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Date: April 17th, 2008 1:56 PM Author: smoky cuckoldry Unreal.
From: Someone in Administraion Date: Apr 16, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: [Info] A message from Councilman Wolfson To: boyd listserve [I forward the message below at the request of Las Vegas City Councilman Steve Wolfson, who, as some of you know, also is a former federal and state prosecutor who now has a criminal defense practice. The Councilman is looking to address a critical need for school crossing guards in our city and seeks our assistance . . .]
----- Forwarded by UNLV on 04/16/2008 01:52 PM ----- Dean ******:It was great meeting with you last week. We appreciate your time. Councilman Wolfson would like to encourage any William S. Boyd School of Law student interested in earning a few extra dollars, and helping our community, to consider applying to be a school crossing guard, through Metro's Crossing Guard program.There is a great need for crossing guards at the intersections of Maryland Parkway and Twain and at Twain and Swenson. The pay is $8.91 per hour and they are guaranteed 2.5 hours per day (just a little over $22 per day) . . .
Sincerely, ****** ***** Liaison to Councilman Steve Wolfson
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Date: April 17th, 2008 1:58 PM Author: iridescent supple place of business jew BIGCROSSINGGUARD LAW TO $9/HOUR! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642513) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:02 PM Author: Fighting Irradiated Internal Respiration ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642526) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 8:43 PM Author: Sepia Pozpig BIG MOTHERFUCKING MONEY! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9644484) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 10:51 AM Author: Floppy balding center wrinkle If this isn't horrible flame, then please consider sending the original email (with your name redacted) to above the law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9646695) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 10:52 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry Already did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9646703) |
Date: April 17th, 2008 2:07 PM Author: Brilliant abode associate LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642556) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:10 PM Author: dun trust fund If a dean at my LS sent me this email I would reply with a 2 word email: Fuck you.
The end. |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:28 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath tcr, especially if you had $150k in loans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642654) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 8:44 PM Author: Sepia Pozpig You mean loans in the amount of 16,835 hours of guarding the crosswalk? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9644490) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:36 PM Author: sick sex offender home At one point, when I was in love with the idea of living in Las Vegas, I considered applying to UNLV. I assume I would have earned a significant scholarship... wonder how that would have turned out... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642694) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:39 PM Author: carmine cocky meetinghouse corn cake http://www.williamspta.org/faculty/2004_crossing_guard_2.JPG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642714) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 8:46 PM Author: Sepia Pozpig That's Crossing Guard, Esq. to you, bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9644499) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 11:44 PM Author: concupiscible olive rigor Dr. I.M. Krausengard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645472) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:30 AM Author: maize razzle shrine gotta love the nascar fanny pack. which one is #3, Dale Earnhardt Jr.??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645664) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:17 PM Author: Tantric Stag Film Boistinker senior, dip shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9647017) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:41 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath i know a guy who is one of the top 5 in the current graduating class (not top 5%, but one of the top 5). he's one of the few who landed a job at one of the top local firms. starting salary: $65k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642720) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:42 PM Author: Brilliant abode associate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642724) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:42 PM Author: Brilliant abode associate dont the top local firms pay ~100k? either way that's crazy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642729) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:44 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath yeah, this is what i thought too. i'm not sure of the firm he's going to, just that it's a desirable one that's hard to get (he's a friend of a friend). pretty sure its not national though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642735) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 10:11 AM Author: overrated locus circlehead what kind of douchebag "friend of a friend" talks about his salary to somebody he barely knows? maybe this is typical among lawyers with god complexes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9646545) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 10:13 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath didn't tell me directly. my 3L friend (who is good friends with the guy mentioned above) told me when i asking about the vegas market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9646547) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 8:42 PM Author: smoky cuckoldry There are a few firms in the $120-$140 range for 2,000 billables but they are generally small (i.e., 10 total attorneys) outposts of regional firms. The firms that do the most hiring (classes of 4-5 SAs) are in the $100 - $120 range for 1850 hours.
