Date: March 14th, 2025 12:04 PM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
This is a generational moment no one thought would ever happen. Meaningful cuts to the government. We've been dreaming about this for years. This will never happen again. We have to strike while it's hot and keep gutting. After this administration it will be back to bloated government business as usual. But we literally voted for this. Eat shit anyone with a weak stomach. Burn it all down. Nothing bad will come of firing government employees. There's no downside.
What's funny is all of this stuff is going to be back as soon as a Democrat is back in office (probably in the next four years), but all you're accomplishing in the meantime is hurting real life people that need government services. Hell isn't good enough for all of you. Hopefully the next purge from the next President will be stripping social media monopolies for parts and going after corruption in your circles, of which there is plenty.
Date: March 14th, 2025 12:09 PM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
I have never once met someone who depends on government programs. Who are these people? The government program is hiring people to do nothing anyway. No one in real life 'depends' on services. You're insane.
Do you understand that we already have the GAO that does independent financial auditing? Why do we need a redundant agency in DOGE whose only purpose to cut funding to lifesaving projects in South Africa or welfare services in Southern West Virginia? Do you think this shit isn't going to come back to bite you? Are you that naive?
Date: March 14th, 2025 12:27 PM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
Why should hard working goyim who put on a hard hat every day and fix people's roofs pay 10% of their income to keeping old people alive and for some bullshit in Africa when they can barely afford rent or their mortgage. They own nothing and have no future. Why do they have to pay for something they don't want to pay for? The government just strongarms working families into forking over a huge percentage of their money. And the only thing they can do about it is vote Trump. You are witnessing the only recourse of the American taxpayer.
Sorry, the taxpayer doesn't get to line item veto what his taxes are being spent on. It's up to Congress to allocate. If you don't like it, vote out your Congressman.
And by the way, foreign aid is how soft power is exercised. Like I said, if you don't like it, vote out your Congressman.
Sounds like you've done all you can do then. If the rest of them want aid packages, tough shit, you live in a democracy. If you don't like that, feel free to secede and be executed as a traitor or move to another country.
President doesn't get to decide that money set aside by Congress doesn't get to be spent. That's why all his actions are tied up in court right now.
Date: March 14th, 2025 12:10 PM Author: outnumbered heady people who are hurt hall
agreed. And it's not like there's some grand plan to cut the debt or even the deficit. There's virtually no savings being realized and no discussion of long-term reforms that might actually save money.
Date: March 14th, 2025 12:11 PM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
Zomg, cons have no plan! They might as well not even try! We should just accept endless debt and big unfettered government forever. Nothing anyone can do!
Date: March 14th, 2025 12:30 PM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
You want to tax people MORE?
Do you know how unaffordable people's lives are? Regular working people making 50k? There are families with 4 kids and two working parents who can't afford to take a vacation, can't afford to own a home. They own nothing. You want to take more money from these people? Do you know how many millions of people don't have enough money to afford anything resembling a middle class life?
How much more should they fork over do you think? How much more should they have to pay for?
Date: March 14th, 2025 12:56 PM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
I am for taxing the rich btw. Fuck em. I don't give a shit about rich people. They ought to pay for. But I am more concerned with cutting taxes for the poor. We really ought to do both. But cutting government spending is good anyway. We can do it all.
Date: March 14th, 2025 8:44 PM Author: ponyboy curtis (If I May, tp)
Because productivity has more than doubled since 1980 and nearly all of the gains have gone to the top 1%. In terms of ability to pay for housing, healthcare, and education, middle class wages have declined precipitously, while the top 0.1% has seen their earnings grow by more than 600%, largely as a result of globalization, automation, and immigration, all of which have been facilitated by the political class they've bought and paid for.
Fuck em, that's why they should pay more. The middle class should be paying fuck all until their standard of living - measured via a metric that specifically excludes the price of imported trinkets - exceeds that of their parents and grandparents. Until then, tax the faggots who've grown fat on globalization.
Date: March 14th, 2025 9:39 PM Author: motley center
so your opinion is based on jealousy and drivel? nice
just to make sure i understand your points:
is the top 1% who have supposedly reaped the gains of productivity, which i suspect is complete bullshit, the same top 1% who exists now (or their heirs)?
how are the 'gains in productivity' measured such that you can say they all went to the top 1%?
the reason this is certain to be bullshit is because these 'gains' can only go to three places (i think)-the workers, the owners, or the consumers
even if it all goes to the owners, which it doesn't, the owners of these companies are not top 1%. go look at your 401k and ira.
the standard of living for the middle class is way better today than it was in the past, btw. way better.
