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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:09 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Two years NYC biglaw. About 2.5 years as an Army Judge Advocate. Ask away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703327) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:12 PM Author: up-to-no-good market How legitimate of a concern is it to see combat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703353) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:18 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Many JA's have been awarded the Combat Action Badge. That could mean anything from direct contact with the enemy to a mortar hitting your FOB while you're lying safely in bed and some commander decides everyone on the FOB deserves a CAB. In other words, it's hard to say how many CAB's are legit and how many aren't. To give some idea of the risk of death, no Army JA's have been killed in combat since 9/11. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703418) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:20 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Do they participate in combat? If, for example, you are in Iraq, are you expected to go on patrol? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703453) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:32 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker There may be times you have to go outside the wire. For example, you may need to investigate a claim for damaged property. You may also be on a convoy just to get from point A to point B. Any time you're outside the wire you could be attacked. But you would not be sent out on a patrol with the intent of making contact with hostile forces. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703654) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:40 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Oh, OK. I guess I was confused about the general role you guys play--I always figured you guys stayed behind and did stuff in an office environment. I didn't realize that they threw you into combat situations too often. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703808) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 1:45 PM Author: Passionate Zombie-like Parlour You, sir, are a moron. The Regimental SGM and the Regimental WO were shot down in Tikrit in 04. Shortly thereafter, MAJ Martinez was killed on a convoy. The SJA for 4ID had a bullet glance off her helmet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14708712) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 1:56 PM Author: Electric Translucent Public Bath Mental Disorder Correct. And this was easily ascertainable:
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/stswartworth.htm |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 2:01 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker MAJ Martinez was not killed in combat. He was killed in a helicopter crash that just happened to occur in Iraq. The other casualties you listed were not JA's. A JA is a commissioned officer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14708843) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 3:22 PM Author: Passionate Zombie-like Parlour I realize a 27D and a 270A aren't 27As, and perhaps I should have made that clear in my post, but don't mislead civilians into thinking that no JAG Corps personnel have been KIA. There have been a few other 27Ds who were KIA in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Blackhawk crashed, but I don't think they ever figured out whether it was brought down by enemy fire, as opposed to Gilmore and Swartworth. The bird next to them had Romig in it, and was almost shot down. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 3:34 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker It certainly wasn't my intent to mislead anyone. With that said, the day to day duties of a 27D are quite different than those of a 27A while deployed. The 27D is exposed to danger more often than a 27A. If someone is considering a career as a 27A and is concerned about the risks, they would do best to look at the experiences of other 27A's, not 27D's.
And I never claimed that no "JAG Corps personnel" have been killed in action. What I said, in response to a question about the chances of "seeing combat," was that no JA's have been killed in combat. I stand by that. |
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Date: July 12th, 2010 4:07 PM Author: thriller piazza He didn't say you claimed that no JAG Corps personnel have been KIA. He said your posts might mislead civvies into thinking that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15485184) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:44 PM Author: peach heady psychic deer antler What do you think of Air Force JAGs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713418) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:46 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker In my experience they lack military bearing and are basically civilians in uniforms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713448) |
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Date: July 31st, 2010 4:30 PM Author: territorial hell I'm an Air Force JAG and former fighter pilot. I have been in combat as both a pilot (Iraq) and as a JAG (Afghanistan). I will refrain from launching a personal attack on ArmyJAG, and I will likewise not disparage his choice of branch of service. But suffice it to say that he is wrong about a lot of things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15663477) |
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Date: August 1st, 2010 9:28 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Yeah, there are pilot JAGs in the Navy and AF (and even in the Army) and there are Ranger tabbed guys in the Army. Maybe there is even a Navy SEAL or SF qualified JAG. But as well all know they are the very small minority.
You need look no further than this board, where every poster who wants JAG experience while minimizing the military experience puts Air Force as their top choice. If you think that's just some xoxo meme that's not reflected in reality, then keep dreaming.
I have always qualified my comments about other services with the fact that my experience is limited. But AF JAGs are not poorly represented at the JAG school and aside from the rare Coast Guard guy, the AF JAG's are by far in the worst shape, they are rude and obnoxious, walking and talking on their cell phones during breaks (which, for the non-military folks, is unacceptable), and they have a bad habit of strolling in late to classes. As I've mentioned previously, for all I know they are the greatest attorneys.
So I'm glad you have pride in your service. But I stand by my comments. |
Date: April 13th, 2010 11:20 PM Author: Ruby principal's office old irish cottage How hard is it to get in with shit grades from a T10? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703456) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:26 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker The hiring process seems extremely arbitrary to me. Some people in my JAOBC class seemed bright and squared away, but had to apply for years before getting picked up. Then there were idiotic socially inept shitbags from T4 schools who didn't seem interested in military service who got taken on their first try. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703564) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:28 PM Author: up-to-no-good market T4 as in HYS(C) or T4 as in Tier 4? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703583) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:29 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker The latter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703608) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:29 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Check my q above with combat, please! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703618) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:22 PM Author: Ruby principal's office old irish cottage Are you planning to be a lifer? If not, what exit options are possible? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703489) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:28 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker My plan was and continues to be to stay in until I no longer enjoy what I'm doing. If I left I would look for AUSA or good state DA jobs. I definitely would not go back to biglaw even if it were possible, which it probably isn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703602) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:15 PM Author: appetizing pocket flask why isn't it possible? why wouldn't you do it if you could?
what were the credentials of JAGs who moved on to AUSA? |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:18 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I just don't think JAG -> biglaw is a common career path, and when it does happen it's probably people who specialized in federal contracting, which I have no interest in.
I have never conducted nor seen a survey of the credentials of JA's who become AUSA's. |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:29 PM Author: razzmatazz soggy depressive As a 2L in April, what can I be doing? Should I call the Air Force guy tomorrow? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703617) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:33 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I applied as a practicing attorney so I don't really know what you should be doing. Contacting a recruiter would be a good place to start. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703671) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:37 PM Author: razzmatazz soggy depressive Sweet. Do you know how difficult/awesome it is among the different branches of the military? Army, Navy, Air Force? I have a cousin who was (is?) enlisted, should I have her contact anyone? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703747) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:44 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I doubt your enlisted cousin could help, but you can mention that during your interview to show you have some knowledge of what military life entails. Army, Navy and AF all offer different pros and cons. I will say that among elite law students, Army seems to be the least "awesome." And given that the Army is growing whereas the Navy and AF are contracting, the Army is probably the easiest to get into. This is just my guess though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703897) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:47 PM Author: razzmatazz soggy depressive Sounds good. I don't care that much about it being awesome, I just want a jerb. I'd seriously be happy enough being in the service though--how often will I have to move around/be out of country etc?
Thoughts about eventual exit options? |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:53 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker 2-3, sometimes 4 years per location is typical. Exit options are good, as evidenced by the shortage of mid-level JA's due to departures. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704085) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: razzmatazz soggy depressive are the locations typically out of country, or can I expect to remain stateside most of the time? If out of country, somewhere cool like Korea or Okinawa, or a shithole like Afghanistan?
Plausible to get married in this time? I'm rather seriously seeing someone.
And tyvm for this thread. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:02 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You need to distinguish between your assigned duty station and a deployment. You will be assigned somewhere in the U.S., Germany, Korea, or a few other possible though less likely locations. This is where you live. You can bring your wife, kids, dog, etc. The Army will move your furniture and car to this location.
From your duty station, you may be deployed. If/when you get deployed, it will almost certainly be to either Afghanistan or Iraq. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:06 AM Author: razzmatazz soggy depressive Gotcha. Approximately how long would deployment be as a JAG dude? Approximately how likely?
Anyway this sounds pretty credited--I'd love to live abroad and not have to worry about getting fired, hang out with enlisted dudes, etc.
Do they pay off my student loans or anything? |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:13 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker They will repay up to 65k in student loans during your first 4 year commitment. This is an Army only policy. I believe there is a general fed program that repays all loans after 10 years of federal employment.
Deployments are around 12 months. Can't say how likely. If you don't want to get deployed, request a training post. Units at TRADOC posts don't deploy. But dodging deployments is bad for your career. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 1:02 AM Author: razzmatazz soggy depressive Not bad man thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14705243) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 3:38 PM Author: Razzle masturbator roommate "If you don't want to get deployed, request a training post. "
Excuse the ignorance here, but what's a training post? And what makes one eligible to request it? |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 3:45 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Some installations are training ("TRADOC") posts. It's where the Army conducts training. The most obvious example would be West Point. As far as I know, there aren't any operational units at West Point, so if you're assigned there there would be no one for you to deploy with.
