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Employers: entry-level workers "useless"

Employers: Entry-Level Applicants Are Just About Useless Wr...
Peach stimulating forum
  06/19/13
They need to tell themselves that they hire based on 'soft s...
obsidian bawdyhouse boistinker
  06/19/13
Hr also has to justify their choices as the product of a RIG...
Haunting famous landscape painting
  06/19/13
Also they throw in the networking bullshit which really serv...
Mustard diverse theater
  06/19/13
cr
disrespectful generalized bond kitchen
  06/20/13
I have barrels of those soft skills. It's the hard skills...
Sick Ivory Locale Becky
  06/19/13
and then they'll bitch about how they can't find any qualifi...
passionate macaca electric furnace
  06/20/13
boomer propaganda.
obsidian bawdyhouse boistinker
  06/19/13
Entry-level seems like an unnecessary modifier
Vermilion racy locus place of business
  06/19/13
'soft skills' being weighed more heavily than academic crede...
black swashbuckling gas station mental disorder
  06/19/13
seems like a lot of the time they just make this shit up.
obsidian bawdyhouse boistinker
  06/19/13
its funny, i have hard skills and few soft skills. didnt hav...
Up-to-no-good marvelous location
  06/20/13
Even Albert Einstein was "entry-level" at some poi...
ungodly mind-boggling area
  06/20/13
"Yet 40% of U.S. employers say most entry-level job can...
flickering fortuitous meteor
  06/20/13
STEM>>>>history/phil/law for critical thinking
ungodly mind-boggling area
  06/20/13
LOL
flickering fortuitous meteor
  06/20/13
(guy who became a lawyer because he "can't do math"...
Up-to-no-good marvelous location
  06/20/13
philosophy scores top 3-5 on gre, lsat etc. only behind math...
flickering fortuitous meteor
  06/20/13
but they know at least 5 equations that you don't and as lon...
lilac heady shitlib sweet tailpipe
  06/20/13
*memorizes solutions to old test* *spits it out mechanically...
flickering fortuitous meteor
  06/20/13
*Applies 5-6 equations to solve real world problem* *make...
harsh multi-colored mad-dog skullcap
  06/20/13
Other than maybe biology and other bullshitty soft sciences,...
adventurous crusty affirmative action giraffe
  06/20/13
"Then there's the issue of so-called "soft" j...
lime queen of the night
  06/20/13
since the only people getting jobs are "engineers"...
flickering fortuitous meteor
  06/20/13
it's enraging and paralyzing to be on the receiving end of a...
Frum voyeur
  06/20/13
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bossy indigo school cafeteria
  06/20/13
stop and read this quote again: "Being employable to...
Submissive private investor sanctuary
  06/20/13
This quote is so fucked up on so many levels. 1. What is...
Cracking hateful fat ankles
  06/20/13
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Submissive private investor sanctuary
  06/20/13
IQ and EQ are defined concepts...
Costumed hominid dilemma
  06/20/13
"A person's EQ is generally found by dividing the resul...
honey-headed library
  06/20/13
http://www.brianoc.com/ Author is a confirmed boomer, obviou...
Costumed hominid dilemma
  06/20/13
*demands college degree for jobs consisting of menial labor*...
trip alpha
  06/20/13


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Date: June 19th, 2013 7:00 PM
Author: Peach stimulating forum

Employers: Entry-Level Applicants Are Just About Useless

Written by: Brian O'Connell 06/18/13 - 9:00 AM EDT

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- At perhaps a bad time in U.S. employment, it seems there's a "perception gap" between what workers think they're worth on the job and how employers see them.

Analysis by Bryant & Stratton College with help from Wakefield Research from a survey among U.S. adults age 18 to 34 found that 80% of workers believe they are "job ready and possess all the skills, experience and education needed to advance in their desired career path or obtain their next job."

Yet 40% of U.S. employers say most entry-level job candidates lack even the basic skills needed to fill job openings.