If memory serves, roughly 10-15 get jobs through OCI (in a class of 100). There are also a lot of 2-5 man shops in town which I have to imagine the top 5 person referenced earlier ended up. |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 8:58 PM Author: Brilliant abode associate where did you end up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9644558) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:00 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry One of the [relatively] biglaw shops (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645553) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 9:51 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath which are the firms at $100-$120? all i could find was this old atl post:
http://www.abovethelaw.com/2007/06/nationwide_pay_raise_watch_las.php |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:22 PM Author: Bronze Shitlib Ballard Spahr, fox rothschild, greenberg traurig, hale lane, holland hart, snell wilmer, lionel sawyer, mcdonald, jones vargas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645083) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:30 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath those all have 4-5 summers? i thought (based on thread above) greenberg taurig, ballard spahr, hale lane were just toehold offices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645118) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:31 PM Author: Bronze Shitlib Don't know. They all pay $100-120, but who knows how many summers they take. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645129) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 11:42 PM Author: Sepia Pozpig NALP Directory doesn't know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645465) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 11:52 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath i was being lazy. they seem to all take 1-3 summers, with pay averaging around $105. 2L is an average of $1800/wk. billables are averaging about 1850 (nothing higher than 1950). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645515) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:02 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry snell, lewis, lionel sawyer, kkbr and a few others will probably have 3 - 5/year.
The ones you mentioned will have 1 -2. |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:22 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath According to NALP, for 2008:
Snell: 2 summers, 4 first year assoc. starting $110k, 2000 hrs.
Lewis & Roca (I'm assuming this is who you meant): oddly, not on NALP.
Lionel Sawyer: no employment numbers listed. starting $110k, 1800 hrs.
KKBR: also no employment numbers listed. starting at $95k, 1900 hrs. only pay summers $1650.
Jones Vargas: 6 summers, 2 first year associates (that's no good, and has been consistent for the past three years). $102k starting. 1850 hrs.
Ballard: 2 summers and 1-2 first year associates. start at $133k. 1950 hrs.
Holland Hart: 2 summers, 1 associate and 3 laterals (looks like they're growing this office). start at $120k, 1800 hrs.
no one else has summer info or first year numbers listed (or only 1 in either category), so i assume opportunities are limited.
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:44 AM Author: Sepia Pozpig Might as well live in Phoenix and make more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645718) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:45 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath except Phoenix is just as hot but without the economic growth or the strip, and all that entails. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645723) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:53 AM Author: Sepia Pozpig You think the economy is weaker in Phoenix? What makes you think that? The two cities were growing at dizzing rates for years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645752) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 1:01 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath how is it now though? i know money is still flowing into vegas (despite the residential real estate drop).
edit: see, e.g., dubai's sovereign wealth fund's $5 bil. investment in city center. |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 1:03 AM Author: Sepia Pozpig "how is it now though?"