When you join you can request to go wherever you want. Many TRADOC posts are in crappy locations, so if you want TRADOC you will get TRADOC. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:02 PM Author: Razzle masturbator roommate TY and this goes for non-JAG positions too? [] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712175) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:09 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I don't see why a linguist would be needed at a TRADOC post. JA's are there to support the mission of the installation, by providing legal counsel to the commander. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712235) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:09 PM Author: Razzle masturbator roommate Got it. How about a paralegal with language skills? Language is what she was recruited for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712245) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:16 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Paralegals are assigned to TRADOC posts to support the judge advocates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712311) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:29 PM Author: Razzle masturbator roommate Ok. Tyvm for the info. [] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712466) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:33 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker When she enlists her MOS will be specified in her contract. Make sure she gets what she wants before she signs anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712517) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:39 PM Author: Razzle masturbator roommate [] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712603) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:08 AM Author: up-to-no-good market Which is considered the 'better' option: Iraq or Afghanistan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704371) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:14 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker It depends on what you want. In Iraq you will spent almost all your time in the green zone. In Afghanistan you may get a little more adventure. I would choose the latter if given the choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704481) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:18 AM Author: up-to-no-good market What sort of adventure? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704541) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:19 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Spend more time on smaller bases, have more opportunity to go outside the wire and interact with the locals, stuff like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704568) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:30 PM Author: concupiscible son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703629) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:34 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker See my post above. All I know is my class had people from HYS to bottom of the barrel T4 schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703703) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:35 PM Author: concupiscible son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703718) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:37 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I can't say for certain, but the Army places a premium on diversity and given the low number of females, I can't imagine it would hurt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703737) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:39 PM Author: concupiscible son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703789) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:46 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker No and I don't believe either has a significant JA presence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703949) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:39 PM Author: nofapping school telephone I just got in this past board. When do you find out about your base choices? Also they want a letter of intent from me in a month or so. This letter of intent doesn't incur service obligation right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703793) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:48 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You'll be asked to list your Top X choices and then they'll offer you one. At that point you can either take it or leave it. You don't incur an obligation until after you take your oath, which, if I remember, happens once you start training. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703991) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:50 PM Author: nofapping school telephone Thanks. The letter was pretty vague about it but I figured that was the case.
What kind of work have you been doing over the last couple of years? |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:54 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Legal assistance, admin law and now military justice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704108) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: nofapping school telephone Do you spend time just doing legal assistance, or do they spread the work load around the office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704129) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:03 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I don't do legal assistance anymore. Most new JA's start off doing legal assistance for 6 months to a year and then go on to do other things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704283) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:41 PM Author: Ruby principal's office old irish cottage Is it fair to say that you will be in excellent physical shape the entire time you are a JAG officer? Do you have time to exercise? Do you have a lot of free time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703824) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:51 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker No it's not fair to say that. Many JA's are a disgrace to the Army. Depending on where you go, you may or may not have organized PT. You will have time to exercise on your own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704052) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:41 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Where do people typically get shipped? All over? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703830) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker What do you mean by shipped? All major Army posts have JA's so you could end up at any. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704117) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:56 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Uh, maybe I am not using the technical Army jargon, sorry, but I meant where you are placed after you join. Is there a way to have a preference? Is it easy to get to where you want to go? Do they ship the new guys to Iraq/Afghanistan, letting the more senior staff head to Germany/Japan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704144) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:10 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Before you make a commitment you will list your preferences and the Army will offer you a location. You can take it or leave it. Most people get one of their top two or three choices. In my experience, the JAG Corps is extremely good at accommodating people's preferences.
It is possible to get deployed. Let's say you request Ft. Carson, Co., which is a very desirable post in Colorado Springs. If the 4th ID is deploying to Iraq a month after you get there, then you may start your career in Iraq. This happens. But it's not as if all the junior guys are in Iraq and the senior guys are in Italy. Every office needs senior and junior people. |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:42 PM Author: Adulterous Garrison Foreskin I hear Jag -> FBI Special Agent is a good strat, any comments? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703846) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I don't know anyone who's done this, but it seems like a viable plan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704131) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:56 PM Author: Adulterous Garrison Foreskin I spoke with a recruiter on campus once about it, and he told me that it may be a good stepping stone. I'm pretty sure it helps with the clearances at least. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704147) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2010 7:26 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma why do that when JAG -> AUSA is possible? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15407942) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:44 PM Author: Exhilarant church idiot seems odd to do this after two years of biglaw. why jag instead of normal biglaw exit opps? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703890) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:48 PM Author: up-to-no-good market He probably wanted a big change, something much less corporate-focused. I can see the appeal and 'adventure' in it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703989) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:28 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I hated biglaw and didn't think midlaw would be much better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704702) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:47 PM Author: overrated doctorate Why does the Army have the asinine policy of having no application dates between March and November? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14703955) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:56 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I would guess that the lazy JA's who have been put out to pasture in the JARO office don't want to work harder than necessary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704150) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:49 PM Author: beady-eyed lake shitlib USMC JAG secure here
You ever get flack from people at law school for going JAG? |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:58 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I went to an extremely liberal school where all talk of "JAG" was strictly forbidden. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704185) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:02 AM Author: beady-eyed lake shitlib Did people do that thing where they all sign up to interview and waste the military's time? Or say "I'm gay" at the end of interviews?
Shit like that makes me want to sign up for interviews with Lambda Legal or something and mention that I think AIDS is god's punishment to homosexuals. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:16 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I don't think they came to interview. Like I said, I applied to the JAGC as a practicing attorney. It wasn't even on my radar during law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704496) |
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Date: April 19th, 2010 12:36 AM Author: Pearl bipolar set NYU law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14753140) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:21 AM Author: Ruby principal's office old irish cottage lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704611) |
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Date: April 13th, 2010 11:53 PM Author: Pea-brained vibrant property just found out my little bro dropped rotc. disown him from family for not being patriotic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704083) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:33 AM Author: milky painfully honest national regret have cousin who is col. in marines. if PT is mid-200s and i reach out can he hook me up? Is it true that marine jag has to go through OCS and then apply to jag, but may not get it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704747) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:55 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I am not an authority on the Marines but the Marines do not have a JAG Corps, as I understand it. Marine JA's are line officers who go to OCS and The Basic School. I am pretty sure you join as a JA but you theoretically could end up being rebranched. I don't think that's common but it's possible.
I don't think mid-200's is considered competitive for Marine officers, but maybe the standards are lower for JA's. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:33 PM Author: beady-eyed lake shitlib Correct.
People go to OCS as law contracts, but can theoretically be put into other positions later in their Marine Corps careers. This is rare.
Standards are not lower for JA's, especially given that the Marine Corps JA recruiting mission is being cut. Mid-250's is a low PFT score, 280+ is the de facto standard.
It is doubtful that a cousin can hook someone up. It might help to get a slot at OCS but once there, welcome to the shitshow with everyone else. |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 2:54 PM Author: overrated doctorate When you say 280+ is the de facto standard, do you mean that should be your PFT on your OCS app or that should be your PFT when graduating OCS? Seems odd to think someone should be running an almost-perfect PFT before even going to OCS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14767579) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 3:40 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I don't want to speak for him, but I'm near certain that he meant that 280+ should be your score on your app. Assuming you are not obese, it's not hard to max the PFT with just a few months of thoughtful and consistent preparation. As an officer, it's your responsibility to get yourself in shape, not the military's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14768106) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:36 AM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall any way to get through the process w/o my firm finding out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14704787) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:56 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Of course. The only thing you have to do is attend a 30 min interview. My firm didn't know I had applied or been accepted until I told them I was leaving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14705137) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:05 AM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall How often can you apply? What factors help ones app the most? Do they ask for references? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14706864) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:10 AM Author: Racy brindle shrine https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/8525769A00495E0D/0/7DBDA74F715698CC8525766B00735955?opendocument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14706874) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 10:14 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You can apply twice per year for as many years as you want. I don't know what factors help most but there's probably not much you can do at this point to improve your application anyway so don't worry about it. They don't ask for references but you can submit LOR's, so if someone important in the military or some politician knows you well, you should submit one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14707123) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:28 AM Author: Racy brindle shrine How difficult to get an Airborne/Air Assault slot if you come in with a 300 APFT? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14706819) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 10:11 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker They have a certain number of slots for each class. The exact selection criteria has probably changed since I went through, but a 300 PT score will make you a strong contender. If you do everything else right, and make nice with the cadre, you should be good to go.
You also can get your unit to send you to those schools later. Depending on your unit, that could range from difficult to a sure thing. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 11:03 AM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall Why would one want this if in JAG? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14707344) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 11:12 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I can't speak for anyone else, but I joined not only for the legal experience and benefits but also because I like being in the Army. Getting a paid vacation to spend two or three weeks playing real Soldier while jumping out of planes and helicopters is a plus for me.
Secondly, you get these neat little pins to wear on your uniform and that helps to overcome the "JAG's are pussies/not real Soldiers" stigma when you work with other Soldiers.
Lastly, it's good for your career once you become more senior. The commander of a high speed unit will prefer an SJA who is at least a little high speed. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 11:23 AM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall Starting salary? Current sAlary? Most noteworthy perks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14707473) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 11:44 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You will start off as an 0-2 and you'll be promoted to 0-3 within a few weeks of completing training. You can google military pay scale. That's your base pay and is taxable. Then you'll receive a housing allowance. Google BAH calculator and you can look up the housing allowance based on location. Your BAH is tax free. You also get 65k toward your student loans.
You also get free dental and medical. You qualify for a pension after 20 years, which can be made up of reserve/national guard service after leaving active duty.
