John Derbyshire on the oddity of white guilt
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:04 PM Author: Swashbuckling persian
To be fair,
John Derbyshire: "You know, I'll just come out and admit it; I kind of like the East As--"
Everyone: "We know, you fucking dysgenic autistic AGWWG dork."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44905984) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:12 PM Author: 180 mother
Your thesis is that Christianity was a Jewish scam designed to infect the white unconscious / subconscious with guilt.
I object to various assumptions but here's a counterargument.
If your thesis were true, I'd expect early Christians to have more racial guilt than later Christians, since they'd have greater fidelity to the scam.
But we in fact see the opposite pattern: racial equalitarianism doesn't really come to the fore until after the Protestant Reformation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906020) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:20 PM Author: Vigorous Digit Ratio Spot
i did a whole post on this which you avoided and you're free to respond to. it had over 100 comments in it. the core of the scam is its jewish bolshevik spiritual equality (for believers). everyone is equal so long as they believe in Christ. once it spread everywhere, the belief in equality stayed as its primary tenant and they just dropped the focus on God.
the opposite of Christianity is a belief in inequality and hierarchy, a belief in hatred of out-groups and in the purifying act of war.
of course there should be a balance between the two Apollonian and Dionysian extremes, but we have been tilted toward the former for an extremely long time.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906066) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:26 PM Author: 180 mother
Can you link me? I didn't see your other poast.
FWIW I tend to agree with you about the Genealogy of Morals part, I just think it is implausible that there was any far-sighted group that intentionally crafted Christianity for subversive purposes. There are constantly people forming similar cults during vision quests and drug trips, etc.
You seem to me to oversimplify a complicated history and to commit the agentic fallacy (in assuming that historical changes must be caused by agents with an intent to effect the change, rather than an agglomeration of circumstance).
Also, I think you give Jews too much credit and too much power. Jews just were not that powerful pre-17th century or so; modern Ashkenazi only arose around that time (with a genetic bottleneck).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906098) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:39 PM Author: 180 mother
Because Bolshevism wasn't invented until the 20th century and has its roots in Marx and Hegel and people like Chernyshevsky. In turn, Marx and Hegel & co. couldn't have done their work without the Protestant Reformation (the notion that Luther was a tool of the Jew Cabal is risible).
To be sure, as Nietzsche sets out in GoM, there were latent seeds of equalitarian/universalist thought in the New Testament. But there's no warrant to think they were intended to develop along these lines, much less designed for that purpose (how do you explain the middle ages, for example?)
The concept of a "Jewish people," in the sense an American thinks of the term, hadn't even been invented yet. (And it's been a moving target.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906167) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 4:11 PM Author: 180 mother
Oh, how hurtful.
It seems to me you read Genealogy of Morals and then crafted a conspiracy theory based on it that seeks to explain and predict historical fact even though it is a history of ideas and Peoples in the Spenglerian sense. You don't seem to have a good handle on, among other topics essential to your thesis, population genetics, history, the history of ideas, or philosophy.
And while I'm sure your kneejerk will be to say, "oh yeah but JEWS BAD," note that I earlier offered an alternative explanation that could also be classified as "Jews bad" were one so inclined -- so it ain't about one's attitudes towards Jews one way or the other.
In essence, you just anachronistically project social trends of modern (~19th century) vintage back thousands of years and then ask, "but musn't it have already been this way?!" And the answer is: no.
This is to the extent you have a core thesis at all. It seems to morph and change. I guess it's something like, the unchanging Jewish people, unified in Will and consistent across Time, cooked up Christianity to enfeeble the master class, and Christianity has since been at the root of just about every social ill.
I'm not sure what could possibly disprove your hypothesis. I don't think it's falsifiable. Christianity is at the center of Western culture, generally, so everything will be based on Christianity. Were the Crusades a Jewish ploy? The Inquisition? Various peasant uprisings that turned into pogroms? None would occur without Christianity!
It's all a wash. I take it you were raised Christian, or something? Because it seems to me you've come up with a Christian-like Devil figure, the Immortal Jew. I was not raised in any religion (and I'm also not mudblood / Jewish, like you prob are tbh) so I'm free of your hangups here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906358) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:41 PM Author: Swashbuckling persian
To be fair,
"Ya know, the whole concept of 'Jewish people' wasn't invented until fairly recently! Before the 20th Century, no one was really even thinking about 'the Jews' in those terms, including 'the Jews' themselves!"
