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Is Ivan the credited Karamazov brother or Smerdyakov?

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indigo masturbator
  05/26/12
Russians are the Niggers of Europe
Passionate Nighttime Gas Station
  05/26/12
They're not really that athletic.
indigo masturbator
  05/26/12
What does that make the Irish?
Nudist cream property alpha
  02/11/13
no, but thick skulled
marvelous impressive codepig
  08/21/16
Smerdyakov. Ivan is a priss.
Cruel-hearted electric messiness blood rage
  05/26/12
No one loves Smerdyakov.
indigo masturbator
  05/26/12
not even Dostoevsky
Cruel-hearted electric messiness blood rage
  05/26/12
http://www.infidels.org/kiosk/article42.html Possibly t...
fantasy-prone bateful volcanic crater meetinghouse
  05/27/12
Fyodor is TCK.
yellow razzle base
  02/11/13
how is this even a question? of course it's ivan. smerdyakov...
Mentally Impaired Nursing Home
  02/11/13
what's his moniker
Vibrant Self-absorbed Forum Jew
  07/28/19
alyosha
Glassy Excitant Principal's Office Kitty
  02/11/13
No fucking way.
Nudist cream property alpha
  02/11/13
CR dat dere acolyte of father zosima tip
vigorous coral shrine
  02/11/13
cr. but Ivan is XO. hence unhappy.
Violent electric furnace casino
  08/21/16
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Floppy henna ladyboy
  07/28/19
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slap-happy clown
  08/21/16
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Vibrant Self-absorbed Forum Jew
  07/28/19
alyosha retard
big organic girlfriend striped hyena
  07/28/19
Smerdyakov is what most XOers are. Ivan is what they aspi...
Violent electric furnace casino
  07/28/19
Alyosha, obviously How is this even a question, the author ...
up-to-no-good house-broken doctorate station
  07/28/19


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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:50 PM
Author: indigo masturbator



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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:51 PM
Author: Passionate Nighttime Gas Station

Russians are the Niggers of Europe

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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: indigo masturbator

They're not really that athletic.

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Date: February 11th, 2013 2:40 PM
Author: Nudist cream property alpha

What does that make the Irish?

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Date: August 21st, 2016 3:27 AM
Author: marvelous impressive codepig

no, but thick skulled

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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:54 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted electric messiness blood rage

Smerdyakov. Ivan is a priss.

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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:55 PM
Author: indigo masturbator

No one loves Smerdyakov.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#20772982)



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Date: May 26th, 2012 9:56 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted electric messiness blood rage

not even Dostoevsky

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Date: May 27th, 2012 2:21 AM
Author: fantasy-prone bateful volcanic crater meetinghouse

http://www.infidels.org/kiosk/article42.html

Possibly the best-known quote from the works of Dostoevsky is this:

"If God does not exist, everything is permitted."

You can see it, for example, on the title page of the self-designated "Dostoevsky Resource on the Net" by Christiaan Stange; and again in the Quotes section of Lu's Greco's Dostoevsky page; and yet again (possibly lifted intact from Stange's page) on Luba Petersen's Dostoevsky site.

This soundbite sentence has propagated widely into popular religious debate on the internet. Like any good soundbite, it neatly encapsulates the fears and hopes of a diverse audience: the believer's fear of, and the nonbeliever's hope for, a secular moral system.

There is only problem with this well-known quote:

Dostoevsky never wrote it!

I say this with confidence because I have searched the online text of the Constance Garnett translation of The Brothers Karamazov, examining every use of "God" and "exist" and "lawful" ("lawful" is how Garnett translates the word that others translate as "permitted").

The sentence does not appear, nor anything close to it. Nor does it appear in any of the other four Dostoevsky novels whose complete English texts are available online. The fact that a nonexistent text can be widely attributed to a famous author reveals the limitations of precomputer scholarship. The fact that I could so quickly prove it erroneous highlights the opportunities for modern scholars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#20774210)



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Date: February 11th, 2013 11:03 AM
Author: yellow razzle base

Fyodor is TCK.

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Date: February 11th, 2013 1:28 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Nursing Home

how is this even a question? of course it's ivan. smerdyakov is a weird little epileptic who tortures cats, and everyone hates him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#22614910)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 9:30 PM
Author: Vibrant Self-absorbed Forum Jew

what's his moniker

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Date: February 11th, 2013 2:25 PM
Author: Glassy Excitant Principal's Office Kitty

alyosha

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Date: February 11th, 2013 2:39 PM
Author: Nudist cream property alpha

No fucking way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#22615424)



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Date: February 11th, 2013 3:20 PM
Author: vigorous coral shrine

CR dat dere acolyte of father zosima tip

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#22615690)



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Date: August 21st, 2016 3:28 AM
Author: Violent electric furnace casino

cr. but Ivan is XO. hence unhappy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#31233699)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 10:16 PM
Author: Floppy henna ladyboy



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Date: August 21st, 2016 3:16 AM
Author: slap-happy clown



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Date: July 28th, 2019 9:24 PM
Author: Vibrant Self-absorbed Forum Jew



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Date: July 28th, 2019 9:29 PM
Author: big organic girlfriend striped hyena

alyosha retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#38602900)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 9:31 PM
Author: Violent electric furnace casino

Smerdyakov is what most XOers are.

Ivan is what they aspire to be.

Alyosha is what they ought to be (except quotemos -- that scum will always be Smerdyakov).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#38602913)



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Date: July 28th, 2019 10:18 PM
Author: up-to-no-good house-broken doctorate station

Alyosha, obviously

How is this even a question, the author spells it out pretty clearly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957470&forum_id=2#38603165)