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Clerkship applicants: please stop calling chambers
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:45 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish Seriously, it doesn't help your cause. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998395) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:47 PM Author: aquamarine chapel ape What the fuck are they asking about at this time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998423) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:48 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish "I'm going to be in the area, so I was wondering if the judge had time to meet with me."
By "the area," they mean within a 500-mile radius. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:49 PM Author: aquamarine chapel ape what do you tell these people? also, don't they realize that you probably haven't looked through even 5% of the apps? they think they can just have you guys look at the materials ASAP, give it to the judge, then schedule an interview? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998459) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:17 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish I thank them for the call and tell them i'll pass along the information. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998770) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:57 PM Author: olive pontificating friendly grandma windowlicker wat about calling a judge to say you're (in-town) interviewing another judge on the same court?
Also, does calling chambers actually HURT your chances? Will the answering secretary somehow screen out your app? |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:18 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish in my chambers, it hurts your chances. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998781) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:21 PM Author: Dashing corn cake voyeur A lot of district judges don't have secretaries. Instead they have 2 term clerks and 1 career clerk. So the person you're talking to will, more than likely, have some hand in the hiring process.
Solution: just don't say your name! If they ask, yell like a girl and hang up. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:25 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish secretaries often have as much or more say in the hiring process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998845) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:31 PM Author: Dashing corn cake voyeur Yeah that's probably true. I've never encountered a fed judge who actually had a secretary so I wouldn't really know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998912) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:32 PM Author: dead 180 crackhouse cuckoldry it's usually 3 clerks + courtroom deputy, with the CRD acting as a kind of secretary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998921) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:33 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish not like that at my court. it must vary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998937) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:34 PM Author: Dashing corn cake voyeur I dunno, in my experience everyone handles secretarial duties. I'm sure this varies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998942) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:35 PM Author: dead 180 crackhouse cuckoldry well the CRD is usually a permanent employee and has been with the judge for years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998949) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:36 PM Author: Dashing corn cake voyeur So is the career clerk.
Man this is really a pointless discussion. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:37 PM Author: dead 180 crackhouse cuckoldry all have CRDs; not all have career clerks. My assumption is probably safer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998973) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:49 PM Author: bat shit crazy gaming laptop travel guidebook ! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998445) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:57 PM Author: house-broken crusty trump supporter public bath Why would people call now? Judges can't even interview if the are following the plan. I don't get their line of thought... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998539) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:58 PM Author: olive pontificating friendly grandma windowlicker some might be alums. The students might be calling to say they'll be in town at the time interviewing starts (Sept 16th I think) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998550) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:59 PM Author: aquamarine chapel ape why would you do that though? if the judge wanted to interview you, wouldn't he have called you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998558) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:02 PM Author: olive pontificating friendly grandma windowlicker maybe, maybe not; that's the thinking. By calling, they hope to move from a "maybe" to a definite interview. As my above post suggests, I did it once cuz I was interviewing a judge on the same court (same building) on a given day. Hoped to get more bang for the buck on my trip. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998599) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 11:00 PM Author: Cordovan multi-colored cruise ship I assume people are calling just to ensure that their resume is looked at. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999749) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:19 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish most judges are breaking the hiring plan this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998785) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:35 PM Author: odious brindle mental disorder senate why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998947) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:37 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish it's been a gradual thing. other than the d.c. circuit, which created the plan, most of the prestigious judges hire early so they can get the best applicants. look at the ninth circuit or SDNY - not many spots are still open for 2011-12. They're already interviewing for 2012-13 and 2013-14 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998978) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:44 PM Author: aquamarine chapel ape so how can 3Ls get hired out of law school in these places? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999030) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:47 PM Author: Dashing corn cake voyeur Find out which judges hire early and apply to them. Get profs/connections with ties to the judge to call. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999057) |
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Date: September 9th, 2010 11:25 AM Author: Soggy masturbator It's awful how few qualified applicants there are these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16002818) |
Date: September 8th, 2010 8:49 PM Author: Electric background story striped hyena would you ding someone if they called, told you their name, asked for a status update and then said "when are you dickbags going to make some fucking decisions?!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998458) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:52 PM Author: dead 180 crackhouse cuckoldry stop fucking fedexing your shit to chambers too; my judge just puts it in a file somewhere and doesnt really look at it; he isnt even hiring right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998494) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:00 PM Author: curious poppy center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998570) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:02 PM Author: dead 180 crackhouse cuckoldry u mad u mad, oh yea u mad, come at me bro come at me bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15998612) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 10:35 PM Author: galvanic scarlet nursing home chad Time to pose as all of my competition and dial-up all the chambers!
