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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:35 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den I'll go first. I know a girl that got fired for throwing away an original document that was a critical piece of evidence in a case. When she discovered her error, the firm told her if she could find it, she could keep her job. She went with a few sympathetic team members (I think another associate and a paralegal) to literally go dumpster diving. Sadly, they never recovered the document. She was shitcanned a few days later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073621) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:37 PM Author: Insane aqua indian lodge this doesn't sound like biglaw sir (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073631) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:37 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den Well, it was v50. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073633) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:44 PM Author: mint hairraiser kitchen degenerate FYI, Willkie Farr dropped out of the V50 this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073678) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:39 PM Author: Aromatic yellow foreskin marketing idea No way did that happen. I'd use my newly unemployed status to sue for hostile work environment or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073644) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:43 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den Well, it wasn't really hostile. They didn't order her, they simply said if she couldn't produce the doc, she was gone.
Ironically, this was very early in the case, and after she left, the case went on for like 8 more years. They were still arguing about trying to show witnesses copies of the document (the original was never recovered) in depositions almost a decade later. |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:41 PM Author: Submissive Doobsian Center 43rd floor dumpster? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073662) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:44 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den Haha, yes, I think that was it. Didn't they also go dig around somewhere outside of the building though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073680) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:00 AM Author: mahogany adventurous library We have secure garbage bins for documents. Those shits are literally locked. If you need to claw back a document you dumped in one by accident you are royally fucked. The entire floor will know. Like two people in the whole building have keys for that shit. It would be an epic disaster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074612) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:40 PM Author: onyx windowlicker Sounds like an original mortgage document or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078097) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:47 PM Author: Misanthropic Heaven I'm not sure why an original mortgage would be a super critical piece of evidence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078165) |
Date: December 6th, 2016 9:45 PM Author: stirring indecent international law enforcement agency national security agency what kind of biglaw case is an original document worth firing someone over (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073681) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:46 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den It was a 100+ million dollar litigation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073683) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:22 PM Author: stirring indecent international law enforcement agency national security agency and what original document would be necessary? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073990) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:23 PM Author: Exciting Pale Feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073994) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:26 PM Author: stirring indecent international law enforcement agency national security agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074024) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:36 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den This was key impeachment of one of the plaintiffs (proof of fraud). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074080) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:46 PM Author: Exciting Pale Feces Best evidence rule (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073684) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:51 PM Author: Coiffed diverse boistinker antidepressant drug I've never really heard of someone being fired for cause over one error. It's usually low hours, lazy, lacks attention to detail type shit that builds up out of months of fuck ups / lack of effort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073712) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 9:52 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den Yeah, I wasn't around then, so I have no idea to what extent this was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a doozy of a straw though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073722) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:29 PM Author: stirring indecent international law enforcement agency national security agency all these PLUS unlikeable.
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:44 PM Author: honey-headed vigorous menage I was fired from biglaw as a junior associate for one error -- but it was honestly because the team didn't like me much personally (long story; weird personalities, etc.); they presented the "error" as an excuse
funny part is, I'm at another biglaw firm now (been there for many years now) and I'm working with a relatively new midlevel lateral who fits the bill of "low hours, lazy, lacks attention to detail type shit that builds up out of months of fuck ups / lack of effort" -- I think of firing him every day |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:07 PM Author: Turquoise partner dilemma Stub year week 1. Was asked to do a project that night at 6 PM. Said naw, got plans. Ghosted. Rolled into office the next day at 10 AM. Fired that day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073873) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:07 PM Author: histrionic citrine organic girlfriend jewess jfc lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073877) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:25 PM Author: alcoholic galvanic set He's now MBB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074013) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:34 PM Author: Disturbing odious police squad Dont understand this. Why couldn't u just work on it the next day in the morning? It had to be done by midnight? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074072) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:38 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den lol bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074090) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:40 PM Author: Disturbing odious police squad Still don't get it. Ok rolling in next day at 10 somewhat shows lack of urgency but I don't see the issue here, especially a firing, unless the joke is flame that I'm not getting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074103) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:42 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den You've never done biglaw litigation or corporate work if you think the work can just wait til the next morning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074113) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:45 PM Author: Turquoise partner dilemma TBF 7 AM is often the same delivery time as midnight but this guy blew T all up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074124) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:45 PM Author: Disturbing odious police squad I've never done corporate work, but I know in litigation there are much bigger windows than a day between knowing that something is due and the actual due date. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074131) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:51 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den Depends but when I did litigation, I felt like I was doing research or writing motions that needed to be done THAT night all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074152) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:52 PM Author: histrionic citrine organic girlfriend jewess this is not true in corporate. you're always fighting fires. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074165) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 8:44 AM Author: cobalt liquid oxygen So what? Pretty much every busy lawyer on earth is scrambling the 48 hours before a big filing. Sometimes you don't know until you are getting that task No. AA-48 that you thought would be a 15 minute paralegal job really is a 4 hour task that you need someone with close attention to detail to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32076288) |
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Date: December 8th, 2016 4:06 AM Author: Disturbing odious police squad And u don't realize until 6pm the day of filing that you need this done? I mean it's possible but seems unlikely (infrequent) to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32084934) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:09 PM Author: histrionic citrine organic girlfriend jewess not really the same boat, but SA from our class got no offered when he flipped out about not getting a personal car arranged back from a firm event and having to share transport (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32073889) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:26 PM Author: Turquoise partner dilemma a poaster got no offered for: (1) ripping the hiring partner's law school to his face; (2) taking conference calls from across the office with his door open; (3) crashing a Segway into a partner'a Segway on a Segway tour. |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:27 PM Author: histrionic citrine organic girlfriend jewess all the same dude? lmao at the segway tour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074037) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:30 PM Author: Turquoise partner dilemma Same dude. Lowercase moniker. This is his story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074052) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:31 PM Author: histrionic citrine organic girlfriend jewess born to poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074058) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:31 PM Author: stirring indecent international law enforcement agency national security agency what's he doing now/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074059) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:39 PM Author: Turquoise partner dilemma His Story: he clawed his way back into biglaw after a horrific journey through magistrates, unpaid externships, staff attorneys, poisonous megafirm with YEARS of no bonus or raise, then being FIRED, then in the same week getting DUMPED. But brothers let me tell you, in this story of redemption and the love for the law, on the last DAY his website bio was up, he got an offer in the same city as his ex-gf. They are back together now. His story is told here. On autoadmit.com. Where we can all maek it. |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:52 AM Author: pearly razzmatazz site faggot firefighter Since when is clawing your way to working biglaw considered making it? Ljl @ this shit profession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074951) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:54 AM Author: Turquoise partner dilemma Look bro he set a goal and maed it. Could be different goals, different maek (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074959) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:32 PM Author: slate plaza incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074063) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:43 PM Author: onyx windowlicker Is this Fish? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078122) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:45 PM Author: honey-headed vigorous menage Was the segway tour crash intentional? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078150) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 10:39 PM Author: swashbuckling fear-inspiring depressive den lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074095) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 11:57 PM Author: vivacious fuchsia reading party 1st year was canned his first week after he brought a gun to the office.
He was a weirdo though and there was debate about whether to even offer him as a summer. |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:05 AM Author: Aromatic yellow foreskin marketing idea jfc
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Date: December 6th, 2016 11:57 PM Author: stimulating rigor school Not a story but I met aquagirl/clara at a grimy dive in hells kitchen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074589) |
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Date: December 6th, 2016 11:59 PM Author: stimulating rigor school SA at BB texas last summer got no offered because he decided he was only coming to the office 3 days a week, spoke on conference calls he was listening in on, and was pushing 300lbs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074599) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:10 AM Author: lilac lettuce Associate met with company x and agreed to represent them on deal y with company z under the table. Managing partner contacted company z about about retaining firm for deal y, and company z told them the associate at their office already represented x.