Most things can be bought for less money on post. You can shop tax free at the PX/commissary which is like a big walmart/supermarket, where items range in price from comparable to walmart to cheaper. Gas and movies are marginally cheaper on post than off post. Automobile repair is much cheaper on post. Etc.
The DOD also operates a few resort properties (e.g. Hawaii, Orlando, German Alps), where rooms are significantly cheaper than what you'd pay commercially.
Military discounts on many commercial products and services (e.g. cell phone service, restaurants) that range from trivial to fairly substantial.
GI Bill which you can transfer to your spouse or children to pay for college. Special lending programs for your mortgage, small business loans.
Basically, there is a lot of stuff out there. If you take advantage of it all it can result in serious savings.
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Date: April 14th, 2010 12:03 PM Author: glassy disturbing heaven This is a helpful blog from guys who are going through the ArmyJAG training process.
http://www.armystrongstories.com/category/judge-advocate-general/
hth. ywia. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:00 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Bump.
Available for a bit if there are more questions. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:01 PM Author: house-broken athletic conference does being in the army get your more pussy back home? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712168) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:12 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker There are definitely girls who like military guys. However, JA's normally aren't at the top of their lists. Also, being in the military is probably a disadvantage or neutral near large installations since there are so many males in the military in those areas. It seems to be most beneficial in cities/towns where there isn't a military presence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712270) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:11 PM Author: Crimson vengeful keepsake machete What do you think about them getting rid of BOLC II for a longer DCC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712264) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:20 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker BOLC II was universally hated and the new JA's have told me that there was a lot of overlap between the two, making BOLC II even more miserable. The new system seems to make sense. The only downside is the lack of a common experience for all officers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712357) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:14 PM Author: appetizing pocket flask Subject: financial question how much educational debt did you graduate with? what was your net worth at the end of your two years in big law? what's your net worth now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712291) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:23 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I graduated with a little over 100k in debt and now have none. Not comfortable answering the second and third questions other than to say that it's possible to save money on a JA salary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712381) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:15 PM Author: up-to-no-good market I have a question: why do some military dudes walk around in their uniforms (when they are off-duty, such as in a big city, when they are not heading to some military sort of thing)? Is it to attract attention? What do other military dudes think of this?
Ever done it?
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:27 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker If you're referring to fleet week, I think they do it to get girls and free drinks.
If you're near a military post, you'll see people running errands before or after work.
I try to avoid doing this at all costs. In fact, I don't think I've ever gone anywhere in uniform since training in Charlottesville where we had to go out for lunch. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:29 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Was not fleet week and is not near a major military post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712468) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:36 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Maybe the guy just got home from basic training and was proud of his achievement. I don't have a problem with that, although technically he shouldn't do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712562) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:51 PM Author: Bat shit crazy tripping community account university to get girls, duh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713501) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:22 PM Author: appetizing pocket flask what kind of work do you do if you're deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan?
what if you're at an office in Germany or Korea (do you need language skills to work there in years 2-4)?
do people get laid off after working as JAGs for a few years? how important is politicking to your success? (you said requesting a "TRADOC" post and otherwise avoiding deployment is bad for your career - what else is?) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:32 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Everything you do at home is also needed while deployed. The major addition is operational law/law of war (who/what can we shoot/blow up) and fiscal law (how much can we spend and on what) becomes more important.
Same for Germany and Korea, minus the op law. No language skills are needed.
People don't get laid off. "Office politics" is important as your career advances, but probably no more so than anywhere else. Stuff like failing a APFT is bad for your career.
I did not say that requesting TRADOC will hurt your career. I said that requesting TRADOC to avoid deployment will. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:36 PM Author: appetizing pocket flask What are the main things you do at home? All I saw above on this was something about "providing legal counsel" when you're posted to a training facility. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712561) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:44 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You will most probably start off in legal assistance where you will solve Soldiers stupid problems all day. You'll also draft some wills and might get stuck helping them with taxes. This is a grind but it's rewarding at the end of the day. This usually lasts around six months, rarely ever more than twelve.
Next you will usually do administrative law, which most involves separation hearings for various stuff, or military justice which is being a prosecutor.
Normally the JAGC will give you experience in those three areas of competency during your first four year tour. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:47 PM Author: appetizing pocket flask ty for this thread.
JAG sounds interesting except for the deployment risk and being affiliated with the military.
JAG to ALJ would be kind of cool. Any idea if that's common or possible? |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:50 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You need to take the ALJ exam, score high enough, and then be selected by interview. You need seven years litigation experience as well. The test isn't given very often, but the timing could work out for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712726) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:51 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma loads of ALJs are former JAGs because of the vet preference. Like you mentioned, you need more than just the 4 year stint though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15972956) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:37 PM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall where can i find a list of tradoc locations? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712569) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:45 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Try google. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712661) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:33 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Is it tough to be a liberal in the army? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712509) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:35 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I know of some liberals in the JAG Corps but no one really cares. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712539) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:36 PM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall what kind of commitment w jag?
possible to defer start date after receiving offer? |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:39 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Four years active duty and four more which you can do in the guard, reserve, or IRR, which means you do nothing but technically could be reactivated.
You can probably defer within reason. Most people want to start training sooner than they're able to. Many people graduate and then sit around for a year doing nothing waiting for JAOBC to begin. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:38 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Why are you so serious? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712584) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:43 PM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall if i dont need the 65k, can my wife use it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712636) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:46 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You can consolidate with your wife and use the 65k toward the combined total. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712669) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:46 PM Author: Coiffed spot jewess I know I can look these up, but could you quickly answer the following:
-Would bad vision disqualify me, as it would for other military positions?
-What is the age cut-off or preference, if any?
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:53 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker These were not issues for me, so double check whatever I say. Bad vision needs to be correctable to some less bad level. Color blindness is disqualifying. I think the max age by statute is 42, but the Army lowers that number regularly based on how badly it needs recruits.
Lastly, you can get a waiver for almost anything. |
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Date: April 15th, 2010 1:42 PM Author: Cordovan mexican ticket booth Does flat feet still disqualify? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14719555) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:45 PM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall how soon to hit 100k base pay?
what are hrs like?
how much vaca time? |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:48 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You won't make 100k base pay for a very long time. You can google the military pay scale for further info.
Hours are good. 30 days of leave per year. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:52 PM Author: Crimson vengeful keepsake machete What's a typical day like? Basically, when do you start, how long for long, how long for PT, when do you go home.
Also, thanks dood for answering all these questions. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:58 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker It depends on where you work. At some places you'll have organized PT every day, at others three times per week and at others none. You'll start off in legal assistance where you'll be meeting with Soldiers all day. So your schedule will more or less match theirs. 8-4 or 5. PT at 6:30, if you do it. It depends. Once you are doing military justice, your schedule becomes less predictable. If a serious crime is committed in the middle of the night, you might be called in. But overall the hours are still good and consistent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712827) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:53 PM Author: nofapping school telephone Have you used your leave often or are you saving it up for an epic trip before you leave the military? 30 days is a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712754) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 8:59 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I try to use it all. I like to travel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712841) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:03 PM Author: nofapping school telephone Nice. I'm not sure what I'm more excited for. The 30 days leave or the 65K loan repayment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712894) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:06 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker If I were you, I would be most excited about your three months in Charlottesville for training. It's like being in college again except they tell you the test questions and answers in advance. So it's like all the fun parts of college without having to worry about the academics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712934) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:07 PM Author: Crimson vengeful keepsake machete Did you get an Airborne or Air Assault slot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712950) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:11 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Not during the JAOBC but I've gone subsequently to airborne. I didn't take my physical preparation seriously enough before showing up at Ft. Lee. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713010) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:08 PM Author: nofapping school telephone Plus I've always wanted to be paid to go to school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712958) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:08 PM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall any issues with using all 30 days?
30 days = 6 weeks + nat. holidays, right? |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:14 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker To be clear, it's not so straightforward. For example, if you take off from Monday through Sunday, technically that's 7 days (you include the Sat and Sun). Without getting into it, there are often ways to get around this policy. There are no issues with using all your leave. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713053) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:40 PM Author: beady-eyed lake shitlib This calculator is useful for people inquiring about salary.
http://militarypay.defense.gov/mpcalcs/Calculators/RMC.aspx
Takes into account tax advantage, location, rank, all of that.
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One questions: I have friends considering Army JAG. Does the Army award "Years in Service" for time in law school?
In the Marines, we start counting from our report date to OCS, which is often 2-3 years before law school graduation, leading to a nice salary bump. |
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Date: April 15th, 2010 1:17 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You do not get years in service for pay or retirement, only for retirement.