I don't know. You tell me. You're the expert. |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 1:08 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath i meant Phoenix. i don't know much about Phoenix. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645800) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 9:57 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry MGM just laid off 440 in middle management. Litigation is the only practice group making hours. Economy definitely slowing. We'll see what happens when Citycenter, Echelon, Fontainebleau open next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9646521) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 10:06 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath yeah i saw that in the wsj the other day. it seems residential is slooowly picking back up though (don't know what's going to happen to the condo market in 2010 when all those units go up for sale though). what practice area are you in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9646535) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 10:39 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry Corporate/Real Estate. Will be dabbing in lit to get some more hours since things are slow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9646647) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:33 AM Author: Electric keepsake machete A bunch of people from my law school work in vegas. This is a lie because (1) they pay more than that and there's at least a few UNLV people at his firm and (2) the biglaw firms that roam the middle of the country are buying vegas up like crazy and paying non-coast biglaw rates. UNLV students don't do too well, but the good firms there pay of (and considering how cheap vegas is if you don't gamble, which is a problem...) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645678) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:46 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath a bunch? what school? it doesn't seem like the firms recruit *that* many people all together (see above). and what i said was true, friend is a 3L at UNLV. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645728) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 3:34 PM Author: smoky cuckoldry I'm guessing you go to USD, McGeorge, or BYU. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9647780) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 3:45 PM Author: dun trust fund I heard McGeorge (Pacific) is rancid. Can you confirm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9647829) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 4:53 PM Author: smoky cuckoldry No but pre-UNLV law the majority of the locals went to one of those three schools so there are tons of alumni here who still hire from their alma maters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9648185) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:38 PM Author: Indecent up-to-no-good stead this is not that bad. i get emails all the time for community involvement volunteer opportunities (never for school crossing guards though). at least these clowns are getting some scratch on the side. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642711) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 2:59 PM Author: histrionic locale becky fuck. they need to just shut schools like this down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642822) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 3:01 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath FYI: UNLV is Tier 1. Need to close Tiers 2-4 first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642828) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 3:10 PM Author: Slate state Ranked #88 = Tier 1? ORLY?!? http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/grad/law/search/page+4 |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 3:13 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath your link does not work. however, mine does:
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/grad/law/search/page+4
Edit: that was a lie. we actually posted the same link. anywhere, here's the copy-paste:
88 University of Nevada--Las Vegas (Boyd) Las Vegas, NV Score 41 Tier 1 Out-of-state tuition (full-time) $20,302 2007 Total enrollment (full-time) 341 |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 3:16 PM Author: Slate state By USNews standards, there is no tier 2. It goes straight from tier 1 to 3. This is absurd.
Also: Copy and paste the link into the browser, dumbfuck. |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 8:47 PM Author: Bateful new version xoxo influence, obviously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9644504) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:14 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath you are right, my mistake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645041) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 3:13 PM Author: odious disturbing fanboi actually, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642899) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 3:15 PM Author: Vibrant lake boiling water no BIGCASINOLAW? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9642908) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:15 PM Author: sick sex offender home That's what I thought I wanted. I'm not really sure it exists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645047) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:06 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry Depends on what you mean. In NV, "gaming" law means regulatory where Brownstein and Lionel Sawyer do the bulk of the work.
For the non-regulatory work, no one really owns that market. It's pretty spread out. A couple of boutiques do specialized work with lots of gaming clients like GT and its IP practice and Kamer which does a lot of employment stuff. |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:18 PM Author: Bronze Shitlib Serious question: How hard to crack one of the better paying LV jobs from a T10 school?
I, like a poster before me, was once enthralled with the idea of living in Vegas. I've only visited a few times and have otherwise no connections, but think it would be pretty sweet to make $150k and get really good at poker. |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:31 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath me too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645127) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:34 PM Author: sick sex offender home That poster was me. From what I can tell, the best Vegas jobs are satellite offices from LA (and a few national firms). To get one of these, you need a great resume and legit Vegas connections.
I'm no longer planning on Vegas (but I'll be there 3x a year for the rest of my life if I'm lucky), but it would be quite the life.
EDIT: It basically the same as trying to get a job in any of the other sweet secondary cities with smaller legal markets... places like Philadelphia, Austin, Seattle, Madison, etc. |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:37 PM Author: Bronze Shitlib Hm, maybe I could manufacture some connections. Who knows, but that would be extremely sweet. I love Vegas, and actually having a nice cash flow would rock. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645156) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:39 PM Author: sick sex offender home A better plan, make $160 somewhere else and make sure you blow ridiculous money once a year. The best way to do Vegas is to go all out for a short period of time. Once or twice a year stay at the Wynn, eat like a king, gamble big money, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645167) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:48 PM Author: Bronze Shitlib Yeah, that's where I stay. Fucking LOVE that place, especially the Ferrari/Maserati dealership on premises and the shopping.
