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Seriously, how can I career change into IT
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:21 PM Author: razzle-dazzle faggotry persian I'm 30 years old, poli sci JD shithead in a deadend job.
Not engineering or programming. IT.
For example, I know a guy that manages the email servers for a nonprofit. Real cush, easy as shit gig. He doesn't have a STEM degree nor does he know how to do that programming or hardcore shit. He's just kinda good at computers.
How do I get into that racket? |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:23 PM Author: Effete partner trump supporter what's your dead end job? tech support guys at big law firms make decent money. 75k+. i imagine their supervisors do even better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883023) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:40 PM Author: razzle-dazzle faggotry persian Nonprofit paper pusher (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883184) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:03 PM Author: translucent dingle berry start looking at microsoft and cisco certifications (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883348) |
Date: June 13th, 2012 9:26 PM Author: Chest-beating background story IT is a really broad area man. do you want to develop software at google? do pricing and vendor analysis at mckinsey? fix laptops at best buy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883062) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:40 PM Author: razzle-dazzle faggotry persian Dude, did you even read my OP? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883182) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:44 PM Author: Chest-beating background story so you don't want to do programming or engineering. that still leaves a big area of jobs.
are you saying you want to be some sort of back office IT administration monkey focusing on one product or system? those guys make shit money and don't tend to develop transferable skills. their jobs are also easiest to offshore or outsource. |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:45 PM Author: razzle-dazzle faggotry persian Really? You mean like the IT help desk guys that every BIGLAW firm (or basically any large organization has)? Don't you always need someone on site for that kinda shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883220) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:52 PM Author: Chest-beating background story some companies/firms have onsite people, some farm it out to firms that have traveling reps. either way, it's monkey work that doesn't pay well. yes, they have onsite people to do things like install a new battery, but the guys telling you how to install windows are probably in india or indiana.
in both cases the pay is probably around $40k with shit benefits and no chance for advancement and no status within the firm. |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:53 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef So much wrong with this post.
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:54 PM Author: Chest-beating background story explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883295) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:57 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef There's so many opportunities in IT.
There are people who handle purchasing, whether for desktop stuff or mobile products that usually fall under the IT umbrella. There are project management guys who handle migrations, deployments, desk moves.
There are AV guy if a company is big on events/displays etc.
There are guys who manage infrastructure
Telecom, and so on
None of those roles can be outsourced really, as they require an on site presence. |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:00 PM Author: Chest-beating background story i'm well aware that there are a lot of opportunities in IT. i was specifically criticizing low-end shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883325) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:01 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef The trick is to find a technology company that decides to handle its stuff internally rather than farming work out to contractors. Software companies are best. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883338) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:02 PM Author: bistre cerebral kitty milk Not really. You can make bank as a contractor. Just roll your own health insurance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883343) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:05 PM Author: razzmatazz point and who is going to sponsor you to get those certifications without prior experience? do you have any idea what you're talking about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883353) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:05 PM Author: bistre cerebral kitty milk Yes
What is this sponsorship flame |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:07 PM Author: razzmatazz point are you going to answer the question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883363) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:08 PM Author: bistre cerebral kitty milk Wtf are you talking about w sponsorship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883365) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:09 PM Author: razzmatazz point LOL ok why don't you tell me what you know about IT contracting and how people get into the business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883368) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:10 PM Author: bistre cerebral kitty milk No thanks. Name some certs requiring sponsorship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883373) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:11 PM Author: razzmatazz point Well since I gotta head out I'll start with two you might've heard of and let you think about it and research the subject on your own: SAP, Oracle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883390) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:13 PM Author: bistre cerebral kitty milk LOL you don't need sponsorship for those. Just do SAP-approved training retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883404) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:14 PM Author: razzmatazz point Ok bro "just do SAP approved training"
and who is going to hire you as a contractor if you don't have the certifications for them? go find me a vendor that's willing to. |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:15 PM Author: bistre cerebral kitty milk You can get the certs by paying for training and taking tests. Why is this so difficult for you, FRIEND? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883426) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:19 PM Author: razzmatazz point Date: June 13th, 2012 10:15 PM Author: ,,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.
You can get the certs by paying for training and taking tests. Why is this so difficult for you, FRIEND?