This is because we don't have the same training pipelines. Army JAGC training is completed in one shot post-law school. If you do ROTC or join one of the reserve components during your schooling, you can come in with several years in service. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:09 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Again, why are you so serious? Was meant to be a real question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712977) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:10 PM Author: nofapping school telephone The dude is giving a lot of good answers. Leave him alone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14712986) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:12 PM Author: up-to-no-good market I know he is, but I wanted to get a sense whether all JAGs are of such a serious nature. That was all. Wasn't meant to be offensive in the least bit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713033) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:13 PM Author: nofapping school telephone I guess that's a valid question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713043) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:16 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker If I sound serious it's because I'm here in my capacity as an Army officer representing the JAG Corps, if only anonymously. Most JA's are pretty cool. I would say that the people you'd want to hang out with to douche bag ratio is pretty much the inverse of what it was at my law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713086) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:21 PM Author: up-to-no-good market Got it. It was just striking compared to other people who come on here and take questions, such as COA clerks, biglaw associates, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713138) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:16 PM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall describe some of the places youve traveled? is it possible to support a family of 4 on a jag salary? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713078) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:19 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I'm still at my first duty station, which is typical for someone with my (lack of) seniority.
It is totally possible. When I left biglaw and NYC, I took a big pay cut but my COL went down to the point where I feel relatively wealthier. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:26 PM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall any good websites to learn more? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713205) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 11:22 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker www.jagcnet.army.mil
Click on the "Join JAG" link on the right. There is some info there. |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:28 PM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall do you normally work only m-f? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713226) |
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Date: April 14th, 2010 9:47 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I've never worked on a weekend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14713457) |
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Date: April 15th, 2010 1:41 PM Author: Rough-skinned immigrant Subject: reserves Do you know anything about the Army jag reserve. 1st year big law was recently accepted to jag reserve, but having a hard time getting information about it. Do you know the start dates for training. I think they have 1 in July and one in either October or November. Also, have you ever worked with reservists? Do they do similar jobs as the active jags? |
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Date: April 15th, 2010 2:36 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker The training is exactly the same except that you will have the option to split up the Charlottesville phase and DCC if you want, rather than going straight through. The classes start in Feb, July and Oct.
Technically reservists do the same stuff, but the fact that it's a part time job limits in practice what a reservist usually does. I am by no means an authority, but from talking to reservists, you'll spend your drill weekend doing stuff like SRP's, i.e. helping deploying Soldiers get ready by drafting their wills, powers of attorney, etc. You may also review separation packets or lost property reports if an active duty unit is backed up. If you deploy, your job will be exactly the same as an active duty JA. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2010 8:10 PM Author: Rebellious frisky locale idea he suggested What are the chances of being deployed as an Army JAG Reserve? Are they greater or less than being deployed as a regular JAG officer? Is there a standard length of tour of duty if one gets deployed as a reserve?
I ask because I'm a government attorney and considering doing JAG Reserve for the experience plus $20k bonus. |
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Date: April 16th, 2010 1:26 AM Author: 180 parlor jap I was recently selected for Army JAG and I had a question. How soon after graduation can one attend JAOBC? With my state I should have bar results by the end of August, swearing in/license receipt in September. Would it be possible to make the October JAOBC or am I going to get stuck waiting for the February JAOBC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14726835) |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 3:38 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker It would take some luck to get into the October class and there is some chance you'd end up waiting for the July class.
The wait might be even worse now that the legal hiring market is so weak, and fewer people are probably turning down offers. The size of the class is also capped due to classroom capacity issues in Charlottesville so they can't just make bigger classes. |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 10:38 PM Author: 180 parlor jap That would be ridiculous if they made me wait until July to go. What the hell am I supposed to do for a year? I have loans and bills to pay. At least if a law firm wants you to wait that long to start they pay you. If they tell me July I may well have to just take another job and turn JAG down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14751565) |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 11:12 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I agree that it's ridiculous. And you should make that clear when you talk to JARO. I don't have anything to do with JARO, so don't get mad at me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14751976) |
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Date: October 30th, 2011 9:09 PM Author: Gay Kitty Haunted Graveyard DL:
Do you know when you're going yet? I am still waiting to hear, but looking like I won't get a start date until July. JARO is totally unresponsive to all inquiries. |
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Date: April 17th, 2010 11:14 AM Author: abusive lavender base What are the odds of a former 1L Army JAG intern getting picked up on the AD Board during 3L year? Is it still tough? Should be easier for an intern, right? As long as the intern didn't screw up.
I know you probably don't know the exact answer, but how many new JAGs have you encountered who are former interns, specifically 1L ones?
I would imagine the 1L intern feels pretty confident that the Army wanted him/her since the intern was one of 25 1Ls chosen. But now with things getting even tighter, what do you think?
I realize this is a very obvious answer but any sort of confidence boost would be great ITE. |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 3:43 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I can't answer with confidence. But I will tell you this: There were two people in my JAOBC class who were complete shitbags. They were both prior interns (don't know if it was 1L or 2L) and we all assumed they must have made a decent impression then because there is no other way they could have been selected. So based on my limited anecdotal experience, I would think that if you interned and made a decent impression you should be good to go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14746990) |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 3:47 PM Author: white rigor pretty bad career choice for someone who hates travel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14747022) |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 10:03 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker That depends what you mean by travel. You'll relocate every 2-4 years and you'll deploy every few years, but there isn't a tremendous amount of travel from wherever you assigned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14751089) |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 10:05 PM Author: pale multi-colored corner what do you know about Air Force JAG? Would someone coming off a federal clerkship be competitive? Does the fact that they hold boards every other month make it more likely to eventually gain admission? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14751118) |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 10:14 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker My only experience with AF JA's is from interactions at the Army JAG school. AF JA's take classes there. In general, they are noticeably less professional. For all I know they are great attorneys, but they certainly aren't great examples of military officers. You may or may not care about that.
I am sure the clerkship helps, all else being equal, but as I've said already the hiring process appears so arbitrary to me that I couldn't even make a guess as to how much it helps. Having a board every month is obviously an advantage since you can apply more often. |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 10:16 PM Author: pale multi-colored corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14751279) |
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Date: April 18th, 2010 10:19 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I think that high blood pressure is disqualifying regardless of the medicine. You can get a waiver for almost anything, but I don't know about your case specifically. This is something that you could probably google. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14751345) |
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Date: April 19th, 2010 12:45 AM Author: sinister kink-friendly sound barrier center EDITED:
I see you can get deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan for 12 months. I assume you can't or wouldn't want to bring your non-military wife with you to Iraq.
How many deployments over a 20 year period would you expect?
I would be afraid to leave the side of any woman for a year. |
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Date: April 19th, 2010 12:54 AM Author: Arousing pisswyrm affirmative action Is there anyway to join JAG before law school? Is there any program in which you are guaranteed JAG if you work for the federal government since the beginning of law school? I have a 3.8 GPA, and 168 LSAT, if that helps. Thanks a lot.
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Date: April 19th, 2010 12:56 AM Author: sinister kink-friendly sound barrier center Sup, wrong reply guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14753403) |
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Date: April 19th, 2010 7:05 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker The only pre-law school guarantee that I'm aware of is the FLEP program which is only open to current Army officers and which is extremely competitive since the program pays for your entire law school tuition.
My advice is to apply as early and as often as you can. As I've said several times, the selection is arbitrary, so you might be rejected your first three times only to taken on your fourth try. |
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Date: April 19th, 2010 6:59 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You can't bring your spouse with you when you deploy. It's impossible to say how often you'll be deployed because it's impossible to know what conflicts will arise in the future or whether the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will be significantly wound down during President Obama's administration. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14759942) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 10:28 AM Author: buck-toothed histrionic scourge upon the earth digit ratio What does the security clearance consist of? Ever heard of anybody getting turned away because of that? |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 11:02 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You basically fill out some long questionnaire about your past. Where you've lived, where you've worked, references for each, all the places you've traveled outside the country in the past 5 or 10 years. Whether you've ever been arrested.
A secret clearance is not really a big deal. The most common problem people have is serious credit issues.
It's a publicly available form, so if you're curious about the exact questions you can google it. |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 12:08 PM Author: buck-toothed histrionic scourge upon the earth digit ratio Awesome - I found it, thanks! I think I'm just nervous because I have been accepted to Army JAG and the only components I have left are the security clearance and the medical. What if I have some disease I don't know about??? Ya know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14766184) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 12:26 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Congratulations on your selection. I wouldn't worry too much about the medical. Just remember that your blood/urine will be screened for illegal drugs, and if you pop hot it's game over. Also make sure that any prescription medications you may take are properly prescribed and that you have your documentation in order.
Were you selected by the March board? Have you received any indication of when you'll begin training? Some people in this thread have been asking about the time line so if you've received any info, I'm sure they'd like to know. All my information is over two years old from when I went through or based on second hand accounts. |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 12:37 PM Author: buck-toothed histrionic scourge upon the earth digit ratio Thanks! Not worried at all about "popping hot" LOL, thanks for the heads up though. I was selected by the March board. From what I have been told, once you submit the letter of intent to accept commission you will receive a rough timeline. I have not yet received that, so I can't really offer much information. I am already a practicing attorney though (actually currently still employed), so my timeline may be different from those who have yet to pass the bar exam. If I do get any information I will pass it along. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14766364) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 12:40 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I was working in biglaw when I was selected. I intensely hated my job and the wait between being selected and getting a start date so that I could quit my job was agonizing. Hopefully you'll get to start soon so you won't have to go through a similar experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14766380) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 1:01 PM Author: buck-toothed histrionic scourge upon the earth digit ratio Okay, AGONIZING is the exact word to describe what is going on right now. I thought it would be easier to handle the big firm job having an end in sight. It is not, it is so much harder actually just going through the motions. I was told there may be a 10% chance I will start in the next few months, but likely I will have to wait about a year. The March Board was not even considering selections for anything earlier than 2011. Any tips for surviving??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14766541) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 1:27 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Yeah, the time line is designed for people who haven't even graduated yet and need time to get admitted. If there is space, they'll put you in the the earliest class. The problem is that there just isn't space on short notice most of the time because of the way the time line works for most people. However, there are always cancellations so don't give up hope.
