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Is Ivan the credited Karamazov brother or Smerdyakov?

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Odious turquoise preventive strike
  05/26/12
Russians are the Niggers of Europe
Swollen shaky plaza son of senegal
  05/26/12
They're not really that athletic.
Odious turquoise preventive strike
  05/26/12
What does that make the Irish?
soul-stirring jet mad-dog skullcap abode
  02/11/13
no, but thick skulled
supple friendly grandma
  08/21/16
Smerdyakov. Ivan is a priss.
Startling spruce foreskin
  05/26/12
No one loves Smerdyakov.
Odious turquoise preventive strike
  05/26/12
not even Dostoevsky
Startling spruce foreskin
  05/26/12
http://www.infidels.org/kiosk/article42.html Possibly t...
Well-lubricated Provocative Personal Credit Line Native
  05/27/12
Fyodor is TCK.
mischievous wrinkle
  02/11/13
how is this even a question? of course it's ivan. smerdyakov...
Learning Disabled Box Office
  02/11/13
what's his moniker
Frisky hall
  07/28/19
alyosha
pungent telephone new version
  02/11/13
No fucking way.
soul-stirring jet mad-dog skullcap abode
  02/11/13
CR dat dere acolyte of father zosima tip
balding blue crackhouse sandwich
  02/11/13
cr. but Ivan is XO. hence unhappy.
Grizzly fat ankles
  08/21/16
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rambunctious stirring half-breed nursing home
  07/28/19
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salmon forum lettuce
  08/21/16
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Frisky hall
  07/28/19
alyosha retard
Lascivious Dilemma
  07/28/19
Smerdyakov is what most XOers are. Ivan is what they aspi...
Grizzly fat ankles
  07/28/19
Alyosha, obviously How is this even a question, the author ...
Bearded Ivory University
  07/28/19


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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:50 PM
Author: Odious turquoise preventive strike



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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:51 PM
Author: Swollen shaky plaza son of senegal

Russians are the Niggers of Europe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#20772954)



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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: Odious turquoise preventive strike

They're not really that athletic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#20772960)



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Date: February 11th, 2013 2:40 PM
Author: soul-stirring jet mad-dog skullcap abode

What does that make the Irish?

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Date: August 21st, 2016 3:27 AM
Author: supple friendly grandma

no, but thick skulled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#31233697)



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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:54 PM
Author: Startling spruce foreskin

Smerdyakov. Ivan is a priss.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#20772974)



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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:55 PM
Author: Odious turquoise preventive strike

No one loves Smerdyakov.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#20772982)



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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:56 PM
Author: Startling spruce foreskin

not even Dostoevsky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#20772992)



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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:21 AM
Author: Well-lubricated Provocative Personal Credit Line Native

http://www.infidels.org/kiosk/article42.html

Possibly the best-known quote from the works of Dostoevsky is this:

"If God does not exist, everything is permitted."

You can see it, for example, on the title page of the self-designated "Dostoevsky Resource on the Net" by Christiaan Stange; and again in the Quotes section of Lu's Greco's Dostoevsky page; and yet again (possibly lifted intact from Stange's page) on Luba Petersen's Dostoevsky site.

This soundbite sentence has propagated widely into popular religious debate on the internet. Like any good soundbite, it neatly encapsulates the fears and hopes of a diverse audience: the believer's fear of, and the nonbeliever's hope for, a secular moral system.

There is only problem with this well-known quote:

Dostoevsky never wrote it!

I say this with confidence because I have searched the online text of the Constance Garnett translation of The Brothers Karamazov, examining every use of "God" and "exist" and "lawful" ("lawful" is how Garnett translates the word that others translate as "permitted").

The sentence does not appear, nor anything close to it. Nor does it appear in any of the other four Dostoevsky novels whose complete English texts are available online. The fact that a nonexistent text can be widely attributed to a famous author reveals the limitations of precomputer scholarship. The fact that I could so quickly prove it erroneous highlights the opportunities for modern scholars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#20774210)



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Date: February 11th, 2013 11:03 AM
Author: mischievous wrinkle

Fyodor is TCK.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#22613917)



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Date: February 11th, 2013 1:28 PM
Author: Learning Disabled Box Office

how is this even a question? of course it's ivan. smerdyakov is a weird little epileptic who tortures cats, and everyone hates him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#22614910)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 9:30 PM
Author: Frisky hall

what's his moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#38602904)



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Date: February 11th, 2013 2:25 PM
Author: pungent telephone new version

alyosha

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Date: February 11th, 2013 2:39 PM
Author: soul-stirring jet mad-dog skullcap abode

No fucking way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#22615424)



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Date: February 11th, 2013 3:20 PM
Author: balding blue crackhouse sandwich

CR dat dere acolyte of father zosima tip

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#22615690)



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Date: August 21st, 2016 3:28 AM
Author: Grizzly fat ankles

cr. but Ivan is XO. hence unhappy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#31233699)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 10:16 PM
Author: rambunctious stirring half-breed nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#38603152)



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Date: August 21st, 2016 3:16 AM
Author: salmon forum lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#31233685)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 9:24 PM
Author: Frisky hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#38602869)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 9:29 PM
Author: Lascivious Dilemma

alyosha retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#38602900)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 9:31 PM
Author: Grizzly fat ankles

Smerdyakov is what most XOers are.

Ivan is what they aspire to be.

Alyosha is what they ought to be (except quotemos -- that scum will always be Smerdyakov).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#38602913)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 10:18 PM
Author: Bearded Ivory University

Alyosha, obviously

How is this even a question, the author spells it out pretty clearly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#38603165)