I know it would be more fun to go all out, but it would be pretty badass to leave work and hit the tables for a bit with free drinks to unwind. |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:53 PM Author: sick sex offender home I spent a weekend at the Wynn a few months ago. I was able to scratch together about $1.5k for three days (not including airfare and the hotel bill, which was comped to a friend of a friend). One of the best weekends of my life. Imagine doing it with $6-8K and not giving a fuck if you left penniless. Ahhh biglaw, so close yet so far (I hate finals). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645230) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:55 PM Author: Bronze Shitlib lulz. Exactly. I don't go unless I have money to lose, otherwise it's pretty stressful.
Then you can start playing $25 and $50 minimums on blackjack and not giving a fuck. |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:57 PM Author: sick sex offender home Seriously. Also, I know a guy who spent a year working in Vegas, and he tells me it kinda wears off. He stopped going to the strip, hated the heat and the traffic, wished he was in a real city, etc. But now he's part of my Vegas trip group, and he absolutely loves it... worth considering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645245) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:59 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath what was it he wanted from a "real city"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645255) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 11:02 PM Author: sick sex offender home Vegas is a the strip, and a never ending strip mall. The way it grew so damn fast means that it is basically a series of gigantic McMansion housing developments extending into the desert. Each has a golf course, a mall with a Cheesecake Factory, and a Best Buy. It is a strange place to live (according to him, I've never left the strip except for a trip to Binions). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645271) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 11:06 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath but on the strip there is world-class dining and entertainment. broadway shows come to vegas all the time, restaurants on par with nyc, dc, la (in fact, many of the same names). it is an ugly fucking desert though, compared to nice green places.
did he want small businesses ran by immigrants? corner delis? shit like that? (serious q)
edit: and with all the high-rises, it's starting to look like a real city. |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 11:12 PM Author: sick sex offender home I think to a degree yes.
Again, I'm speaking for him, but there's something unbelievably (and in my opinion gloriously) fake about Las Vegas. And while there is incredibly fine everything on the strip, it is a gigantic hassle as a resident. Crazy traffic (literally) 24 hours a day just makes it less likely to make it worth dealing with everything that comes with going inside a casino.
Basically a lot of the the reasons why Vegas is such a great place to visit (the excess, the vices, the freedom, etc.) make it a less than ideal place to live.
We had a long discussion about this (over drinks at Ghost Bar looking out on the city) and I was pretty surprised, but it makes some sense when you think about Vegas as compared to NY, LA, Chicago, really anywhere other than Phoenix or Orlando. |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:12 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry Yeah, but it's not like you can do those things regularly without going bankrupt.
One of the biggest problems is that the city is soul-less. There is no civic pride. Every man to himself in the world's largest strip mall/Applebee's. It can get to you when your neighbors have absolutely no interest in talking to you or people think that big living is going to the Rio buffet or Chili's. |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:13 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry This is very common. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645609) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 10:39 PM Author: excitant mewling public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645165) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:09 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry You'd definitely get an interview even with terrible grades but you'd really have to convince them that you aren't there to just party. They are very wary of those types.
Fwiw, No one pays $150. 1 place at $140 and a few in the $120-130 range. $100-$120 more realistic. |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:25 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645648) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:26 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry You'd be gold. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645654) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 12:35 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath sweet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645692) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 1:13 AM Author: sick sex offender home What'd I miss before the editing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645818) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 1:15 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645829) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 1:18 AM Author: sick sex offender home Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645834) |
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Date: April 17th, 2008 11:34 PM Author: alcoholic giraffe You guys missed out... the trick is to go to a place like UNLV for undergrad, go to a T6-T10 and then if you want to return you have connections and friends. I was able to land BIGLAW in a great city this way, though I ultimately rejected it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9645434) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 10:15 AM Author: Sticky alcoholic stain it's a part time job for students. They're not asking people to work there full time once they graduate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9646551) |
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Date: April 18th, 2008 10:41 AM Author: smoky cuckoldry People interested in salaries and such will like this blog:
http://wildwildlaw.blogspot.com/
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Date: April 18th, 2008 10:44 AM Author: excitant mewling public bath this is great. thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=800255&forum_id=2#9646664) |