I started to draw the line between work time and personal time. I wouldn't check my blackberry after I left the office and if I had nothing going on I'd come in late, go for really long lunches and/or go home early. I still did the work, but I stopped caring about face time and 24/7 availability. By the end I was really good at this and it made the job infinitely more tolerable. The ironic part is that no one seemed to care or notice, so if I had done this from day 1 I probably would have lasted a lot longer in biglaw. With that said, joining the JAG Corps was the best thing I've ever done in my life and I would never want to go back. |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 2:45 PM Author: buck-toothed histrionic scourge upon the earth digit ratio I think that's really good advice. Kind of what I have been doing lately, anyway, but my group is so closely knit that they will definitely notice if they haven't already. I'm really glad to hear you say it was a good decision. I am very confident in my choice and close friends say this seems like a great fit for me, but family is a little less sure. I think the apprehension has to do with the drastic pay cut and the possibility of deployment. Anyway, I'm really glad I ran into you on here! I have talked to quite a few JAG officers, but none who left biglaw for it and certainly none who had to continue to go through the motions while waiting to start. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14767471) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 12:29 PM Author: soul-stirring slate ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14766303) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 12:37 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I don't work for JARO and I don't have any special insight into their operations. However, it is my understanding that you would submit two applications that would be considered by two separate boards. If they did realize you were applying for both, my guess is that it would be a plus since it shows that you want to serve and you're not just looking for a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14766360) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 5:01 PM Author: Rose Lodge i served 4 years active, 6 years national guard starting in 1998; hated it at the time (enlisted combat arms) but am starting to appreciate the lifestyle more and more the longer im a civilian. do you think this makes me a shoe-in despite my unranked school or median grades? would i still make cpt the same time as all the other non-prior service people, just under the o3e pay grade? im seeing that with baq/h, an o3e pulls about $97k (i put 6 years service since i dont know the exact formula for calculating reserve time towards active duty)? can that be right? i was an e5 before and am a 1L now. if i decide to reenter, should i start applying now?
also, since all i see is shitlaw in my future, how does this pay compare to the avg starting salary of an associate fresh out of law school? should i start taking ucmj classes or continue with my planned curriculum of real estate?
which state do you need to pass the bar in? just your home state?
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Date: April 20th, 2010 7:36 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I don't think it makes you a shoe-in. I know guys who enlisted after getting law degrees and still had to apply to several boards before being accepted. With that said, they seem to like prior service, so if you're otherwise qualified, but not an exceptional applicant, it could be that extra something you need to get selected.
If you have six years of prior service you will be paid as such. It doesn't matter if that time was active or reserve component. In fact, even IRR time counts (I think). The JAGC doesn't care what classes you take in law school. And I have no idea what the average pay is for the types of firms you're interested in. For me, I took a significant pay cut, but when the lower cost of living was factored in my quality of life was actually better. |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 8:55 PM Author: Rose Lodge you say to apply early and often, yet the app instructions online say i need transcripts and bar admission. so i only apply after i sit for the bar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14770962) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 10:22 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You need your JD and bar admission to begin, not to be selected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14771893) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 5:08 PM Author: Odious Becky Bawdyhouse any black people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14769109) |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 10:32 PM Author: godawful school cafeteria clown Thanks for this helpful thread.
Just curious, how much notice did you give? I'm planning on giving my firm 1 month, even tho I'd love nothing better than to run out the door on the same day.
For the other law firm guy, don't lose hope on starting in Oct. I start this summer (Nov. selected). Just let JARO know that Oct. is your first choice and you're ready to start any time. |
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Date: April 20th, 2010 11:34 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I waited for the main deal I was working on at the time to close and then gave two weeks. If I had more going on, I would have offered to stay longer to finish up stuff I was working on, but at the time I had almost nothing going on. I hated my job but after two good years I didn't want to burn bridges during the final weeks.
Have fun in Charlottesville in July. I'm jealous. |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 8:54 AM Author: buck-toothed histrionic scourge upon the earth digit ratio Am I the other law firm guy OR girl? How do I let JARO know that October is my first choice? I got an email from them saying that they received my letter of intent. Should I email back and put in my preference for a start date? Thoughts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14776015) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:52 AM Author: godawful school cafeteria clown You'll soon get another letter in which you rank your starting date preference and state when you can start. I don't think it hurts to also call JARO after getting that letter and tell them you really want to start in October (without bugging them too much). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14776165) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:19 AM Author: buck-toothed histrionic scourge upon the earth digit ratio Thanks for the tip! Have you been through security and the medical? Did you get one of your top choices for locations? You must be so excited! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#14776296) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2010 12:28 PM Author: alcoholic casino Subject: If you're ever back for questions- what's the interview like? I wondered if you could give me an idea of what the FSO interview is like? (I am out of school & stuck in biglaw, so I'd be arranging it on my own rather than through a career services office). What sort of questions do they ask? How does it compare to interviewing for private jobs? Any suggestions on resources to educate myself on etiquette (no military in the family/circle of friends, and I wondered, for one, how do you address the interviewing officer? And, is this like law firms, where a woman in a pantsuit instead of a skirt is supposedly viewed as less formal, or are they not that inane?)
I plan to apply for November, (and my impressions is that if I am unsuccessful, I should just keep trying?), so it looks like August is my first chance to get info. for arranging an interview...
I've read that things like being interested in making a career out of JAG (I am), not just a few years, can be a help, and also that being "athletic" (I run marathons & am about to start taking cross fit classes) is a good thing; is this true? |
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Date: May 22nd, 2010 1:02 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Dashing Location I have it from a Navy perspective, but I'll give you as much info as I can.
The FSO interview was unlike any law school or pre-job interview I've had. It was very informal (at least in terms of conversation and nervousness for me) but obviously you want to dress up. Not sure about skirt vs pantsuit, but if you're nervous a pantsuit is probably the way to go.
Coming from a similar, no military background, I had no problems with etiquette. You aren't required to salute or anything, so simple handshakes are just fine. If there was any question, I had no hesitation at calling anyone "sir", although I think that's probably technically incorrect with a few people I was addressing, I still got a very favorable recommendation.
You'll probably be grilled on why you're leaving private practice for JAG - be extremely well prepared with good answers for why you want to serve your country, what you think JAG will provide that Biglaw doesn't, and how your skills are more suited to a JAG experience than one in a law firm. So many people I spoke to talked about how serving with other JAG officer is much more like "camraderie" than being in a face in a sea of hundreds, so I suspect that's something that the Corps prides itself on. You should especially highlight that in your interview.
Be prepared for at least one deployment question, I think everyone gets one. Don't be shy or hesitate that you'd be interested in serving overseas - it may seem a bit douchey but they really want to gauge your sincere interest. IIRC I said something like "One of the reasons why I want to join JAG is to serve my country - and I know that now one of our greatest needs is overseas." Etc. Like I said, it sounds kind of douchey but it works.
Navy was interested in my fitness level, and I've heard anecdotally that the Army cares about it even more. Make sure to highlight all your fitness activities on your Resume and application and don't be afraid to bring it up during the interview.
One more thing, have plenty of questions prepared for JAG officer. Things like current missions, what you expect to do the first few months, criminal work experience, etc. Take time to really understand the Army JAG specifically and have questions tailored to them. I can't help out much here as I'm much more familiar with the Navy, but I'm hoping the OP comes back and gives some tips to help out.
KEEP APPLYING even if you don't get in. The JAG boards love to see it. You will probably have a harder time getting in your first time coming from private practice (I know it's extraordinarily hard to come into the Navy from a firm, the Army less so), so just keep on trucking.
Good luck! I wish I had saved my interview tips I got from a Navy dood, but I can't find it. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2010 10:44 AM Author: alcoholic casino That's very helpful - thank you! One thing I was very concerned about was answers that might sound too "douchy" as you put it even if they're the truth.
I have thought long and hard about this (at first I was considering applying reserve, but I realized .. why? Why try to keep the private career that I don't believe in, instead of just following through on what I do?) and one thing I wanted to be good and certain of before even applying is that I am willing to be deployed, and really that I WANT that chance to do my part. It feels a bit cheesy to say I want to do this because I believe in justice and freedom - the same reasons I wanted to be a lawyer - but it's the truth.
