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9TH CIRCUIT FUCKS OVER ISLAMIC CHARITY-

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2012/02/27/10...
startling becky
  03/07/12
cliff notes?
Cerebral meetinghouse party of the first part
  03/07/12
CASE SUMMARY PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Plaintiff non-profit organ...
startling becky
  03/07/12
hey Anwar, how mad does this billboard make you? http://c...
trip pistol
  03/07/12
Christ. Atheist are fucking unbearable.
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
yeah, because religious people NEVER ADVERTISE THEIR FAITH. ...
vigorous friendly grandma
  03/07/12
Lol, u seem butthurt faggot
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
I found that fags "omg these are insular communities so...
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
they are brainwashed from birth into believing horseshit. I...
vigorous friendly grandma
  03/07/12
Lol hi David Silverman. You sound like the prototypical horr...
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
oh hai you sound like the prototypical xo nihilist who has r...
vigorous friendly grandma
  03/07/12
Right Wing authoritarian
Flatulent bateful dopamine immigrant
  08/04/12
lol y u say that, brother?
startling becky
  03/07/12
(jailhouse lawyer)
Unhinged Market Newt
  03/07/12
never thought they'd have the guts to do it.
electric crawly liquid oxygen
  03/07/12
Do what?
startling becky
  03/07/12
Stand up to a religion that actually bombs its enemies.
electric crawly liquid oxygen
  03/07/12
LOL, yeah big stand. Charities used to funnel money into glo...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
??
startling becky
  03/07/12
Dude, this is hardly a decision "fucking over Islamic c...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
...
Razzle national shitlib
  08/04/12
in what other country would these homicidal maniacs even be ...
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
IKR, shit's absurd. THis decision is retarded. The fact that...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
You are not addressing the case on the merits. Your complain...
startling becky
  03/07/12
You have the weirdest schtick bro
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
your obviously not addressing the facts or arguments of the ...
startling becky
  03/07/12
Libpedo logic Law I like "You should follow the...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
The 9th Circuit found a violation of their constitutional ri...
startling becky
  03/07/12
Who cares? They're terrorists. Also you're retarded if yo...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
AHIF-Oregon argues that OFAC’s failure to obtain a warrant ...
startling becky
  03/07/12
They don't have to. Executive Order 13224 THEYRE A DESIGN...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
On the other side of the scale, the government’s interest i...
startling becky
  03/07/12
Ask the terrorists politely to stop funding Osama Bin Laden,...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
(jailhouse lawyer)
Unhinged Market Newt
  03/07/12
fucking administrative seizure of your assets. go fuck your...
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
TCR I also would've interrogated them
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
The dispute centers on a donation in 2000 by AHIF-Oregon to...
startling becky
  03/07/12
you don't get to say how it was used when you're a fucking t...
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
(fungibility-theorist sympathizer)
startling becky
  03/07/12
haha not exactly theoretical
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
Yeah, NBD let's just take their word for it. I'm sure if a b...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
GYK
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
also it's not a libpedo vs conservatard issue. guess who vo...
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
It's a retarded not-retarded thing. NBD, nonprofit status...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
why did Professor David Cole, a moderate lib, litigate this ...
startling becky
  03/07/12
he litigated HLP and lost, is pissed.
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
i bet if Kagan was on the bench at the time she was litigati...
startling becky
  03/07/12
wrong on Kagan, brother.
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
no i think im actually right--Cole even said this one time d...
startling becky
  03/07/12
Really? Pls explain your reasoning. Thanks.
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
you're a fucking faggot. the 1A to the Constitution does no...
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
Ahhh....so Breyer and Ginsburg were wrong, but John Roberts ...
startling becky
  03/07/12
sure but you don't even need deference. the 1A says nothing...
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
Yet, broad deference to highly generalized judgments while ...
startling becky
  03/07/12
You're a hilarious dumb. Hth.
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
can't respond on the merit, ha? Ad hominems is how you roll,...
startling becky
  03/07/12
You've never posted an ounce of legal analysis EVER that you...
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
Lol moderate lib? He's completely insane in his preoccupatio...
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
never heard of a jacobin loon expression? explain
startling becky
  03/07/12
Thoughts on asset forfeiture as an 8th am, violation?
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
...
Razzle national shitlib
  03/07/12
(jailhouse lawyer)
Unhinged Market Newt
  03/07/12
...
startling becky
  08/03/12
ITS MY RIGHT TO PROVIDE MATERIAL SUPPORT TO TERRORISTS. I LO...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
http://www.harvardlawreview.org/media/pdf/vol_12401holder_v_...
startling becky
  03/07/12
Doe gives material support to the Nazis, is convicted and ar...
Stimulating puppy hall
  03/07/12
that is not even remotely factually comparable to the situat...
startling becky
  03/07/12
Harvard Law Review is clearly full of terrorist sympathizers...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/faculty/fiss_worldweli...
startling becky
  03/07/12
I was talking about the other article, you know the one that...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
I'm a fan of Schmitt--all modern day political concepts are ...
startling becky
  03/07/12
yeah yeah yeah. The important thing is that terrorists re...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
friend/enemy distinction, bro. that's what all politics is a...
startling becky
  03/07/12
LOL, naive. Politics is like girls in high schools. The dist...
Swollen Sapphire Rigpig
  03/07/12
pwned
Internet-worthy obsidian crotch
  08/03/12
explain what u mean
startling becky
  08/03/12