Then there's the issue of so-called "soft" job skills such as critical thinking and sophisticated problem-solving. Only 16% of the 18- to 34-year-olds surveyed see such skills as necessary for career advancement.

But that's a huge swing-and-miss by employees, the college says. In fact, 93% of U.S. employers say soft skills are "weighed more heavily" when vetting job candidates -- much more so than a candidate's college academic credentials.

"Being employable today is all about knowing how to communicate to employers that you have intelligence quotient as well as educational quotient," says Scott Traylor, associate campus director for online education at the online college.

Bryant & Stratton offers a video called Job Ready Or Not? explaining what employers look for in job candidates these days. Find it at here.

"Job-seekers need to start marketing themselves based on the skills, competencies and traits employers need and value most," says Beth Tarquino, chief academic officer at Bryant & Stratton. "Too often the background experience and soft-skills attributes needed to successfully look for a job are underestimated, especially by college students and new graduates. Searching for a job can become a full-time job, but putting in the extra work to understand hiring trends and needs of employers is worth it."

http://business-news.thestreet.com/philly/story/employers-entry-level-applicants-are-just-about-useless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23432131)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 9:28 PM
Author: obsidian bawdyhouse boistinker

They need to tell themselves that they hire based on 'soft skills', because they cannot bring themselves to admit that they get 500 equally well qualified applicants for each position and hence are fucking 499 of those applicants.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23432965)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 9:34 PM
Author: Haunting famous landscape painting

Hr also has to justify their choices as the product of a RIGOROUS analysis of skills and suitability or they'd lose their own job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23433011)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 9:40 PM
Author: Mustard diverse theater

Also they throw in the networking bullshit which really serves to excuse their colossal laziness and nepotism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23433043)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 8:48 AM
Author: disrespectful generalized bond kitchen

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435452)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 9:54 PM
Author: Sick Ivory Locale Becky

I have barrels of those soft skills.

It's the hard skills I lack.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23433159)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 8:55 AM
Author: passionate macaca electric furnace

and then they'll bitch about how they can't find any qualified people with 5+ years exp and it will never dawn on them that the two are related.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435468)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 9:25 PM
Author: obsidian bawdyhouse boistinker

boomer propaganda.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23432955)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 9:55 PM
Author: Vermilion racy locus place of business

Entry-level seems like an unnecessary modifier

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23433168)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 10:18 PM
Author: black swashbuckling gas station mental disorder

'soft skills' being weighed more heavily than academic credentials is obviously ludicrous bullshit but i want to see the poll that got 84% of respondents to say that problem-solving isn't necessary for a career



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23433338)



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Date: June 19th, 2013 10:25 PM
Author: obsidian bawdyhouse boistinker

seems like a lot of the time they just make this shit up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23433410)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 8:56 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good marvelous location

its funny, i have hard skills and few soft skills. didnt have a problem getting an entry level gig

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435471)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 9:14 AM
Author: ungodly mind-boggling area

Even Albert Einstein was "entry-level" at some point. Can't expect people to be experts right out of the gate. This bashing of younger workers is just boomer bullshit to justify their own oversized compensation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435515)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 9:50 AM
Author: flickering fortuitous meteor

"Yet 40% of U.S. employers say most entry-level job candidates lack even the basic skills needed to fill job openings.

Then there's the issue of so-called "soft" job skills such as critical thinking and sophisticated problem-solving. Only 16% of the 18- to 34-year-olds surveyed see such skills as necessary for career advancement. "

First, they used to train noobs.

Second, they are bitching about an poor "critical thinking" when by not wanting to train anyone on the job they made history/phil/law degrees worthless.

