07 AM
Author: violent sound barrier travel guidebook

DFW's goat work:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/playmagazine/20federer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310597)