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Date: March 7th, 2012 5:29 PM
Author: startling becky

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2012/02/27/10-35032.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20151298)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 7:09 PM
Author: Cerebral meetinghouse party of the first part

cliff notes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20151833)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 7:14 PM
Author: startling becky

CASE SUMMARY

PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Plaintiff non-profit organization was designated by defendant Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) as a specially designated global terrorist pursuant to Exec. Order No. 13,224. The non-profit filed an action asserting that the OFAC had violated its due process and Fourth Amendment rights. It appealed the United States District Court for the District of Oregon's grant of summary judgment to OFAC.

OVERVIEW: Substantial evidence supported that the non-profit was owned or controlled by an individual who had been designated a global terrorist, and that the non-profit provided support to al Qaida and other designated persons as a branch office of an organization that shared its name in Saudi Arabia. That evidence included the fact that the non-profit chose its name to parallel the Saudi Arabian organization's name and the names of other branches. Additionally, three out of four founding members of the non-profit were senior officials of the Saudi Arabian organization. Moreover, several documents in the record demonstrated that, at times at least, the non-profit described itself to others as a branch office of the larger organization. Given the extreme importance of maintaining national security, OFAC was entitled to use classified information in making its designation determination. OFAC's failure to pursue potential mitigation measures violated the non-profit's due process rights because the small burden on the agency of providing mitigation measures did not outweigh the potential value to the non-profit. However, that error was harmless, as it would not have changed the designation.

OUTCOME: The judgment was affirmed in part as to the redesignation of the non-profit organization as a specially designated global terrorist and the rejection of the non-profit's Fifth Amendment due process claim. It was reversed in part as to the non-profit's Fourth Amendment claim and another organization's First Amendment claim. The case was remanded to determine what relief, if any, may have been available.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20151851)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 7:17 PM
Author: trip pistol

hey Anwar, how mad does this billboard make you?

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/07/on-billboards-a-bilingual-call-to-nonbelievers/?ref=nyregion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20151875)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:06 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

Christ. Atheist are fucking unbearable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153252)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:09 PM
Author: vigorous friendly grandma

yeah, because religious people NEVER ADVERTISE THEIR FAITH. Also note "“We all treasure the First Amendment rights,” he said. “I promise you that in any minority community, they would not dare take out an advertisement that is racist.”

DAS RACIS!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153279)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:15 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

Lol, u seem butthurt faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153318)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:18 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

I found that fags "omg these are insular communities so we need to save them because they have no way of crying out for help" shtick to be lol-inducing. Totally outs himself as a self righteous, vain and deluded sack of shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153334)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:20 PM
Author: vigorous friendly grandma

they are brainwashed from birth into believing horseshit. I support attempts to free minds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153348)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:22 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

Lol hi David Silverman. You sound like the prototypical horribly unbearable militant atheist. Fucking gas yourself, kike.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153364)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:46 PM
Author: vigorous friendly grandma

oh hai you sound like the prototypical xo nihilist who has reverted into defending the status quo because you are a miserable piece of shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153753)



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Date: August 4th, 2012 12:20 PM
Author: Flatulent bateful dopamine immigrant