I'm just hoping the fact that my experience right now is mostly doc review, doc review, and MORE doc review isn't a problem... but on the somewhat amusing plus side (because I don't know how one could survive biglaw without a sense of humor) - I'm getting the sleep deprivation/long hours gig down! |
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Date: May 24th, 2010 6:26 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Everyone has a different style, but you can expect a few standard questions: How do you feel about the possibility of deployment, how do you feel about physical fitness being a part of your job, why do you want to be in the military, why do you want to be in the JAG Corps, what do you hope to get out of the JAG Corps, where would you want to be stationed, etc.
Business attire seems like the standard, but verify with the interviewer when you set it up. You don't need to say "sir" or "ma'am," but you should say "Captain/Major whoever," rather than "Mr./Ms. Whoever."
No one expects you to be a military expert. Your interviewer me have come into the JAG Corps with no knowledge or experience. On the other hand, he may be suspicious of military outsiders. So at least know some basic stuff...like the main JAG Corps practice areas, some Army posts you'd be interested in. Know what the training involves and be excited about it. Etc.
Being in it for the long run is important, but I'm sure everyone says that. What's important is being believable.
Last thing: I'm guessing you're female. Put your hair up, no jewelry, minimal makeup. Basically look like someone the interviewer could picture wearing an ACU. Being athletic is part of the look as well. |
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Date: May 25th, 2010 9:06 AM Author: alcoholic casino Yes, I am female, and thank you for the advice! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15079002) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2010 12:39 PM Author: hairraiser menage queen of the night 30 yr old alpha clean cut, 5 yrs in biglaw, no student loans to repay, could i negotiate and be made a major instead of a captain after ocs and after my first 6 mo rank? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15052989) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2010 11:11 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle crystalline fortuitous meteor Not likely -- at least in the Army. I know some other branches within the Army (e.g., MI) may provide time toward rank if the applicant has advanced degrees or work experience in the field. However, as far as I know, the JAG Corps is not one of them. Everyone I know who has joined the JAG Corps without any prior military experience has come in as a 1LT, regardless of their other professional experience. As a Major, you would be expected to have an advanced knowledge of military legal issues and likely be required to hold a supervisory attorney position (e.g., assistant chief of justice). The only way to be ready for that is by cutting your teeth as a Captain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15061355) |
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Date: May 24th, 2010 6:27 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker No chance. Sorry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15073477) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2010 7:12 PM Author: transparent irate den pozpig Subject: Branch transfer Not sure if you are still monitoring this board. Out of curiosity, what is the course of action required and likelihood of branch transferring from 11A RGR BN (0-3) to JAG. Would rank be lost, is there an age req, and are there any other issues that may arise? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15407866) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2010 9:09 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I don't know if this is a serious question or not. My gut says this is flame due to your MW2 Army lingo, but I'll bite. If you're talking about the FLEP program, it's highly competitive since there are so few slots. If you managed to attend law school while serving as a company commander in the Ranger battalion, then you are probably a total super star and won't have any trouble getting into the JAG Corps.
There is never an age limit when you branch transfer. And you never lose rank when you branch transfer unless your rank is due to non-military experience or education that is irrelevant to your new branch...e.g. An MD or JD going from the med corps or JAG Corp to combat arms would lose the time they were credited for schooling.
www.jagcnet.army.mil has the application. You will need to complete it, get accepted and then submit a branch transfer request up your chain of command. |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:24 AM Author: transparent irate den pozpig No FLEP. Using education benefits to attend law school. Was asking in regards returning to active duty to ride out 11A for a little longer and then branch transferring. I was curious as to whether or not JAG would let someone in as a O-3 even though it was held in another MOS. I always thought they would smack you down to O-2 at minimum. Thanks for answering. Not flame btw...and I'm not quite sure what MW2 lingo I was using :O (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15410392) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:12 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Okay, I'm sorry then. I certainly respect your accomplishments. You won't lose rank. Every JAOBC has a number of 03 branch transfers and even the occasional 04. You'll probably be class leader or 1SG and the 27 series cadre will feel intimidated by your Ranger tab and look to bust your balls any time you slip up. But it's all in good fun and I'm sure you're used to the BS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15412611) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2010 7:15 PM Author: house-broken athletic conference Serious Question - if you're on a base in some shit hole like Iraq or Afghanistan, what do soldiers do for sex? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15407875) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2010 7:27 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma hand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15407953) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2010 9:09 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Sex is rampant. The female Soldiers want to get laid too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15408537) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:24 AM Author: house-broken athletic conference but the sex ratio is pretty skewed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15410395) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:13 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Sloppy eighths? I don't know. Do what you need to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15412631) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:44 AM Author: spectacular chad gas station What didn't you like about biglaw? What do you like more about JAG? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15410560) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:23 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I didn't like the nature of the work nor did I find anything rewarding about it. My opinion of the work in the JAG Corps ranges from indifferent to interesting depending on what I'm doing and I almost always find it rewarding.
I didn't like the unpredictability in hours/weekends in BIGLAW. This is a non-issue in the JAG Corps.
I didn't like working so hard for partners who thought of me as a fungible revenue generating unit. In the JAG Corps, your superiors sincerely care about you and your fellow junior JA's are totally supportive and helpful.
I didn't like dealing with the above mentioned BS and still not being able to afford a decent sized apartment in a nice area close to work. I now make a lot less but lower cost of living lets me live better than I did in NYC.
I like being in the Army. |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:30 PM Author: spectacular chad gas station did it take you some time to get over doing something less prestigious? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15412797) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:36 PM Author: aphrodisiac halford toaster personally, i think JAG is a million times more prestigious than biglaw.
i'm applying this fall. |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:38 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Honestly, no. I did BIGLAW because that's what I thought everyone did. If I had thought about it more I would have never done it in the first place. When I visit my classmates and former coworkers, they look old and broken after only 4-5 years in BIGLAW. Most of them are getting fat. I'm in the best shape I've ever been in, my house is 4+ times bigger than their living spaces. I have lots of free time for travel and hobbies.
Yeah, I live in ARE COUNTRY and they make a lot more money than I do, but they don't have anything to show for it that would make BIGLAW worth it, in my opinion. |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 1:59 PM Author: arrogant potus Subject: For anyone wondering about pay A rough estimate of what you would expect to make, salary wise (housing + food + base included)
Unmarried: First 6 months ~57000 (+- 1000 depending on location) After 6 month mark ~65000 (+- 1000, location), 70k after 2 years in service
If you're married, add 3000 to each of the totals.
When deployed: add 5400 to your current paygrade so you would be making about 63000 tax free as a 02 1st Lieutenant; a little over 70k as a Captain 03. 77k as a CPT with 2 years service. All tax free
If you're married, add 3k for family separation pay to your 5400 total from above.
Of course, if you're drawing extra incentive pay like airborne pay, foreign language proficiency, expect more. |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 2:20 PM Author: arrogant potus btw, if stationed overseas, you receive an Overseas Housing Allowance instead of BAH. This has added perks as getting stationed in a place like Tokyo (as highly unlikely as this is) will net you over 9k a month, just for housing expenses.
haha thats almost triple your monthly base salary and you would be making 13k a month as a fresh single LT in Tokyo, Japan |
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Date: July 31st, 2010 4:55 PM Author: Motley high-end stage but housing expenses there are high enough to require that pay.. and if your rent is less than the max number then they dont give you any more than how much you pay for rent. i.e. federal employees in moscow get $5400 for apartment. but a luxury 1bdrm in the centr might actually be >$5400/month. and you cant buy it. you can only rent it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15663681) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 2:01 PM Author: spectacular chad gas station How can you manage to get into a LTR when you have to move frequently? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15413119) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 2:03 PM Author: arrogant potus This is a myth. Most military personnel DO get deployed but this has no bearing on their duty stations back in the states. They will most likely stay at one (if not 2) duty station for theirs first 4 years.
Career guys usually have a choice for base stabilization as an added incentive. |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 2:04 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I think 2-3 years is enough time to get into a LTR and girls outside NYC aren't going to be like "OMG I could never leave NYC with all its culture and fine dining and my 30k/year publishing job." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15413156) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 3:13 PM Author: spectacular chad gas station yeah but i want a really intelligent, career oriented woman. the only people who would be satisfied with a military boyfriend who has to move around would be more ARE country type, amirite? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15413704) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 4:00 PM Author: chrome outnumbered business firm Not necessarily. I know of some women with military husbands who make it work. Someone like a pharmacist can get a job anywhere. A lawyer might be able to work remotely when you have to move. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15413961) |
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Date: July 11th, 2010 1:16 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker If you define "career oriented" as unwilling to move for a military bf, then you obviously won't find a career oriented woman willing to move for her military bf. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15472418) |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 3:01 PM Author: Fragrant Infuriating Water Buffalo Hall avg work hours? wknds?
how much vaca did you take last yr? |
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Date: July 11th, 2010 1:13 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I'm always out by 5. Average hours/week are probably inflated by the fact that I have to get to work early for PT a few times each week. But if you factor that out ~40.
Unless you are doing military justice (prosecutor), you will almost never have to work a weekend, and even then it's rare. And it's not like you are doing doc review or due diligence. It's like some SGT got drunk on Saturday night and raped some private, so the MP's call you up, just like in Law and Order. So that's kind of cool.
