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HLS JD vs Stanford JD/MS in Finance and Economics
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:18 AM
HLS has a long history of their graduates in finance.
Stanford has an MS degree in Management Science and Engineering with a concetration in Finance and Econ. Which I can complete with the JD in 3 years, for the same price as a JD.
If i know for sure I want to work in finance, is the H-bomb more powerful then this dual degree? I need to make a decision very soon. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:38 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:23 AM
you'd be better off doing an mba or some other masters |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:34 AM
Also, I prob would not be able to get into an equivalently good MBA program since I have unconventional and scattered work experiences.
Also I am in my mid 20's and just want to get school out of the way, definitely don't want to go through another application cycle (especially to find out I got accepted to lower tier MBA's with much less financial aid).
Also, SLS offered super generous fin aid. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:39 AM
i guess if it's stanford you can still get yourself a good job but it seems like a huge waste of time and energy. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:40 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:40 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:46 AM
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:46 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:49 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:56 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:02 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:08 PM
Just an intern so obv still learning. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:12 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM
Edit: didn't know you were already three years out. why are you still an intern? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:37 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:36 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:38 AM
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:38 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:40 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:42 AM
Although my UG degree is in Econ and math minor |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:59 AM
If you really just want to take courses, HLS allows you to cross register at HBS.
http://www.hbs.edu/mba/registrar/crossregistration/crossregistration-eligibility.html |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:02 PM
SLS, especially with the JD/MS, would allow me to take MUCH more finance courses. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:42 AM
Also it's not worth it to take out full loans anywhere, even hls. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:52 AM
do you really believe this? why? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:56 AM
Law school with debt closes more doors than it opens.
If the op goes to ls he will end up at a firm with no choice. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:05 PM
do you regret ls? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:08 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:55 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:57 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:57 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:00 PM
It's on the front of their financial aid page. All hls students make 160k and can easily pay off debt. Fucking vultures. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:58 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:01 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:03 PM
None of the finance jobs that hire lawyers out of law school pay enough for him to pay his loans. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:10 PM
HLS is going to make him take out back breaking loans, period. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:14 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:18 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:20 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:22 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:55 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:59 PM
at HLS I get the name, but my quant skills will deteriorate. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:08 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:16 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:19 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:26 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:08 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:16 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:21 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:25 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:33 PM
If he becomes a corporate lawyer for 5 years he has a slim shot, but at that point law school wont matter. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:38 PM
I also got a certificate in Financial engineering (it was a essentially a prep course for a Qaunt finance masters) so its not like I have no finance experience. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:41 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:03 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:05 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:41 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:46 AM
I also have networked and know a senior MD at a major bank and a couple HF managers. In that case a JD/MS in finance and econ from Stanford should be sufficient for them to hook it up, no? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:49 AM
You are just out of undergrad. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:51 AM
the senior MD at bank was close friend of my grandparents.
Although the senior MD's son runs a decently sized fund.
By the way, HF mangers and senior MD's exist, so its not ridiculous that they know and/or are related to people. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:52 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:57 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:01 PM
However since you will end up being a lawyer against your will in 3 years, go to sls where it's cheaper. It's a great law school. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:03 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:10 PM
Also probably wont get similar fin aid package or get in as good an MBA.
And I am just not about going through another app cycle. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:14 PM
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:17 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:18 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:26 PM
Plus, although he is not the best example, Fabrice Toure, the VP of GS whipping boy was a grad of S's MS&E
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:38 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:45 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:07 PM
i went to SLS during the boom years so i saw exactly how many people graduated and did non-law jobs. it was something in the range of ~15-20 out of a class of 180, but that includes people who did startups, non-profit, etc. if you limit it to conventional banking/finance/consulting, it was around 10. these people all went to top UGs and had the work experience you'd expect. consulting firms recruited at OCI but that's it. about 3-4 people got offers from that. i don't know how many interviewed. that gives you an idea of how tough it is, even during boom years. the problem is that you need a coherent and compelling story for why you went to law school if you didn't plan to use your degree. your answer isn't a good one. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:13 PM
Is that really that not a decent story?
Outside of the legal community, I dont think the general populous thinks attending SLS or HLS is such a dumb idea if your ultimate goal is not to practice law.