Right Wing authoritarian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#21257400)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:13 PM
Author: startling becky

lol y u say that, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153304)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:02 PM
Author: Unhinged Market Newt

(jailhouse lawyer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153994)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 7:16 PM
Author: electric crawly liquid oxygen

never thought they'd have the guts to do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20151863)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 7:18 PM
Author: startling becky

Do what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20151883)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 7:22 PM
Author: electric crawly liquid oxygen

Stand up to a religion that actually bombs its enemies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20151905)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:26 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

LOL, yeah big stand. Charities used to funnel money into global terrorism are a no-no. It didn't even say that. It should have,

Maybe now they can apply this to the FALN affiliated "charities", who are the most egregious at this after the radical islamic ones

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153394)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:28 PM
Author: startling becky

??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153403)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:30 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

Dude, this is hardly a decision "fucking over Islamic charities"

They just remanded a case saying there are no appellate issues.

3(4) board members are fucking terrorists. How is this even being entertained?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153422)



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Date: August 4th, 2012 12:28 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#21257434)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:28 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

in what other country would these homicidal maniacs even be entitled to a judicial forum?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153409)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:29 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

IKR, shit's absurd. THis decision is retarded. The fact that this didn't get dismissed on summary in the original court boggles the mind.

Fucking lawyers.

Oh, NBD, yeah sure, terrorists should be allowed to promote their agendas with nonprofit status.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153414)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:31 PM
Author: startling becky

You are not addressing the case on the merits. Your complaining about it on the basis of what u think is fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153434)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:31 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

You have the weirdest schtick bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153439)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:33 PM
Author: startling becky

your obviously not addressing the facts or arguments of the case--your just mouthing off like a typical conservatard..seriously address the merits like a man..man the fuck up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153456)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:35 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

Libpedo logic

Law I like

"You should follow the law, you can't play by your own rules"

Law I don't

"We can't follow the law because of penumbras, social justice errrr, or something else."

You're either naive or dishonest. If you don't follow that law is policy and vice versa, you're an idiot. And this is why I'm against legislating from the bench. Both sides do it, let's not fucking kid ourselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153475)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:36 PM
Author: startling becky

The 9th Circuit found a violation of their constitutional rights by the seizure, but then fucked over the Islamic chairty by saying that it was HARMLESS ERROR.

We hold that all three Mathews factors support the

conclusion that OFAC violated AHIF-Oregon’s due process

rights. First, OFAC’s blocking notice deprived AHIF-Oregon

of its ability to use any funds whatsoever, for any purpose.

Second, because AHIF-Oregon could only guess (partly

incorrectly) as to the reasons for the investigation, the risk of erroneous deprivation was high. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, although national security might justify keeping AHIF-Oregon in the dark, OFAC makes no effort to demonstrate that its failure to provide AHIF-Oregon with reasons for seizure

its investigation promoted national security. OFAC presents

three different arguments to justify its failure to provide a

statement of rea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153514)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:37 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

Who cares? They're terrorists.

Also you're retarded if you can't follow the money trail, they were funding insurgents in Chechnya and likely Ingushetia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153529)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:40 PM
Author: startling becky

AHIF-Oregon argues that OFAC’s failure to obtain a warrant

supported by probable cause violated its Fourth Amendment

right to be free of unreasonable seizures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153587)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:44 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

They don't have to. Executive Order 13224

THEYRE A DESIGNATED GLOBAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION YOU FUCKING MORON

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153700)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:48 PM
Author: startling becky

On the other side of the scale, the government’s interest

in preventing terrorism and the funding of terrorism is

extremely high. But the sensitive subject matter is no excuse

for the dispensing altogether with domestic persons’ constitutional rights. Rather, the dispositive question here is whether it is impracticable for OFAC to achieve its undeniably important aims without securing a warrant.

OFAC asserts that the timing of

its blocking orders is coordinated with other governments,

which makes it impractical to obtain a warrant.

[24] We are not persuaded. As an initial matter, we reiterate

that the number of designated persons located within the

United States appears to be very small. The warrant requirement

therefore will be relevant in only a few cases.

We acknowledge that the issue of “asset flight” is a legitimate concern; that coordination may be required with different agencies of this government or even with foreign

governments; and that additional assets may be discovered in

the future. To the extent that those concerns are present in any given situation, OFAC can protect its interest in stopping the funding of terrorism by seizing the assets initially pursuant to an emergency exception to the warrant requirement

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153789)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:50 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

Ask the terrorists politely to stop funding Osama Bin Laden, THEN issue a warrant, and once they're safely out of the country and the funds have been funnelled to Saudi Arabia, then we arrest them.

