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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Histrionic Potus
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Snowy talented coldplay fan rigpig
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Stimulating Toilet Seat
  06/15/18
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violet indecent parlour french chef
  06/15/18
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violet indecent parlour french chef
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Wonderful Domesticated Blood Rage
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Violent location
  10/06/21
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Histrionic Potus
  02/12/22
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Echoes of Wisdom
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Peach deranged wagecucks
  06/15/18
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violet indecent parlour french chef
  06/15/18
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hot kitchen chad
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Peach deranged wagecucks
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
orchid public bath
  06/15/18
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abusive heaven
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
violet indecent parlour french chef
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Startling aggressive twinkling uncleanness
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Exciting light theater deer antler
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
charcoal knife garrison
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Wonderful Domesticated Blood Rage
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Peach deranged wagecucks
  06/15/18
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abusive heaven
  06/15/18
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hot kitchen chad
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
chocolate center
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violet indecent parlour french chef
  06/15/18
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Stimulating Toilet Seat
  06/15/18
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hot kitchen chad
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
hot kitchen chad
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charcoal knife garrison
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Self-centered Becky Stage
  06/15/18
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hot kitchen chad
  02/15/21
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Self-centered Becky Stage
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
Histrionic Potus
  10/06/21
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Histrionic Potus
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
purple odious hunting ground area
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
Histrionic Potus
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
floppy lodge shitlib
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
Histrionic Potus
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
floppy lodge shitlib
  06/15/18
Explain
Histrionic Potus
  06/15/18
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Histrionic Potus
  06/16/18
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Histrionic Potus
  09/04/18
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Self-centered Becky Stage
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
impressive sienna step-uncle's house keepsake machete
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Saffron point fortuitous meteor
  06/15/18
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Histrionic Potus
  02/12/21
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Amber house-broken home party of the first part
  02/12/21
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hot kitchen chad
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Histrionic Potus
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
pearl field water buffalo
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
irradiated native place of business
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
Histrionic Potus
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Passionate crimson base
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
Histrionic Potus
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Passionate crimson base
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
Histrionic Potus
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Tantric principal's office tank
  02/12/21
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Amber house-broken home party of the first part
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
pearl field water buffalo
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Tantric principal's office tank
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
vermilion pea-brained market
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Tantric principal's office tank
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
vermilion pea-brained market
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
irradiated native place of business
  02/12/21
lol no
spectacular infuriating legend
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
Electric cumskin pistol
  02/15/21
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Histrionic Potus
  06/29/21
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Histrionic Potus
  10/06/21
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thriller pit
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
cream useless brakes
  10/06/21
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Histrionic Potus
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Snowy talented coldplay fan rigpig

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Stimulating Toilet Seat

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: violet indecent parlour french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253586)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: violet indecent parlour french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43955228)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Wonderful Domesticated Blood Rage

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Violent location

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Histrionic Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43955203)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Echoes of Wisdom ((zurich is stained))



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#49178217)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Peach deranged wagecucks

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: violet indecent parlour french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253066)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: hot kitchen chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253623)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Peach deranged wagecucks

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: orchid public bath

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: abusive heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253024)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: violet indecent parlour french chef

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Startling aggressive twinkling uncleanness

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Exciting light theater deer antler

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: charcoal knife garrison

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Wonderful Domesticated Blood Rage

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Peach deranged wagecucks

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: abusive heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253030)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: hot kitchen chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253696)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: chocolate center

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253012)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: violet indecent parlour french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253073)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Stimulating Toilet Seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253597)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: hot kitchen chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253628)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: hot kitchen chad

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253692)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: charcoal knife garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253708)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Self-centered Becky Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254559)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: hot kitchen chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949790)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Self-centered Becky Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231423)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#48564541)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#49178251)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: purple odious hunting ground area

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: floppy lodge shitlib

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: floppy lodge shitlib

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36256523)



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36743851)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Self-centered Becky Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254823)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: impressive sienna step-uncle's house keepsake machete

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Saffron point fortuitous meteor

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Amber house-broken home party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: hot kitchen chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43271055)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: pearl field water buffalo

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: irradiated native place of business

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Passionate crimson base

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Passionate crimson base

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Tantric principal's office tank

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Amber house-broken home party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: pearl field water buffalo

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Tantric principal's office tank

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: vermilion pea-brained market

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Tantric principal's office tank

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: vermilion pea-brained market

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: irradiated native place of business

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: spectacular infuriating legend

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Electric cumskin pistol

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Histrionic Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#42703414)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Histrionic Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231403)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: thriller pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231440)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: cream useless brakes

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Histrionic Potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2#43955207)