"Hi, my name is ____, I graduated top 10% at Columbia, and I routinely post on XOXO under the :D moniker." |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 10:55 PM Author: Titillating Unholy Filthpig Resort Hey EEYORE, when does your clerkship end? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999697) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 10:59 PM Author: galvanic scarlet nursing home chad It ended about a year ago, which as far as I am concerned makes it a year too short. I want my clerkship BACK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999730) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 11:11 PM Author: Titillating Unholy Filthpig Resort Watchoo doin' now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999843) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 11:43 PM Author: galvanic scarlet nursing home chad Working the big hours in biglaw.
I want my GS-scale salary and my government-sized hours back, damnit. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 11:49 PM Author: aquamarine chapel ape so you'd rather work fewer hours for less money? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16000246) |
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Date: September 9th, 2010 11:42 AM Author: know-it-all office karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16002914) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:32 PM Author: Honey-headed Ungodly Ticket Booth yup yup
the careers at my court are out at 430 everyday, probably make low 100s for essentially a 35 hour workweek. After a while, a lot of it becomes copy and paste motion/order bullshit. You'll occasionally write a SJ opinion or what have you, but even a lot of that incorporates canned language youve already written in the past. |
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Date: September 11th, 2010 8:27 PM Author: Titillating Unholy Filthpig Resort To be fair, nearly every person I know in biglaw would rather work fewer hours for less money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16021271) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 11:00 PM Author: orchid location regret if Im not a clerkship applicant can i call the chambers? is that ok? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999741) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 11:01 PM Author: stimulating mad cow disease you should call and tell them about your boner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999757) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 11:03 PM Author: orchid location regret "does this massive erection fall within your jurisdiction?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999768) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 11:02 PM Author: galvanic scarlet nursing home chad If I ever clerk again, I'll identify myself over the phone as "Eeyore." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#15999763) |
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Date: September 9th, 2010 11:38 AM Author: know-it-all office karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16002896) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 2:51 PM Author: Spectacular slippery hall goal in life Chambers: please stop calling me ahead of the plan dates to tell me how interested you are in my applicarion and asking "to get a sense of where we stand." I'll ding your shitty judge after my feeder interview comes in tomorrow. tyia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16026623) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:19 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish It got even worse on Friday. Every five minutes, a call from either a student or a professor. Yes, we're impressed with top 1/3 from Wash U and law review... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16026838) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:23 PM Author: aquamarine chapel ape what do you want profs to do though? everyone knows that prof calls are crucial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16026878) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:29 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish 99 percent of these calls are from profs who don't know my judge. their calls don't mean anything. if the judge knows the professor, that's a different story. we received five calls from a prof who said, "I rarely make calls on behalf of students, but ____ is exceptional." he must have been speed dialing for three days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16026928) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:30 PM Author: Honey-headed Ungodly Ticket Booth do the calls even get patched through to the judge? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16026939) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:36 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish there are a few profs who he knows well. if he isn't busy, we'll forward the call to him. otherwise, we'll take a message and give it to him, along with the clerkship application. he doesn't even want to hear about calls from the other profs who he doesn't know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16026976) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:36 PM Author: Passionate Knife how do you know which profs he knows well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16026983) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:45 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish He told us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027047) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:49 PM Author: Passionate Knife hey brah what would happen if i sent an updated resume BEFORE the application deadline to a judge requiring paper apps? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027077) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:51 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish no harm, i guess. makes it twice as likely that someone might glance at your resume. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027086) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:52 PM Author: Passionate Knife TTT to send in regular envelope wherein the resume would be twice folded? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027096) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:54 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish just send it in a manila envelope. and don't handwrite the address. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027108) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:54 PM Author: Passionate Knife lol. explain your second statement plz. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027115) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:58 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish Most people type the addresses onto the envelopes. The handwritten ones stand out, and not in a good/professional way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027141) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 4:02 PM Author: Passionate Knife oops. i figured you'd just take the papers out of the envelope and toss them in a stack without really connecting the two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027160) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 4:08 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish nope, we get the envelopes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027217) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 4:11 PM Author: Passionate Knife and what? you keep the envelopes with the application materials? are you really going to ding someone for that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027234) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 4:13 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish we keep the materials in the envelopes, just to organize them. you would be shocked at the number of paper applications we get - in addition to OSCAR. if it's a Harvard student with all H's and LR, we're not going to ding for that. but for all the candidates on the margins, we'll find any excuse to discard the app. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027248) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 4:13 PM Author: Passionate Knife I'M FUCKED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027254) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 4:17 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Candlestick Maker Death Wish If you have a firm job to fall back on, you're fine, and lucky in many ways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418157&forum_id=2#16027297) |