K cool. I'm sure your strategy will work out awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153829)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:01 PM
Author: Unhinged Market Newt

(jailhouse lawyer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153989)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:31 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

fucking administrative seizure of your assets. go fuck yourself terrorist faggots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153436)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:31 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

TCR

I also would've interrogated them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153441)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:32 PM
Author: startling becky

The dispute centers on a donation in 2000 by AHIF-Oregon to AHIFSaudi Arabia of more than $150,000. AHIF-Oregon concedes

that it made the donation but strenuously argues that it was

intended to be used, and in fact was used, for humanitarian

relief in Chechnya. The donation originated from an Egyptian

national who apparently wished to funnel the money through

AHIF-Oregon. AHIF-Oregon received the funds and then transferred them to AHIF-Saudi Arabia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153451)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:33 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

you don't get to say how it was used when you're a fucking terrorist. money can be used for various purposes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153460)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:35 PM
Author: startling becky

(fungibility-theorist sympathizer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153474)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:36 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

haha not exactly theoretical

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153505)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:51 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

Yeah, NBD let's just take their word for it. I'm sure if a bunch of designated global terrorists said they used their money for humanitarian purposes, they can't be lying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153844)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:34 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

GYK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153464)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:36 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

also it's not a libpedo vs conservatard issue. guess who voted majority in Humanitarian Law Project? Stevens.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153481)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:38 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

It's a retarded not-retarded thing.

NBD, nonprofit status for terrists. Even some liberals draw the line at gov't giving tax breaks to terrists spreading their hateful ideology

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153574)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:40 PM
Author: startling becky

why did Professor David Cole, a moderate lib, litigate this case for these hateful people?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153613)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:41 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

he litigated HLP and lost, is pissed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153640)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:42 PM
Author: startling becky

i bet if Kagan was on the bench at the time she was litigating the case on behalf of the government she would have sided with Cole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153666)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:44 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

wrong on Kagan, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153702)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:45 PM
Author: startling becky

no i think im actually right--Cole even said this one time during his moot things

yAnyways, Roberts opinion was terribly justified on the merits. Breyer's dissent is brilliantly crafted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153734)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:46 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

Really? Pls explain your reasoning. Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153750)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:48 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

you're a fucking faggot. the 1A to the Constitution does not require that we allow anyone to give support to terrorist groups. it never has and never will no matter what David Cole says.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153794)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:50 PM
Author: startling becky

Ahhh....so Breyer and Ginsburg were wrong, but John Roberts deference to the executive branch was right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153825)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:51 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

sure but you don't even need deference. the 1A says nothing about your right to support our enemies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153843)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:53 PM
Author: startling becky

Yet, broad deference to highly generalized judgments while determining a First Amendment issue, as the HLP Court strongly appeared to do despite its insistence to the contrary,66 raises a serious problem because uncritically relying on such judgments does not seem consistent with the application of heightened scrutiny.67 The theory motivating

the use of heightened scrutiny is that it ensures a close connection between means and ends to avoid unnecessary restrictions on liberty. That inquiry means little, however, if courts defer to factual claims without examining their foundations.68 In HLP, the majority implicitly chastised the dissent for “[a]t bottom . . . simply disagree[ing] with

the considered judgment of Congress and the Executive.”69 In the general case, this critique would be right: both institutional competence and democratic accountability support deference to the political branches in foreign affairs and national security, especially with respect

to predictive judgments assessing future threats.70 But to defer in this way when applying heightened scrutiny, according to which the government must rigorously justify its choices (and hence account for the claims underlying those choices), is to reverse the normal burden.71 Furthermore, uncritical deference to a highly generalized judgment, as in HLP, leaves serious questions regarding the degree to which that judgment actually applied to the specific matter at issue.

http://www.harvardlawreview.org/media/pdf/vol_12401holder_v_humanitarian_law_project.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153884)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:55 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

You're a hilarious dumb. Hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153910)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:57 PM
Author: startling becky

can't respond on the merit, ha? Ad hominems is how you roll, ha?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153918)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:02 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

