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Hamilton or HLS? Trying to get out to SoCal with minimal ties
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:30 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye I have lived in NYC my while life. My boyfriend is from the bay area and may be moving to SoCal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884113) |
Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:34 PM Author: Disrespectful Mediation Plaza ding from sls or yls?
no aid from hls? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:35 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884132) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:36 PM Author: Disrespectful Mediation Plaza #'s and softs? you can edit fast if you want (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884140) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:47 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884193) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:34 PM Author: deranged hell puppy hamilton definitely.
edit: you are retarded if you think the minimal socal boost from H justifies over 160K more in debt. H has a class of 550 fucking people. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:41 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884170) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:47 PM Author: deranged hell puppy do you just want biglaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884203) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:51 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye And something decent after. If I do H, biglaw will only pay off my loans
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:13 PM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site So the option is biglaw for 5 years with no savings or biglaw for 4 years with $170k+ in savings....
I think I would take the latter. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:17 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884409) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:20 PM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site My opinion is that once you get to that level, it is about you, not your degree. People are pretty damn impressed by CLS too....
And $170k, with interest, is a lot of money for the minor possibility that HLS will open doors that you can't open with CLS. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:30 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884481) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:34 PM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site Just f'ing lie. It is Southern California. They won't find out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884128) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:31 PM Author: nighttime brass really tough guy not flame, i dont get why this would be hard.
BAM! your fiancee is from [whatever town]. |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 10:09 AM Author: infuriating brilliant sneaky criminal idiot I don't think BigLaw rely cares if you have ties. They need people to wash out at 2-5 years. Having you possibly want to go back home is better for them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20695754) |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 12:29 PM Author: Supple Lay Goyim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20696316) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:40 PM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site BTW, I would obviously do the Hamilton....its a full ride, right? Any living expenses? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884161) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:42 PM Author: Disrespectful Mediation Plaza this is a slam dunk for east coast. dunno how great CLS is for CA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884173) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:47 PM Author: deranged hell puppy most of the CA offices and firms are at CLS EIP. median probably won't be enough without ties but it's not likely to be enough at H either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884198) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:10 PM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site ties to California. That could be anything. My family, my SO's family, blah blah blah. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884374) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:25 PM Author: Disrespectful Mediation Plaza which is better for CA: CLS or boalt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884462) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:09 PM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site CLS is 100% fine for CA...no real difference from HLS other than at the very top... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884366) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:45 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884184) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:12 PM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site but only government loans.
If you go to HLS you will 100% regret it when you figure out that anything you can do with HLS you can do with CLS except for possibly a harder time getting SCOTUS |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 10:03 AM Author: doobsian light wrinkle This is exactly true. I regret giving up the hamilton every single day of my life. I really really do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20695738) |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 12:27 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye What are your $ stats? Is part of your regret a result of hating biglaw? What are you trying to do with your life? Do you think it will be worthwhile in 10-15 years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20696297) |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 2:01 PM Author: doobsian light wrinkle People are impressed about where I went to school. I'm less than 30 and I've been offered positions from the typical law firm associate to CEO of a nonprofit. In 10-15 years, I will probably be somewhat wealthy and somewhat influential. I plan to stay in biglaw another 2-3 years before moving to a USAO in a prestigious district and then gunning for partner later or opening up my own firm.
I regret it because instead of paying 2k each month toward loans (100k outstanding), I could be investing that money. It is not just the price tag of HYS vs the Hamilton, but there's the interest payments and the loss of revenue that could be invested.
Instead of a negative net worth, I could have a positive net worth. |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 6:03 PM Author: Vibrant menage round eye I hear you and these are my concerns as well (with respect to interest, etc.). But don't you think in twenty years that money, even with interest (not) compounding and revenue not being generated, will not be something you miss greatly (assuming your plans are moderately successful)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20697964) |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 11:27 PM Author: doobsian light wrinkle I think, honestly, either choice you make you will live to regret. If I would have taken the Hamilton, I would have said I should have gone to YLS or HLS. Obviously I regret not taking the Hamilton.
So the key inquiry is over your lifetime, will a law degree from HLS or YLS be more valuable than 150k + Columbia J.D.? Loans, if you play your cards right, should only be a pain for about 5 years. A legal career should last about 40 years, on average. So the 35 years where loans don't matter, do you want a HY degree or a CLS degree? I chose HY degree and I imagine after I pay off my loans, that decision will start to look a lot better and will pay off over the long run.