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906178) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:43 PM Author: Swashbuckling persian
To be fair,
I estimate that the max IQ to be "based" enough to have found XO and participate in dialogue on this bort for years on end, and yet still actually believe something like that, is ~95. That's like the absolute ceiling.
Either that or you're literally Jewish yourself and you know exactly what you're doing (poorly btw) here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906200) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:46 PM Author: Swashbuckling persian
To be fair,
Sit down for this, it's gonna come as a shock:
For literally thousands of years, "the Jews" have consciously styled themselves as and behaved as one of the most disciplined and highly tribalistic groups (this encompasses both religious belief and ethnic identity) on this planet, and the vast majority of people who have come into contact with them for any extended period of time have recognized them as precisely that -- to the point where they, specifically identified as "the Jews," have literally been kicked out of over 100 countries over the last 1000 years.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906213) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:53 PM Author: 180 mother
Well if you don't want me to split hairs don't give me so much pilpul.
My claim again was:
>>The concept of a "Jewish people," in the sense an American thinks of the term, hadn't even been invented yet. (And it's been a moving target.)
You asserted:
>>>For literally thousands of years, "the Jews" have consciously styled themselves as and behaved as one of the most disciplined and highly tribalistic groups (this encompasses BOTH RELIGIOUS BELIEF and ethnic identity) on this planet,...
(emphasis added).
I asked how what you wrote was in tension with what I wrote; if anything, it seems you're supporting what I wrote.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906254) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:52 PM Author: Cerise ungodly cumskin turdskin
so i'm white? i'm basque and spanish. my grandfather was born in basque country in the pyranees.
and why aren't irish white or poles white?
follow up: who is black?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906249)
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:55 PM Author: Vigorous Digit Ratio Spot
you're a mudblood, is this not obvious? and you look black to everyone you know.
irish and poles are basically "white", but i like to exclude them because of the distinct personality traits i outlined above. they behave much more like low class, low IQ blacks than other white groups.
black people are those with at least partial genetic from central and south africa and/or various islands.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906268) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 5:55 PM Author: Avocado Philosopher-king Forum
The whole "Irish/Polish aren't white" thing is mostly just half-serious internet polemic that nobody believes IRL. If we drop that and accept all European groups as white, I think it can clearly be seen that your objections are without merit. Consider this image:
https://tutorials-cdn.pixelmator.com/gradient-tool/top.jpg
Which parts are "green"? Sure, there are some parts of the image where it's debatable whether it's green or blue, or green or yellow, but there is also a part of the image that is definitely green, and most of the image is definitely not green. You can't just point to it and say "you can't clearly define which parts are green, therefore color is arbitrary and based on moving goalposts."
Of course this is a simplistic analogy, but I think we all know what "white people" means, and we can all easily classify the vast majority of the people in the world as either white or non-white. Yes, there are debatable edge cases to quibble over (are the various Middle Eastern ethnicities "white"? what percentage of European ancestry does a mixed-race person need to have to qualify as white? etc.) but that doesn't mean that the "white" category is hopelessly arbitrary/cultural. There is of course an element of arbitrariness/culture to it, but not so much that it isn't a useful concept.
Even many of the mixed-race cases are still easy to resolve. E.g. everyone agrees that Barack Obama obviously belongs in the black category despite having 50% European ancestry.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906791) |
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Date: July 24th, 2022 3:52 PM Author: Swashbuckling persian
To be fair,
"Based" Ted Beckersted: "Race isn't real btw."
*All of the "Based" white XO Christcucks -- who performatively bemoan seeing pathetic Boomers shamelessly slobber all over pet niggers like Candace Owens, but who also loooooooooooove Ted Beckersted and act like he's some sort of an incredible genius simply because he's not ghetto and retarded and he ascribes to the tenets of Christianity -- applaud wildly*
Ted to be clear you seem like a nice guy and I have nothing against you personally, but lol just lol @ you and everyone I described above it's just a fucking minstrel show at this point and even though I am literally gay and retarded myself, I'm still embarrassed to be "on the same side" as any of you people at this point. Morty take the wheel, let's just end this hellish facade.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5159945&forum_id=2#44906247) |
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