Date: March 15th, 2025 4:57 PM Author: motley center
your problem is not with the wealthy, but with previous generations then
your problem is not with the wealthy, but with the greed of the current generation then
your problem is not with the wealthy, but with the bullshit subsidized healthcare system then
your problem is not with the wealthy, but with the failure of the current generation to live within its means
how has our standard of living improved? better cars, better computers, better phones, better internet, better tvs, better entertainment options, better cancer treatments, etc etc etc
Date: March 15th, 2025 6:11 PM Author: ponyboy curtis (If I May, tp)
Interesting. I never thought of it that way, but I think you're right. Responsibility for the current generation's inability to afford a home or ever retire is due to their failure to live within their means. Too damn much avocado toast is why they'll never own a home, have a stay at home wife, or retire.
And I guess you're right about standards of living, too. Homeownership and retirement are trivial compared to phone, internet, and computer.
Date: March 15th, 2025 11:40 PM Author: motley center
good response.
there are historical references for home prices vs income, home rental vs income.
if you live in an area where your income is not sufficient to meet either historical norm, then you either have to bite the bullet and buy or rent anyway or move
it is very unlikely that the historical norms are not legitimate metrics.
when youngs cannot afford to buy houses, one can assume that the inability is caused by the young doing something different than the previous generations who could. perhaps that is taking on a higher debt load from college than the expected income can support. perhaps that is the result of the young having a sense of entitlement. or not.
the point is that blaming the rich is just being a bitch. the rich don't own multiple homes in any given area (except student housing areas, but those aren't homes for workers)
Date: March 14th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
What are you talking about? I am saying rich should pay more, poor should pay less, and deficit should be paid down. Not sure how this is a bootlicker position.
Date: March 14th, 2025 2:19 PM Author: Contagious ocher piazza
If you’re going to try to equate this to a business context, plenty of companies have much higher debt to earning levels and are perfectly healthy. 2x total leverage ratio would be seen as a totally safe loan by any lender.
Date: March 14th, 2025 9:59 PM Author: motley center
faggeratttt!! missed you, you stupid ignorant faggot
the details of doing a leveraged buyout have fuckall to do with what we are talking about. those are risky moves for capitalists who understand they may lose everthing, but the odds favor their move, faggot
and guess what, faggot, the people selling think the buyers are paying too much
so why don't you go back to answering my question and quit sucking cock?
Date: March 15th, 2025 5:17 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
i don't. im just pointing out how retarded you are for asking for examples of 2x leverage when that level of leverage is extremely common and considered quite reasonable.
Date: March 15th, 2025 5:23 PM Author: motley center
that was to point out why the comparison was stupid, dumbfuck. i wasn't challenging that it existed.
i've made you look foolish so many times and you are just too stupid to wait for me to do similarly. it results in you jumping to stupid fucking conclusions or misinterpreting my posts just to try to jump in like a little lap dog bitch.
how about you ask me if what you think i meant is what i meant before you jump in like an idiot?
if you'll notice, i was asking latham and he wisely backed out of this thread because he said something stupid
Date: March 15th, 2025 5:39 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
you asked "He flexed his right muscle" for an example and he responded, and he was smarter than me by realizing it would be pointless to further engage a stubborn retard that cant just admit he didn't know 2x leverage exists
Date: March 16th, 2025 12:01 AM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
I think there's too much debt and I want to cut government spending and pay it down. I don't give a shit about nearly anything the government does with my money and wish they would stop. I hate paying taxes. I just want my money back. Fucking hate the government and most everything they do. What happened to police, roads, and firefighters. I am not an anarchist I don't think we should reduce spending to zero but it's way too high. We've blown way past the point of fiscal sanity. I can earnestly say that my point of view represents millions of Americans and millions of Trump voters. Sincerely — most people if not nearly everyone.
Date: March 16th, 2025 10:16 AM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
Working class Americans would absolutely LOVE tax hikes and a return to the globalist order. People are clamoring for whatever bullshit we were sending to Pakistan. LTM represents the pulse of the nation.
The responses ITT really drive home what a fucking miracle it is that Trump is actually reducing the size of the government. "Who needs DOGE when we have the GAO???" JFC
Date: March 14th, 2025 4:21 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
non-consecutive second term turned out to be 180^180.
i think trump's ineffectiveness in the first round is because he trusted the experts and the establishment too much. which i think just about anyone would do, after it was still a bunch of small government GOP establishment guys right haha? but everything just gets hamstrung with blue ribbon committees and nothing every happens.
also the biden administration was gracious enough to completely endorse insane woke nonsense so much that it tipped moderates into voting for trump. after all, they saw the world didn't end during his first term, so the "literally hitler" rhetoric fell flat, and the insane shit coming from the dems was far worse than what they know they'd get with trump.
and trump comes back with 2016 levels of energy but this time fully understanding that the *ONLY* way to get the job done is with a flamethrower and chainsaw. and ljl @ all the lib tears. if you faggots weren't focused on resisting half the country at every step of the way perhaps this could have been done in a way that resulted in less collateral damage. but you made it impossible. after decades of attempts it is now obvious that this was the only possible way to even somewhat reduce federal bloat.