Ok since you want to play retard flame I'll be bait for a few minutes, you get the certifications by a company sending you to SAP in one of their 3 locations (assuming you're in north america) and once you're there you complete the week long course and take the test. You don't just pay a sum of money and show up to their training facilities, a company that has a relationship with SAP's ERP system usually pays for you to go to SAP and get trained. I'm guessing you were a poli sci shithead and hate what you're doing right now? |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:21 PM Author: bistre cerebral kitty milk No, you can pay for approved training wo company sponsorship.
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:22 PM Author: razzmatazz point Date: June 13th, 2012 10:21 PM Author: ,,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.
No, you can pay for approved training wo company sponsorship.
Lol well if you really believe you can do something, maybe you can. |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:27 PM Author: bistre cerebral kitty milk Just admit that you were wrong. There are many approved training providers. They're expensive, but sponsorship is not required. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883514) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:28 PM Author: razzmatazz point in my career I've met 0 people that fit this description. Will I ever meet someone that pays 25k out of pocket to go to SAP training without a sponsorship and no promises of a contract from doing so? I don't know, maybe you'll be the first to do try it, let me know how it goes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883533) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:32 PM Author: bistre cerebral kitty milk I'm already set. With your tiny pink 72k NYC salary, you must know what you're talking about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883565) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:33 PM Author: razzmatazz point try seattle for a major software company bro. It ain't too bad out here for my age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883575) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:45 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef Desktop support is where it's at. Employable anywhere, great networking opportunities, and can't be outsourced. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883222) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:52 PM Author: Chest-beating background story lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883280) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:01 PM Author: aquamarine odious lay bbw (HVAC troll) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883336) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:52 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef This conflating of software development and information systems is really weird. I never hear programmers refer to their profession as IT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883281) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:53 PM Author: Chest-beating background story right right. i come from more of a business background so i lump it all together. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883286) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:42 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef I barely (BARELY) graduated high school, have zero college experience, and got hired at the IT department of a major company making 65k with benefits. At the age of 23.
Life is good my friend. |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:43 PM Author: razzle-dazzle faggotry persian fuck you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883205) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:45 PM Author: big glassy wagecucks do you live in san diego? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883223) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:46 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef NYC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883230) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:19 PM Author: thirsty misunderstood faggot firefighter hall At $65k/year, you'll never be able to retire in dignity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883456) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:22 PM Author: razzmatazz point get married. read about option trading. buy a house earlier rather than later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883467) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:42 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef Raises, bro. Plus I get a nice bonus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883679) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:07 PM Author: razzmatazz point i have a college degree in finance but learned programming languages as a hobby and got hired into IT managing finance software deployments, build, and application testing making 72k currently 23 years old.
shit can be done, just have to be actually passionate about doing it and no just doing it for the sake of doing it. |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:43 PM Author: Twisted Floppy Sneaky Criminal clown question breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883212) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:46 PM Author: soul-stirring dun new version double fault I support this meme. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883227) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:47 PM Author: Saffron Pit with a JD and no experience, quite honestly you're on the same level as any other random shmuck with a college degree
Get to know people, just like any other industry. The handful of people who had JDs and made the transitions all did it through connections and not pedigree.
If you're looking to stay away from the heavy duty technical work, there's still a number of roles out there - sales, management, project management, etc. Mostly these require prior experience in those areas even if not IT.
Managing e-mail servers sounds like a complete SHIT job though and not interesting nor well paid at all. IT is an extremely broad field and managing e-mail servers sounds liek the shittiest of the shitty. |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:58 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef it's mind numbing work. I worked the PM shift before and we managed servers because everyone else had gone home. Most mundane part of the day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883829) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:01 PM Author: Saffron Pit if you want an IT job to be at least somewhat interesting - stick to jobs which are project or applications based and NOT one where you're fixing other people's problems all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883856) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:03 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef a large enough company would allow you to do all of that.
I do general troubleshooting and project based stuff. |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:04 PM Author: Saffron Pit yea i do a bit of both. I like the project stuff way more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883888) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:08 PM Author: chartreuse cruise ship roast beef I don't like project stuff because a lot of it involves relying on other teams within IT. Like we we began rolling out Windows 7, we found out desktop engineering created a SPS image. It's still giving us headaches. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883925) |
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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:10 PM Author: Chest-beating background story i think PP is involved in stuff a little bit more sophisticated than rolling out a new desktop OS
edit: meant to respond to diabolical |