I also think anyone reading my resume would completely understand why I would attend Stanford to do a dual degree in law and finance given the fact I was offered a full ride and was otherwise graduating from a TTT. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:25 PM
also, we're not talking about the general populous here, we're talking about the biz community. why would they hire a JD who couldn't get an equivalent MBA and doesn't have the requisite finance background when they can hire a GSB/HBS grad who has both the requisite pre-MBA background and got the right degree? people don't look at resumes and think "let's hire the guy whose only way to get the stanford/harvard name is to go the JD route." they hire the real deal and the person with the best, most coherent resume.
so if finance is what you want to do, go get a good, solid pre-MBA job and then go get a MBA. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:30 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:42 AM
HF/PE recruiting is far more standardized now than it was. you can't look at current portfolio managers in their 50's who went to hls and say that it's the best path to get there. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:43 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:31 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:39 AM
Don't go to law school if you don't want to be a lawyer for the love of god. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:43 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:45 AM
Be prepared to be a lawyer, because that's what's going to happen after you graduate. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:47 AM
I expect to get a similar fin aid package from HLS |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:50 AM
As I recall HLS does not give grant money |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:46 AM
if you have a ttt pedigree than try to do the MS&E alone.
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:48 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:51 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:53 AM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:04 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:05 PM
S and H are equivalent schools. If S is giving you "generous" financial aid then tell H and they will likely match the package. Go to the one you like better.
Don't go to law school if you can't see yourself being a lawyer.
H's MBA program is more forgiving for letting in marginal joint degree 1L applicants than S.
Don't go to law school if you can't see yourself being a lawyer.
The "MS" in finance at S is a bullshit degree.
Don't go to law school if you can't see yourself being a lawyer. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:07 PM
Stanford is the only law school I know of with meaningful need based grants. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:12 PM
SLS was the exception. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:12 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:17 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:19 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:21 PM
Also asking wrasslers for money = access to capital. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:22 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:28 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:27 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:22 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:41 PM
law school is a horrible idea for the OP. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:44 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:48 PM
Assuming that I will definitely be enrolling at a LS this fall, should I do HLS or Stanford JD/MS in MS&E? Assume they give fin aid packages that are not materially different.
PLEASE DONT SAY DELAY AND APPLY TO MBA. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:48 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:51 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:52 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:00 PM
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:04 PM
"i'm not so un-ok with that" is a really bad basis on which to go to law school. there is a greater than 95% chance that you will be a lawyer for the rest of your career in some form if you do. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:11 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:15 PM
the problem is that you don't have the requisite, non-law background to transition. the JD won't give you the requisite background or connections. in terms of those who do successfully transition, those people didn't even need a JD to give them a boost and are rock stars that you have no shot against.
you seem obviously set in doing what you want, but i highly recommend you speak with some SLS and HLS alums who are 5-10 years out of school. i can guarantee that none of them will tell you go to law school given your goals. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:11 PM
Why dont you find out the pittance HLS offers you then ask us again? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:16 PM
you're going to be ROLLING in trader/quant offers after you cop dat HLS JD |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:21 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:31 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:21 PM
EDIT: Everyone I know who wanted to be a banker is. I haven't been out for very long. No one is buy side yet but that will change at some point soon. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 6:35 PM
Ita also generally easier to get a job at a bank than get into a t6 law school. If you had a 3.7+ from a decent ug (which most people at these schools do), you'll get a finance job, maybe not FICC at Goldman or Blackstone PE, but something. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:29 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:31 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:36 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:37 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:40 PM
For the record I would apply to the JD/MBA at Stanford, but the probability of me being admitted is very low, so the MS in MS&E is a backup (with the added benefit of being cheaper and less time) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:42 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 4:23 PM
Also, lol at your "law school admissions was grueling enough" reason for not applying to MBA. That path of least resistance mentality will get you nowhere successful in life, whether you're a lawyer or a business dood. Another 30-40 hours of essay writing is nothing in relation to your ENTIRE CAREER.
HTH |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 4:41 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 6:36 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 6:37 PM |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 7:21 PM
do you have a personal in? Personal contact + prestige of SLS or HLS --> 0L or 1L summer. The rest is up to you.
I am in favor of this because you are not doing the standard route, don't let the uncreative types on this here chatboard bring you down. Anything is doable (including losing 2 Billion dollars on a shitty speculative deal, which might make you question why do banking at all but NVM breh, nvm) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 9:36 PM |
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Date: May 17th, 2012 12:32 AM
father of a friend of mine is in house @ blackstone, and he cleans up. |