He clearly did not expect to win in 2016, did not realize how fucked the entire system was, and was not prepared. Now he has had years to prepare and also has a personal vendetta
Date: March 14th, 2025 3:30 PM Author: Salmon misanthropic jewess tanning salon
“Meaningful cuts to the government”
Bro, 90% of the government is DoD and Medicare. You’re not going to make a meaning cut to government without touching those. Firing a few park rangers and aid coordinators isn’t going to come close to balancing the budget. The best that can be said of DOGE is that the people being most hit are shitlibs looking for sinecures.
Date: March 14th, 2025 4:15 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
this faggoty "drop in a bucket" nonsense is why it took so long to do anything and why all you libs are broke because "it's just ONE funko pop!" when you're credit cards are already maxed.
Date: March 14th, 2025 4:53 PM Author: Bonkers electric affirmative action
Cr ask anyone whose credit cards are maxed what going from 100% to 90% would do for them. Hint: life changing.
Also there's the argument of building momentum. You cut the stuff that's easy to cut first. Then you get the stuff that's harder. You get a 5% reduction in military spending, you make a huge impact. These are all massive numbers. You pay down the deficit and all our tax money isn't going just to servicing the debt, you're in a completely different paradigm.
Trump is bailing out the Boomer generation by handing off to Millennials and Zoomers a country they might one day have the room to govern themselves.
Date: March 14th, 2025 8:37 PM Author: Salmon misanthropic jewess tanning salon
The biggest problem is that it alienates a bunch of otherwise republican voters on an issue that doesn’t even matter. Immigration is literally the only issue that matters, and if Trump manages to associate doing the needful about immigrants with personal pain and economic misery, then the floodgates will open in 4 years and your grandkids will be speaking Igbo.
Faggot libs when it comes time to pressure you to 'recycle' and eat the bugs goy: "Sure, individually you might only constitute one tiny drop of pollution pouring into the ocean... but there are billions of people of earth and all of those drops add up!"
Same faggot libs re DOGE: "LOL who cares about all of these little stupid cuts, oh wow another $10 million here big whoop this is all meaningless you idiots!"
Libs we see all of this clearly now and ur all gonna die
Date: March 15th, 2025 12:17 AM Author: Cracking Abode
cuts and savings that will all go to tax cuts for billionaires. ironically they lost billions with trump's pro-stagflation economic "policy" or whatever the fuck he's doing these days
Date: March 15th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: Idiotic sooty lay
It’s a miracle that anyone with actual power is looking at government spending seriously.
We’re heading towards this inevitable death spiral where interest for our debt becomes unserviceable (which will cause yields to spike and make the problem 10x worse) and for years there have been no adults in the room to even seriously consider the problem while we deficit spend at an unprecedented rate during peacetime. And now all Dems can do is talk about how mean it is to fire fed workers and how Elon has too much power or something.
Date: March 15th, 2025 2:59 PM Author: outnumbered heady people who are hurt hall
The adults in the room are about to enact a giant tax cut that will balloon the deficit once again. We’re still living with the impacts of the Bush tax cuts (10 trillion and counting) and the 2017 trump tax cuts. The savings from DOGE will amount to maybe 0.25% of the annual budget. Get some prospective.
Date: March 15th, 2025 5:34 PM Author: Idiotic sooty lay
It’s way more than 0.25% if they achieve their stated goals. We’re less than 2 months into this effort
And yeah Biden added trillions to the debt through the American Rescue plan, climate bs, student loan policies. The difference being austerity wasn’t part of the discussion.
Obviously it’s not even close to enough. So we should just do nothing I guess? The point is that it’s a miracle that anyone is doing anything. We’re prob still fucked.
Date: March 15th, 2025 7:01 PM Author: outnumbered heady people who are hurt hall
The new tax cuts will increase the debt far more than whatever pittance is saved through DoGE. Debt is over 30 trillion. Easily a third of it is due to bush and trump tax cuts.
Date: March 16th, 2025 9:55 AM Author: Cracking Abode
You can safely assume a conservative 5x estimate of tax cuts being at least 5x vs whatever "savings" come from these mass government layoffs. The stagflation he's bringing is a fiasco onto itself.
Date: March 16th, 2025 9:41 AM Author: outnumbered heady people who are hurt hall
The admin is pushing the big tax cut bill just as they did in 2017 and the Bush admin did in his first term. The debt would be far far more manageable in a world without those tax cuts. We ended the Clinton admin with deficits mostly eliminated. The debt problem, to the degree it exists, is the fault of the entire right-wing in this country, including trump. Not just the current GOP congressional caucus.
Gonna be a long four years for you brother. PS: The Wise Latina ain't looking so hot these days and we still have 3.8 more years left on Trump's clock... 7-2 could easily be on the table before this is all over...