Third, the reason your garden variety STEM dude doesn't have any "critical thinking skills" is because all they do is memorize solutions. So you got one group of people with no hard skills, and another group with no soft skills. Neither group being given the opportunity to train in what they lack. GJ America!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435586)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 10:22 AM
Author: ungodly mind-boggling area

STEM>>>>history/phil/law for critical thinking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435718)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 10:23 AM
Author: flickering fortuitous meteor

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435722)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 10:25 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good marvelous location

(guy who became a lawyer because he "can't do math")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435735)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: flickering fortuitous meteor

philosophy scores top 3-5 on gre, lsat etc. only behind math and physics which isn't the "garden variety stem" dude. You have failed at critical reasoning already. That's the appalling thing about STEM turds, you are below even business people in terms of reasoning - because at least they master lying. Interacting socratically with a stem dude is like playing checkers with someone who has downs syndrome. I have sat in organic chemistry and biochemistry with chem.E dudes. they are often the dimmest bulbs in the group. At least biology people have verbal fluidity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435741)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 10:30 AM
Author: lilac heady shitlib sweet tailpipe

but they know at least 5 equations that you don't and as long as you restrict conversation to their very narrow field they can bring these up and look smart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435756)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 10:31 AM
Author: flickering fortuitous meteor

*memorizes solutions to old test* *spits it out mechanically* *is smart*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435758)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 6:08 PM
Author: harsh multi-colored mad-dog skullcap

*Applies 5-6 equations to solve real world problem*

*makes $60k/year straight out of college with 2.2 gpa*

You: Poast on XO, ponder meaning of life professionally while making coffee just for a little while til someone can see your brilliance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438399)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 6:37 PM
Author: adventurous crusty affirmative action giraffe

Other than maybe biology and other bullshitty soft sciences, STEM is pure application. There is a reason engineers do well on the LSAT despite doing virtually no significant reading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438558)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 10:35 AM
Author: lime queen of the night

"Then there's the issue of so-called "soft" job skills such as critical thinking and sophisticated problem-solving. Only 16% of the 18- to 34-year-olds surveyed see such skills as necessary for career advancement."

In what entry level job praytell is critical thinking requried?????

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435771)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 10:38 AM
Author: flickering fortuitous meteor

since the only people getting jobs are "engineers" a critical thinking situation would happen in everyday interactions.

"Pandeesh! Please install windows on Mr. Johnsons computer!"

*Pandeesh installs windows 7*

"Pandeesh! We are installing windows 8 now!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435787)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 10:36 AM
Author: Frum voyeur

it's enraging and paralyzing to be on the receiving end of a media distortion campaign like this.

every day brings fresh lies like this, from the boomer media. every day the truth is more hopelessly obscured, by thickets of phony Facts & Figures, and the latest manufactured Conventional Wisdom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23435775)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 5:50 PM
Author: bossy indigo school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438299)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 5:54 PM
Author: Submissive private investor sanctuary

stop and read this quote again:

"Being employable today is all about knowing how to communicate to employers that you have intelligence quotient as well as educational quotient," says Scott Traylor, associate campus director for online education at the online college [that conducted the survey].

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438320)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 6:18 PM
Author: Cracking hateful fat ankles

This quote is so fucked up on so many levels.

1. What is the intelligence quotient?

2. What is the educational quotient?

3. You mean the two are different?

4. Why is this coming from an online college?

5. How the fuck did this guy get employed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438434)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 6:33 PM
Author: Submissive private investor sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438528)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 6:41 PM
Author: Costumed hominid dilemma

IQ and EQ are defined concepts...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438594)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 6:47 PM
Author: honey-headed library

"A person's EQ is generally found by dividing the results of their Wide Range Achievement Test by their IQ and multiplying by 100,[2][3] or by dividing their Education Age by their Chronological Age and multiplying by 100.[4][5]"

LolWHAT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438647)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 6:36 PM
Author: Costumed hominid dilemma

http://www.brianoc.com/ Author is a confirmed boomer, obviously. "Free lance writer" Pretty much as useless as you can get btw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438554)



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Date: June 20th, 2013 6:48 PM
Author: trip alpha

*demands college degree for jobs consisting of menial labor*

*claims that most applicants are unqualified to justify requirement of college degree for jobs consisting of menial labor*

*uses the fact that job consists of menial labor to pay college graduates 27k a year*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286770&forum_id=2#23438654)