That being said, the Hamilton is a lot of fucking money and CLS ain't Cooley. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:08 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700911) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:48 PM Author: thriller transparent national don't discount social prestige of going to HLS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884209) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 7:54 PM Author: charismatic locale lol at not taking the hamilton. you would have to be retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884253) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2012 8:33 PM Author: Peach international law enforcement agency are you out of your goddamn fucking mind (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19884502) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 12:36 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye Just found this page which basically answers my question.
see the second pie chart
http://www.law.columbia.edu/careers/career_services/admitted
compare to: http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/careers/ocs/employment-statistics/index.html |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 12:38 AM Author: Exhilarant ruby abode Dumb fuck: write "Hamilton" on your resume and it is as good as H (and much better if you can write Kent next to it). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886476) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 12:40 AM Author: Disrespectful Mediation Plaza lol no one cares about the hamilton. no one has even heard of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886498) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 12:43 AM Author: Exhilarant ruby abode I assure you every big firm hiring partner and HR office has. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886512) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:20 AM Author: Mewling location Regardless you can explain on the resume that it was a full scholly to CLS, that implies you could have gone to HLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20702547) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 12:38 AM Author: Disrespectful Mediation Plaza so you're going with hls? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886479) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 12:39 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye or giving up on SoCal. Dunno which yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886491) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 12:53 AM Author: deranged hell puppy i can say for a fact the c/o 2011 placed more like 5% into cal (about 25 people) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886565) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 1:07 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye Any idea what kind of ties those people had? How do u like it there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886633) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 1:15 AM Author: deranged hell puppy most did, but it wasn't a requirement. i know a handful of people without ties who got socal.
honestly, it's pretty good. a lot of the stereotypes about students and the neighborhood are overblown (the product of the aspie echo chamber on message boards like this one i guess). i guess the only complaint i have that is cls specific is that the administration and specifically career services seems to suck really hard here even in comparison to other T10 schools. but the good thing about cls is very few people will be in a situation where OCS can fuck up your career because almost everyone who wants it gets some form of biglaw. i, unfortunately, was one of them. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 1:58 AM Author: chest-beating beta rehab liquid oxygen some ttt career services person mislabeled that pie chart. there's no way that's right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886849) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 1:19 AM Author: Maize theater double fault if you decide to pay 180k so you can say "I went to harvard" then you are truly a massive faggot and I will truly spew HIV into your Tight Anus. your job/location/career outcomes will not be different at HLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886692) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 2:37 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886913) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:31 PM Author: Elite Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo lol, I love Andrew Sullivan. Does he really have HIV? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19891091) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:36 PM Author: nighttime brass really tough guy yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19891118) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 1:43 AM Author: shaky bawdyhouse turdskin Do you have a technical degree?
If so, take the Hamilton and enjoy BIGSOCALIP. They won't care about your ties.
If you don't have a technical degree, take the Hamilton anyway. No way is the marginal boost from H worth $100k+ in debt. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 2:04 AM Author: Spectacular Native It really pisses me off they give these arbitrary awards to people as fucking stupid as you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886868) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 2:40 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886921) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 2:44 AM Author: Adulterous Institution Persian I'm CLS '08 and if you take HLS for "da bomb" you deserve to pay 170k in extra debt for how completely retarded you are. Please do it.
I obviously don't know what life ITE is, but everyone who wanted CA got it. It was a sizable number of people, and more spent a couple years in NYC before heading west. CLS is a huge name and gives you the same credibility as HLS with firms, other lawyers, etc. CLS is historically extremely prestigious and that is not changing any time soon.
HYSCC are all spectacular platforms for launching any legal career you can possibly think of. The rest is up to you, the relationships you build in law school and as a lawyer and how intelligent (or not) you are in executing a career plan. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 2:52 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886949) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 2:56 AM Author: Adulterous Institution Persian I also knew many Hamiltons and their career outcomes thus far are exactly what you might expect someone at the very top of the class at HLS to do (of course, the same things the same people at CLS do). None of them would be anywhere different if they'd done HLS. Google is your friend here.
There are no SCOTUS clerks from my class but that's about it and you weren't going to be one of those anyway. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:45 PM Author: Heady unholy kitty It's no Harvard, bro. It's more of a NYU. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19891169) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 10:01 PM Author: Primrose trip potus partner To be fair,
"HYSCC are all spectacular platforms for launching any legal career you can possibly think of."
...unless you want to serve on SCOTUS. Then maybe you should avoid Chicago.