Associate was done for. |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:11 AM Author: Aromatic yellow foreskin marketing idea lol. was the associate gonna send them a bill on his own? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074685) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:52 PM Author: Purple Nibblets Ticket Booth Wtf? Is this Biglaw? If Assoc is doing shit like this, he prbly doesn't need Biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078202) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:46 AM Author: Pink genital piercing trailer park Not stories like the above, but the notable ones for me:
Summer had a messy divorce combined with sleeping with an associate. She got no-offered.
Lateral who failed the bar 3 times (1st time the firm paid him 2 months to study for it, next time they paid 1 month but let him take another month of unpaid leave, the third time they let him take 2 months of unpaid leave). CCN grad. Was out the day the results were released. He was lazy and had a pretty high opinion of his intellect, so I suspect that he just didn't study [enough].
Legit mental illness (this person's office stayed intact for about 18 months before the firm finally had office services box it up -- literally just sat there as-is down to dying and then dead plants). |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:56 AM Author: pearly razzmatazz site faggot firefighter What's he doing now? Even my laziest and dumbest friends passed ca/ny bar on the second try. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32074967) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 1:46 AM Author: Pink genital piercing trailer park In-house at a bank in a second/third-tier city (like Jacksonville). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32075291) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 2:58 AM Author: Submissive Doobsian Center Was # 3 just on leave the whole time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32075574) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 3:20 AM Author: Pink genital piercing trailer park Yeah, I don't know if they were paying her or not. I think they were scared because of the mental illness -- didn't want to fire her and risk a claim / ATL mess, so they hung on for a while with the appearance that she might come back by leaving her office intact, leaving her on the website, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32075635) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 8:41 AM Author: Wonderful elastic band spot Second one seems really odd. He'd already passed in a different state and they wanted him to pass in the jurisdiction where he'd lateraled? And then he failed three times with 2 months to study and they didn't fire him until the third? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32076270) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:39 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone legal warrant skinny woman Smells like URM to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078089) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:44 PM Author: onyx windowlicker Cocoa butter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078137) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:40 PM Author: Pink genital piercing trailer park Yeah, he lateraled from a smaller state where the firm didn't have an office to CA. The partner he worked for really went to bat for him not to be let go after fail #2, and was rewarded by a third failure (after having 6 out of 19 months or so off to study). He was an odd dude, but seems to have landed on his feet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078093) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:59 AM Author: French Learning Disabled Stead Double Fault Junior associate would spend evenings practicing a recorder - an honest to god recorder, not a flute - in his office. Apparently he thought the office was totally soundproof, but in reality anyone near his office could hear him playing "Hot Cross Buns" and other recorder standards for hours on end.
They explained to him that he had to go, but they gave him the honor of a musical escort out of the building. A few paralegals and staff attorneys accompanied him with makeshift drums (made out of everything from trash cans to reams of printer paper) as he played his recorder one last time in the hallways and lobbies. |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 1:01 AM Author: Turquoise partner dilemma What song did he play (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32075005) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:37 PM Author: Misanthropic Heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078075) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 12:45 PM Author: onyx windowlicker See, XO can still amaze you sometimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32078155) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:10 PM Author: contagious sooty hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#40580927) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 7:46 AM Author: Fragrant cuck Guy I summered with got no offered because he DEMANDED a partner take him to Dairy Queen. We went to a nice lunch just like normal. Went and got into the car afterward and he asked the partner if we could go to DQ. Partner was like "really? That seems unnecessary" and the guy was like "yea, I'm really craving DQ, I'm dead serious." Partner rolled his eyes and we drove to DQ.
The guy was weird and did entitled (but minor) shit like that all summer. |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 8:10 AM Author: Pearl bawdyhouse I wonder in how many stories like this, the firee was acting not out of obliviousness, but rather deliberately and knowingly in some terribly misguided "power move" that they thought would fast-track them to partnership. Like the employment version of PUA shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32076167) |
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Date: December 7th, 2016 8:21 AM Author: provocative twisted haunted graveyard Someone needs to write a book on how to do PUA shit at work correctly. The stakes are too high to just try shit out if you're not sure that it's going to work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3451434&forum_id=2#32076211) |
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