Everyone from private to general gets 30 days of leave per year and you take it all. |
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Date: July 4th, 2010 3:22 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma have you tried a court-martial to verdict yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15413750) |
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Date: July 11th, 2010 1:14 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Yes. Guilty! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15472411) |
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Date: July 11th, 2010 12:36 AM Author: Wonderful medicated sweet tailpipe friendly grandma is having a misdemeanor on your record for marijuana possession an auto-ding every time if applying coming out of law school (or at all for that matter) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15469086) |
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Date: July 11th, 2010 1:04 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker This something that by regulation requires a moral waiver. I honestly don't know if that means an auto-ding. I would assume there are enough applicants who don't require moral waivers to fill the needs of the JAG Corps.
On the other hand, I believe that in the case of the JAG Corps, it is the the JAG Corps itself that is the waiver authority. So if they want you, getting a waiver is a foregone conclusion, meaning they don't need to risk giving you an offer only to have you disqualified by some external entity.
My guess is that for a minor issue like that, their only real concern is whether you'll be denied a security clearance, which is an auto-ding obviously.
I don't know the circumstances of your arrest and conviction, but the general rule is the farther in the past it happened, the better. |
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Date: July 11th, 2010 2:06 PM Author: arrogant potus a misdemeanor (even for possession) is not an autoding for security clearances. DOD/DOJ OPM investigators treat each case on a individual basis and will follow through each case.
People with misdemeanors have received TS/SCI clearances so don't just assume having a record is an auto-ding. |
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Date: July 11th, 2010 3:03 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I did not assume or suggest that a misdemeanor was an auto-ding for a security clearance. What I meant to convey is that the JAG Corps may be reluctant to pay someone for several months and put them through training, only to have that person fail to get a security clearance. Thus, if there is potential for a problem, they may be less willing to extend an offer. I would still apply though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15473334) |
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Date: July 11th, 2010 3:13 PM Author: spectacular chad gas station What are typical exit options for JAGs with 3 or 4 years of experience?
Is JAG -- > AUSA common? |
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Date: July 12th, 2010 3:45 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Just to be clear, no one leaves after three years under normal circumstances. You will have a 4 year commitment.
With respect to AUSA, I don't want to say that it's common but it's also not uncommon. If you want AUSA and you're not a complete retard, it's almost a foregone conclusion that you'll get it somewhere.
There's really not one most common route. A lot of people go BIGFEDGOV but a lot also go into private practice. The one thing that is not typical at the 4 year mark is BIGLAW, however even that is very possible later down the road if you focus on government contracting as you get more senior.
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Date: July 31st, 2010 4:50 PM Author: Motley high-end stage answer this question: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1383067&mc=16&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15663649) |
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Date: August 18th, 2010 2:24 PM Author: aphrodisiac halford toaster What do you know about Fort Bragg, Fort Hood, and Fort Lewis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15819783) |
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Date: August 19th, 2010 1:36 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Fort Bragg: Location sucks, especially if you are young and single. Not located close to anything cool. If you're married with kids and relatively settled, I hear there are nice suburbs, so it might be okay in that case. The 82d has a high optempo so you will almost certainly be deployed quickly. On the other hand, the 82d is a high speed unit and if you want to make the Army a career having an 82d AB combat patch on your arm won't hurt. You will also get airborne qualified which again won't hurt. It's also the home to the XVIII Airborne Corps under which the 82d falls. Also a good place to be. There are a bunch of other units, but you will likely end up with the 82d or the XVIIIth. Due to its reputation as the breeding ground for tomorrow's Army leaders, a lot of the people who want to go there will be striver douche bags. It can be an easy or hard assignment to get depending on whether your class has a lot of the aforementioned strivers or is made up more of ITE pwned I need a job and don't really want to be in the Army types.
Fort Lewis: Good location, close to Seattle, and thus hard to get assigned there. I don't know anyone personally out there so I can't give you any info. It's the home to I Corps and two or three brigades from 2d ID, plus some other small units. You you will probably end up at I Corps if you go there, although it is certainly possible for you to be assigned to a brigade. You can look up if/when I Corps is next scheduled for deployment.
Fort Hood: Very big. Close to Austin, which is cool, but the surrounding area is a dump. Lots of people live far off post to be in a nicer area. I think it's the biggest Army post. Home of 1st Cav and III Corps and a bunch of other units. Whether you'll deploy depends where you end up. Not that hard to get given its size.
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Date: August 25th, 2010 9:04 PM Author: aphrodisiac halford toaster Just saw your reply. Thanks dood.
Do people w/ on post housing (and actual houses) rent out rooms? Is it common for young officers to be roommates to cut down on rent? |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 10:51 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I don't really know anything about on post housing, but I would guess (and this is just a guess) that you aren't allowed to sublet. I could be wrong though. On post housing is in such demand in many locations that subletting could help.
Off post, I know some JAG's who have roommates. I wouldn't say it's common, but it's certainly not unusual. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:23 PM Author: aphrodisiac halford toaster Ahh, thanks.
If you're at Fort Hood, would you be assigned to 1st Cav or III Corps? |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:54 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You'll speak to an assignments officer on the phone and you may have some input but you should just be grateful to get the location you want and not worry too much about the unit. You're probably more likely to end up at 1st Cav just based on numbers, but no way to know for sure until you speak to the assignment people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15966766) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:14 PM Author: aphrodisiac halford toaster Thanks. Yeah, I'd definitely be happy with anything at Fort Hood. Just curious on how that works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967263) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:21 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker FT Hood is huge. Your chances are good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967295) |
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Date: August 25th, 2010 1:53 PM Author: citrine curious azn party of the first part Subject: Question Army JAG:
You're one of the few I've seen who seems to have started from a position similar to mine. I'm 30 years old (no military experience) and now 5 years out of law school, with a Federal clerkship and 2 1/2 years of BigLaw litigation experience under my belt. I was laid off in early 2009 and have been taking whatever's come my way since that point.
I was looking to send in applications to Army and AF JAG in spring 2010 but got severely sidetracked by some serious family issues. At this point -- today -- do you have any recommendations for what my first move is? My impression was that the first thing I needed to do is secure an interview, and then work on the mountains of application paperwork. Is that still the case?
(I'm interested in Army or AF JAG, whether Active Duty, Reserves, or National Guard -- Navy and Marines don't seem like real possibilities due to grueling selectivity, but I'd certainly apply there too if there were a chance I'd be accepted.)
Regarding securing interviews, I have a lot of law schools in my area -- do I just simply contact one and ask them whether AF or Army JAG officers are available to conduct screening interviews during fall interview programs? Or is that just a complete waste of time, and/or only appropriate for applications for a Reserves contingent?
Apologies in advance if the questions are a bit disjointed. I'm really just looking for where to begin again, and I appreciate any information you can give me. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:11 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker My advice to you is to stop over thinking and to start applying. Don't think any branch is too selective. You're obviously very competitive and there's really no rhyme or reason to the selection process, so my advice, as always, is apply early and apply often.
If you don't look like a fit guy in a suit, the first order of business is slimming down so that you will look the part during your interview.
I don't know how the other branches work, but for the Army you can go fill out the app online. There is a lot of shitty paperwork, but most of that comes after you are accepted. The app is straightforward, and then you just need the normal stuff: transcripts, certificate of good standing, optional LOR, maybe one or two other things I can't remember. Then look at the list of FSO's (interviewers) and schedule an interview with the one closest to your location. It's really a simple process. I would imagine the process is substantially similar for the other services. Check their websites. It's all there.
The reserve components are hugely important post-9/11, and many RC JAG's (e.g. AUSA's/ADA's) are better attorneys than their active duty counterparts, but it seems like you're looking for a full time career, not a part-time gig. It's not uncommon that someone joins through the Guard or Reserve, loves the experience and tries to go AD. Some succeed, most don't. But rumor has it the reserve components aren't happy about this so it's going to become a lot harder to switch over. My advice is if you want active duty, apply to every board for every service until you get it. You will get it eventually. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 2:31 PM Author: citrine curious azn party of the first part Thanks for getting back to me, Army JAG. Notwithstanding other difficulties, the "fit guy in a suit" one fortunately isn't one of them. But you do recommend completing online applications before scheduling interviews? (I ask because fall interview programs are currently beginning at area law schools and I'm wondering whether I can just schedule meetings with JAG officers who interview for these programs.) Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15948220) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:47 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Your application and your interviewers report all get put together with your transcripts and other stuff, which then get reviewed by a board all together. Unless the application instructions specify otherwise, it doesn't matter which you do first as long as everything is done before the deadline. If there is an FSO coming to your area and it's convenient, then do it that way. I drove up to West Point for my interview, but that's just me, and I don't think it really matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15966705) |
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Date: August 25th, 2010 10:07 PM Author: aphrodisiac halford toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15881351) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:49 AM Author: aphrodisiac halford toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15947151) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 9:31 PM Author: galvanic beta antidepressant drug station Subject: Can I get an exemption for antidepressants? I really want to do JAG reserves -- any branch. Just want to serve my country. But I'm on antidepressants and other meds that I know are technically not allowed. HOWEVER, I've heard that you can get an exemption for virtually anything. And given that I am highly functional on my meds I'm wondering if it's possible to get an exemption? What do you think? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15951326) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:50 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker While it might be possible to get a waiver for anything, I'm under the impression that in practice you cannot get a waiver if you are currently on antidepressants. But I'm certainly not an authority on the topic. The regulations relating to medical standards are online, so you can look for yourself. Or you can just call a recruiter. Should take all of five minutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15966737) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:12 PM Author: Dun House hey man so here's my situation - i have an nyc biglaw offer. in great shape, want to serve my country. however, i also am greedy.
i'm meeting with a recruiter next week. should i wear a suit? what should i ask him?