Actually, you should probably avoid Chicago anyway. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:16 AM Author: vivacious fanboi corner (PRE_ITE_SCHTICK) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700967) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 3:00 AM Author: Comical slippery stag film coldplay fan LOL @ someone taking HLS over Hamilton at CLS. This was questionable even pre-ITE. Now it is a no-brainer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19886961) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:36 PM Author: Dashing avocado heaven hls grad here, would have taken hamilton w/o question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19891115) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2012 9:36 PM Author: Elite Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/16/yale-harvard-law-taking-over-supreme-court/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19891116) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:00 AM Author: out-of-control sweet tailpipe I chose HLS over Hamilton and it was a financially good decision for me, but this is probably the exception.
If you want to get a law firm job the schools are virtually identical; if you plan to go into business HLS is way more beneficial. |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:12 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye About the business thing: In what sense do you mean? I assume you're getting at the credibility factor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19892048) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:46 AM Author: out-of-control sweet tailpipe Yep. Business is full of dumbasses, and if you went to HLS people will at least be more likely to listen to you and assume you're a cut above the average loser who pitches something to them.
If you went to CLS you're just a lawyer. |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:15 AM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site Unless u r a decade out of law school how can u know if it was a good financial decisions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19892070) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:16 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye cr unless he got big FinAid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19892077) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 12:41 AM Author: out-of-control sweet tailpipe Because in business it's possible to make as much in a couple years as you would in a decade of biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19892218) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 1:04 AM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site I assume u r still in law school right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19892353) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 9:20 AM Author: out-of-control sweet tailpipe No several years out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19892831) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:33 AM Author: fiercely-loyal bright site So r u making just tons of money? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19893116) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:53 AM Author: out-of-control sweet tailpipe Yeah. It's not like a salary where I know exactly how much I'm making, but over the past couple years I've build up assets that are worth >$1mm (and potentially way more than that) and taken home several hundred thousand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#19893199) |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 12:22 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye What kind of business thing r u doing? How did you get into it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20694413) |
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Date: February 4th, 2012 11:00 AM Author: floppy point wagecucks of the two peoplei know who did sticker at HLS over hamiltons at CLS:
1) one is in boston biglaw
2) the other is doing a ph.d
so in other words... they prolly should have taken the hamilton hahaha |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 12:32 PM Author: Appetizing Rusted Theater Stage Boltzmann It's a close call. I'd say in this economy, take the Hamilton because it will allow you greater flexibility down the road. That said, if Harvard truly feels like the place you want to be and you'll regret it for the rest of your life if you don't go, then take Harvard. You'll get the money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20696339) |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 11:33 PM Author: cheese-eating church old irish cottage You are a financial retard if you take HLS over Hamilton. no wonder you are a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700562) |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 11:51 PM Author: Confused Cracking Stage Sex Offender serious q: what's hamilton? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700757) |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 11:53 PM Author: 180 Blue Brunch Rigor full tuition at dat CLS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700776) |
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Date: May 15th, 2012 11:53 PM Author: apoplectic cordovan theatre This was a well-done flame.
Inspiring effort.
I would just choose to be admitted to YLS, btw. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:00 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye I wish it were brother then the choice would be easy. Out of curiosity why do you think so. There are big TLS threads on this topic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700832) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:01 AM Author: apoplectic cordovan theatre The choice is already easy: Continue the flame for as long as you can. A+ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700842) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:01 AM Author: 180 Blue Brunch Rigor i took HYS over Hamilton, but i didn't have to pay much for law school. i don't envy your decision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700843) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:05 AM Author: Vibrant menage round eye I feel like if I'm just doing NYC biglaw, C is the easy choice, but if I want to get out of law or do something random in ten years, H would be a real asset. Of course, so would not having debt/having amassed some savings... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700882) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:07 AM Author: Confused Cracking Stage Sex Offender no debt would be nice, so u can buy some fire extinguishers to put out ur flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700905) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:11 AM Author: 180 Blue Brunch Rigor I dunno why the above poster is calling flame. Back in the day we had lots of prestigious posters who faced choices like HYS versus Hamilton or Darrow. Anyway good luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20700927) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:13 AM Author: Exhilarant ruby abode Hamilton NO FUCKING doubt. Everyone in a position to hire you knows what Hamilton means. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20701348) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:14 AM Author: apoplectic cordovan theatre They can probably also recognize fires. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1863826&forum_id=2#20701350) |