You've never posted an ounce of legal analysis EVER that you didn't copy/paste

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153999)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:42 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

Lol moderate lib? He's completely insane in his preoccupation with bush and the gwot. The guy is a fuckig jacobin loon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153662)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:43 PM
Author: startling becky

never heard of a jacobin loon expression? explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153676)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:47 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib

Thoughts on asset forfeiture as an 8th am, violation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153769)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:44 PM
Author: Razzle national shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153713)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:02 PM
Author: Unhinged Market Newt

(jailhouse lawyer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20154004)



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Date: August 3rd, 2012 11:07 AM
Author: startling becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#21249032)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:53 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

ITS MY RIGHT TO PROVIDE MATERIAL SUPPORT TO TERRORISTS. I LOVE AMERICA JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. DAS RACIS TO CALL ME A TERRORIST.

(yells ALLAHU AKBHAR, has bomb strapped to chest)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153881)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:54 PM
Author: startling becky

http://www.harvardlawreview.org/media/pdf/vol_12401holder_v_humanitarian_law_project.pdf

harv l rev disagrees with your sarcasm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153893)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:57 PM
Author: Stimulating puppy hall

Doe gives material support to the Nazis, is convicted and argues it was his First Amendment right. What result and why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153923)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:58 PM
Author: startling becky

that is not even remotely factually comparable to the situation in HLP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153934)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 10:58 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

Harvard Law Review is clearly full of terrorist sympathizers.

I prefer YALE LAW REVIEW'S moar preftigious opinion on the matter.

You're running pretty good flame lately bro. Your pro-material support for terrists is just too bizarre though. Even most liberals have more integrity than that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153937)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:00 PM
Author: startling becky

http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/faculty/fiss_worldwelivein.pdf

this one is a great own by one of my fav con law gurus, Owen fiss.

This Essay focuses on a related threat to our constitutional order—the curtailment of freedom of speech in the name of fighting terrorism. Specifically, my subject is the

Supreme Court’s decision last June in Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project,6 which upheld the authority of Congress to criminalize political advocacy on behalf of foreign

terrorist organizations. Like warrantless wiretapping, the risk of a criminal prosecution for political advocacy—for example, an utterance by an American citizen in an

American forum that a foreign terrorist organization has a just cause—poses a threat to our democracy, but the danger is greater. The risk of warrantless wiretapping inhibits

speech; the risk of a criminal prosecution stops it altogether.

A focus on the Humanitarian Law Project decision will also enable us to assign responsibility more accurately for the debasement of the Constitution. We will be able to see more clearly than we could through an analysis of the policies governing the treatment of prisoners, or even the NSA wiretapping program, that the threat to our liberty derives not just from the unilateral excesses of President Bush, but also from policies that have been defended and continued by President Obama and embraced by the other branches of government, including the Supreme Court.7 All three branches

share in the responsibility for the abuses of the constitution that we confront in this age of terror

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153963)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:02 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

I was talking about the other article, you know the one that wasn't written by some hippie shitboomer

You know this "Rights fer TERRISTS are sacred ponies" shit is all flame right?

Read Schmitt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20153990)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:03 PM
Author: startling becky

I'm a fan of Schmitt--all modern day political concepts are secularized versions of theological concepts...and sovereign is he who decides on the exception

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20154019)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:04 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

yeah yeah yeah.

The important thing is that terrorists really do want to kill us all.

Sure, the government is using this as a power grab, who wouldn't?

That doesn't change the fact terrorists are still trying to kill us.

It's kind of the point of terrorism, to make the gov't apparatus clamp down, to make people hate it - the installation of fear.

We're in a war, if you give the enemy nightvision goggles, you support the enemy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20154044)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:06 PM
Author: startling becky

friend/enemy distinction, bro. that's what all politics is about these days, and in fact ever been.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20154071)



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Date: March 7th, 2012 11:07 PM
Author: Swollen Sapphire Rigpig

LOL, naive. Politics is like girls in high schools. The distinctions aren't so black and white.

I refer you to the film "Mean Girls", a timely meditation on the US and Saudi Arabia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#20154083)



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Date: August 3rd, 2012 11:09 AM
Author: Internet-worthy obsidian crotch

pwned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#21249044)



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Date: August 3rd, 2012 11:13 AM
Author: startling becky

explain what u mean

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1892561&forum_id=2#21249083)