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:19 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker What kind of recruiter are you meeting? An officer recruiter? Or do you mean you have a JAG interview with an FSO? If the latter, wear a suit. If the former, wear whatever. The latter has nothing to do with JAG recruiting.
If you want to do both, then consider a career in the Guard or Reserve. You won't be the only biglaw attorney doing this, so don't think it can't be done. I suspect you'll hate biglaw, like most people, so consider applying for active duty. If they take you, you can always decline and accept a reserve commission instead. If you get rejected outright, apply for the reserve/guard, which are less selective for obvious reasons. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:24 PM Author: Dun House I called a Marine Officer Selection Office dude and we scheduled an appointment. Do I need a suit?
I was also considering Army, so that's why I posted in this thread.
I don't know if going in the Reserve or Guard would be an option, because the firm I'm going to is notoriously inconsiderate of work/life balance.
I want money, but I also want to serve my country and I come from a military family.
I really feel like I should choose one or the other, but not both.
Knowing what you know now, what would you do?
Thank you for this very helpful thread by the way. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:37 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I started in biglaw, hated it, and went JAG. I have no regrets about making the switch. Biglaw probably gave me better perspective though. I never think the JAG workload is very demanding, while some of my fellow JAG's disagree. It also probably taught me to produce a better work product. But with all that said, I would join the JAG Corps straight out of law school if I could go back in time.
I don't know how Marine recruiting works. Marine JAG's are line officers so this recruiter may actually be the guy who will get you started. It can't hurt to look professional. I'd go with a suit.
As for your firm, unless you want to make partner who cares? If you want to join the reserves just do it. You're protected by law and even if they could find some other reason to fire you, would they really want to risk the bad PR and a possible law suit? |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:47 PM Author: Dun House I'm not sure if I want to try to make partner.
It just seems like the demands of biglaw plus reserves would be too much.
Thanks for the advice on the suit. Any questions I should ask?
I'm going to bed, so thanks for this thread. It showed up just at the right time. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:51 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Marine JAG's are go to OCS and TBS. This is unique to the Marine Corps so ask about that and act like it all sounds great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967485) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:53 PM Author: Dun House Cool. One last question. Obviously you're biased, but what service would you recommend given the JAGs you've met/spoken with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967497) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:02 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I like the military and the military way of life, so the only two options for me would be Army and Marines. The Marines are line officers. The get a lot of infantry training and that's something I would have loved to have had more of. On the other hand, the Marine JAG Corps is MUCH smaller than the Army JAG Corps, which means there are more options and room for growth, all else in equal, in the Army.
Lastly, the Army seems like the only branch that is spared during this poor economic climate. All others face cuts. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:20 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma the app itself asks whether youve been treated for mental health problems.
of course in LS i was given some generic SSRI by an internist for 'stress/anxiety' but discontinued use years ago. ATD? |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:23 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker The bottom line is that I don't know and if you really want to join the JAG Corps you owe it to yourself to find out from someone who does know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967304) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:26 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma I doubt I would get a straightforward answer. Im still gonna apply anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967318) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:27 PM Author: Dun House you probably should lie. my dad (lifelong military) said never ever disclose any medical problem to the military
*NOT LEGAL ADVICE* |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:32 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma nah, def not gonna do that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967354) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:34 PM Author: Dun House my dad got promoted quickly and was quite successful during his career, so he might know a thing or two. but good luck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967365) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:40 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker I'm not going to tell you that lying is okay or that you should lie, but I will tell you that I strongly suspect most people who join the military don't volunteer every occasion on which they smoked a joint when they apply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967398) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:45 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma tbf, wouldnt I have documented proof of this though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967440) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:49 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker The concern most people have wrt to preexisting conditions is that they join the military, get on Tricare, go to get their expensive treatment, the military pulls their past insurance records, compares to what you disclosed, and then kicks you out for lying. It's really about medical insurance fraud. But anything is possible, which is why I recommend you speak to someone in the know so that you can make a good decision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967467) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:52 PM Author: Dun House Does Tricare demand the names etc. of past doctors and a HIPAA waiver? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967489) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:58 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Tricare is just the Army health insurance program. The medical questionnaire used to ask for past insurance carriers and doctors. Not sure if it still does. But I know JAG's personally who have separated Soldiers for this type of enlistment fraud, so however the Army goes about proving it, they have some process in place. But the point here is they're not going to pull your records unless you give them a reason to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967539) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:00 AM Author: Dun House So with a potentially disqualifying condition like depression for which you will probably need treatment in the future, it's a better idea to disclose, no?
But if it's something you had in the distant past that won't recur but may disqualify, it seems better to lie. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:03 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Yes. If you are going to ask the Army to pay for a preexisting condition, you should definitely disclose (you should always disclose for that matter). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967576) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:01 AM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma yeah Im not gonna risk this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967563) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 4:04 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle crystalline fortuitous meteor Don't disclose any medical conditions unless you absolutely have to -- for instance, unless you go into shock and have to be hit with an epi-pen in the middle of your interview. Anything less than that, keep your mouth shut. Unless you have a major, chronic problem for which they need to know yourmedical history for legitimate *medical* reasons, TRICARE won't go back through your prior medical records. Speaking from experience.
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Date: September 5th, 2010 6:46 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma this seems like terrible advice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15972452) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 6:47 PM Author: Dun House i've heard the same thing from other random military people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15972460) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:43 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma youve heard from random military people to lie on the JAG application? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15972894) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:53 PM Author: Dun House no. to never disclose medical issues to the military unless you are sure that it will recur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15972978) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:56 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma when do you have to disclose? is it after youre offered?
Im sort of referring to the app question about prior treatment for mental issues. It specifically asks you if you were EVER treated. I was briefly given a generic SSRI by a general internist during law school for stress/anxiety BS and ended up discontinuing use not long after. It isn't going to 'recur', but clearly I would be lying on the application if I said NO to this question. |
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Date: January 11th, 2011 1:38 PM Author: disgusting step-uncle's house I'm just adding to the record here.
Do not under any circumstances disclose a piece of information unless absolutely necessary. I had a buddy who was a real athlete (read: not golf, etc.) at a big time D1 program in college who decided to serve his country. He had shin splints or something like that and told them when he was undergoing his physical. It took months and letter from his college's physician to get it cleared up.
Here this guy was performing athletics at the highest college level and he was being treated as physically unfit when fat slobs who were enlisted, who were there getting examined (not sure why a prospective officer was there with enlisted?), zoomed right on through the process. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:30 PM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker Here you go: http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r40_501.pdf
The mental health stuff is on page 14. I read it very quickly but it looks like depression doesn't meet standard, but anything can be waived. Sorry if that's vague, but like I said, I really don't know how this works in practice. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:41 PM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma yeah, though i dont have depression or anything like that currently. This was some stupid BS from 2L. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967409) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:09 PM Author: Dun House i've heard second hand that the military really abhors people with diagnosed mental problems. it's a career killer. apparently dudes go for years with untreated depression etc. because they fear seeking treatment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967238) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:36 AM Author: Rusted big-titted trump supporter meetinghouse nix that plan then. i was on ssri too and stopped. i guess i am fuckt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967752) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:39 AM Author: Hyperactive narrow-minded dilemma I wouldnt not do it bc of that. I plan on applying at least. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967774) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:40 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker You're doing the right thing. The application is free. No reason not to try. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967781) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:27 AM Author: Rusted big-titted trump supporter meetinghouse changes of being deployed if i enter JAG reserve? also how hard to get into the reserves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#15967708) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:38 AM Author: shivering filthy site windowlicker The reserve probably has the same standards but there are a lot fewer people interested, so in that respect it's a lot less competitive.
I have friends from JAOBC in the Reserves/Guard and it seems like more people are looking to deploy than their are opportunities. That's obviously anecdotal, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, things can always change, either for better or worse. |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 2:46 PM Author: sable abode half-breed Subject: deployment Could you give us a basic breakdown of a JAG's job if he is deployed to Afghanistan? Are they on a base the entire time or traveling? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1281877&forum_id=2#16059859) |
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Date: January 25th, 2011 12:09 PM Author: citrine curious azn party of the first part I've got an old right wrist injury (torn ligament 9 years ago) that sometimes still gets sore when I'm lifting (The only exercise that really still aggravates it is barbell biceps curls -- push-ups don't seem to hurt it.)
Do you think the injury will affect my ability to do any PT? Do you think I'll have to disclose it when applying or at any other time? |