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“grunge” was a very short lived phenomenon in popular music
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:07 PM Author: fantasy-prone legal warrant double fault it was like 3-5 years depending how you measure then everyone moved on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686404) |
Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:09 PM Author: Brass set It really wasn't a musical genre, just a scene so of course it was brief and music that copied the sound (post-grunge) was popular for years after (Bush, Silverchair, Nickleback, etc.). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686419) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:12 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property There was a concerted effort to kill it and its decidedly anti-consumer aesthetic and messaging from hands high in the fashion and design worlds Marc Jacobs talked about this some iirc |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:13 PM Author: impressive stimulating people who are hurt queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686431) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:13 PM Author: Vigorous private investor old irish cottage Good riddance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686435) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:14 PM Author: magenta gaping address didnt it basically define the '90's? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686440) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:18 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property It defined the hangover from the late 80s NAFTA, business centralizations, ex-CIA president, corporate raiding and the titillating spectacle of bloodshed attached to it struck the savage blow and average proles in the PNW and Rust Belt ended up footing the bill Hence "grunge". The refusal |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:24 PM Author: Vigorous private investor old irish cottage (new DARPA hire) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686483) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:41 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property I actually have few problems with BIGFED as an institution and recognize that some of my woes come from misuse of the privileged device and callousness about Masonry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686543) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:46 PM Author: Vigorous private investor old irish cottage I’ve completely derealized
Have you ever been somewhere where nobody knows you? |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 4:13 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property "Well I can't disagree with your statements so I'm just going to character assassinate you and force you to make every single statement through the color of your personal experience, personality vectors, communal bearing, etc" "Pull the file, Uzi" Enough of this. Discuss the matters at hand as they come and stop putting all of your energies on silencing and disrupting whatever good sense to nonsense I feel like saying |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 4:36 PM Author: Vigorous private investor old irish cottage Hey I’m trying to help
Just a question think about it |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 5:18 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property Sometimes The adversary role is a valuable one but you take it too far when it becomes solely about vivisection and not arguing about the merits of this or that thing that we discuss here Furthermore it skews well made and moderate criticisms into grotesque exaggerations of what they're supposed to touch on, disrupts the germaneness of the proceedings (which historically has been an important thing for me), and introduces a strange sort of pornographic vector that detracts from the seriousness of the points I make otherwise Grunge is the topic itt and a more or less neutral one we can all talk about without the sectarian squabbling that's defined the discourse here for a while now |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:30 PM Author: Crystalline Nowag Rigpig lol nafta didn’t take effect until 1994 and Cobain was dead three months and change later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686499) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:42 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property Now try addressing the substance of the comment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686550) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 4:02 PM Author: Crystalline Nowag Rigpig The economic malaise of the moment was mostly a hangover from the 80s, but had nothing to do with NAFTA. It was the S&L crisis fallout that cause a short and relatively low pain recession in 91, but was the basis for Clinton’s “It’s the Economy, stupid” and “I feel your pain” schtick. The other major social trend was a massive crack and violent crime epidemic culminating in the LA riots in 92. And this was all happening against a backdrop of the collapse of the Soviets and the eastern bloc. So it was a moment where Gen Xers were proudly rejecting boomer culture on various axes—rejecting suburbs for urbanism, rejecting materialism for more austere and bohemian lifestyles, rejecting loud bright colors and tight fits in fashion, huge hair sprayed hair, and espousing an overall baseline of cynicism and anti-establishment sentiment that was still resigned to remaining the subordinate/subverter to the proverbial “dominant paradigm.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686634) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 4:35 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property Ty and apologies for the snippiness Reply incoming |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 5:36 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property My mistake re the timing of NAFTA; I use it as a bellwether point of demarcation for the greater thrust of economic trends associated with it that would later be considered to be the HW/Clintonian epoch of neoliberalism. The thing that afaik rolled out its banner to wash the hands of establishment figures and institutions of the free for all economic carnage and intranational cannibalistic violence, and the many looted citizen households produced as result, of the mid-late 80s. Cultural trends also do not match corresponding economic trends 1:1 in placement in time due to what I consider to be a sort of "lag" that happens for reasons relating to translation error, organic obfuscation, or inherent contradiction of substance between the two spheres at work On the last bit Agreed re the implicit charge but also believe that the result there comes from an intentionally inculcated "poverty of language"/"poverty of description" that prevents the impetus of the cultural movement (that grunge existed as an appendage of) from expressing or manifesting itself in ways that do not involve the mechanisms of economic production nor the spectacle. I don't think Xers can fairly be snickered at and defined solely as hypocrites for being reduced to the spiritual poverty of buying Cobain t-shirts within the bright lights and comfortable air conditioning of the local GAP store; this implies a sort of agency precluded by the forces of economically driven cultural capture working within, on, and against the frustrations and struggles that birthed grunge as a movement to begin with |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 5:17 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property mt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686884) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:20 PM Author: fantasy-prone legal warrant double fault no just the first half
Cobain suicided in 94, Layne was too much of a junkie to make new music after 95, Pearl Jam turned to shit, and everyone just kinda forgot about Soundgarden |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:26 PM Author: Crystalline Nowag Rigpig Down on the Upside went platinum in the summer of 96. They broke up in 97 after headlining Lollapalooza in 96 and going straight into a world tour that they all hated apparently, but easily could’ve kept going if they wanted to. Cornell went on to form Audioslave and their first record went 3x platinum. Of all the grunge bands other than Pearl Jam they were easily the most durable, probably because they were the most talented in a rock star sense, even if they weren’t at Cobain’s level as songwriters or Jerry Cantrell’s level as musicians. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686490) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:19 PM Author: Crystalline Nowag Rigpig It was a launching pad to all the other indie label 90s stuff via a higher end/prestige indie (Sub Pop), and was conceived of as the best bridge between the hard rock crossovers of the late 80s ie GnR, Poison, etc. and a newer rock sound that would be more appealing to and durable with Gen Xers as a critique of and rebellion against boomers self-indulgent and narcissistic me generation bullshit. It was wildly successful in achieving this goal, and literally thousands of bands benefitted well into the aughts see eg a band like Modest Mouse who never would’ve had a chance to break big without the indie label pipeline that grunge established, and all the touring infrastructure and major label interest and marketing apparatus that it fostered. I saw Modest Mouse literally open for Fugazi in Austin in 1998. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686467) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:29 PM Author: French Indian Lodge Party Of The First Part It’s horrible music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686498) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:32 PM Author: magenta gaping address its full of angst and disdain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686507) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 3:43 PM Author: Lascivious immigrant locus Gen X just sucks imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531877&forum_id=2#47686553) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 4:37 PM Author: Chartreuse disturbing property Gen-Xers got screwed Don't blame the victims, especially if you lodge complaints about Boomers |
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Date: May 23rd, 2024 5:21 PM Author: Lascivious immigrant locus It’s just fun to mock them bc they’re Ruined. Ruination is funniest when it first hits. Gen X is the first Ruined Gen. nobody thinks it’s funny when zoomers do gay shit or cry themselves to sleep or live in squalor bc it’s expected
Like a Gen X guy fastidiously and anachronistically working hard and getting ignored/fired by an Indian CEO or managed by Women is funny imo |