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Why do public sector employees get multimillion $ pensions?
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:43 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Seems odd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018790) |
Date: July 5th, 2012 12:44 AM Author: Hateful Excitant Kitchen They make less money than private sector (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018792) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:45 AM Author: jade jewess my wife works as a ADA and makes 39k a year. The state contributes 6% of her base pay into her pension. Is she going to be a millionaire? No. Then cops who give her shitty cases makes 100k+ a year with all their overtime and the state contributes 15% of their TOTAL end of year salary to their pensions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018804) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:51 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary This is because the cops have their act together with the thuggish union tactics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018841) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:51 AM Author: jade jewess this. i love how rick scott and scott walker are shitting all over them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018849) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:09 AM Author: marvelous wild indian lodge scourge upon the earth ADAs are also some of the dumbest lawyers there are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018992) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:49 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary It seems that many of their jobs are equivalent to a minimum wage job in the private sector. Others are just low wage. They mostly also work far fewer days and hours and have unheard of job security. I really dont think there is some gap there that needs to be met with a pension. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018836) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:51 AM Author: jade jewess DAs and AGs in most states start at 1/2 to 1/3td of what these employees could get in the private market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018845) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:54 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Like what, biglaw? The two jobs arent really comparable in any way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018868) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:54 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford yeah, the guy must be running a low-iq schtick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018871) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:59 AM Author: jade jewess Wrong. In Orlando, even the small 10 person firms are starting new associates at around 100k/yr, but the PD and state attorneys are starting at 39k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018916) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:08 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Ok. The two jobs still arent comparable and you are discussing only a tiny fraction of the public sector. Public sector attorneys might be kind of an exception.
Also, less than 20% of all law grads are able to land a 100k job. Im betting most of the 39k ADAs didnt. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:50 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019298) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 9:31 AM Author: light pervert gay wizard stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019900) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:09 AM Author: marvelous wild indian lodge scourge upon the earth They couldn't get much more in the private sector because they're idiots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018997) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 9:28 AM Author: Navy gaping toaster Any lawyer who actually managed to get a job should be grateful and stfu. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019892) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:07 AM Author: Soul-stirring locus in my state they work 40 hours/week. 12 sick days per year, 12 vacation days per year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018971) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:52 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford flame.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DfPT_YECDbA/TZJX5gzGdyI/AAAAAAAAD-U/R75VubutLAE/s1600/us-public-vs-private-full-time-teachers-average-incomes-2007-08.png |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:55 AM Author: jade jewess Charter schools (the massive number of "private schools" that have been added recently) haven't been around nearly as long enough to have established teachers that cost more. So you're averaging new teaches vs the average of a group of people who are mostly older and more experienced. I can't imagine why the latter group would be paid more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018872) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:56 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford low-iq schtick? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018888) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:58 AM Author: jade jewess Address my point faggot, the charter school salaries being averaged there are not for teaches with 30+ years of experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018905) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:02 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford link, moron. where's your data? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018937) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:04 AM Author: jade jewess I don't need data to explain that charter schools are staffed by younger teachers who don't have as much experience. I represent these schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018953) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:06 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford So? We have data now. Public schools, the vast majority of which aren't charter schools, pay their teachers more than private schools do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018964) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:09 AM Author: jade jewess And these teachers have more experience than the teachers at private schools. One of the big things private schools do is try to get teachers to sign these unenforceable noncompete agreements for 5 years -- because they're afraid after 2-3, the teachers will have enough experience to go work for the government. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018991) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:11 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford Why should experience matter? Aren't results more important? Because someone has worked at a public school for 20 years, he's entitled to higher pay? Is that your argument? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019007) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:14 AM Author: jade jewess Yes. Because that is how our society is structured. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019040) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:17 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford in the government sector and other rent-seeking institutions, that's how society is structured. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019060) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:17 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Lol no...that is how the unions have managed to structure the public sector for the benefit of their more senior members (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019065) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:19 AM Author: jade jewess You have zero real world experience. Enjoy jacking off to your theories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019077) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:20 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019091) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:22 AM Author: jade jewess I am ABD in econ, faggot. I know what rent-seeking is, it isn't an uncommon word you should feel a need to define. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019099) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:24 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "that is how society is structured"
maybe by rent-seeking retards like yourself. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:25 AM Author: jade jewess no, to ensure we had a fucking middle class that could consume products and services that drive our economy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019132) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:26 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford Date: July 5th, 2012 1:25 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,.
no, to ensure we had a fucking middle class that could consume products and services that drive our economy |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:26 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford *has an ABD in economics!* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019144) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:27 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford yfwgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019146) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:30 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Cool. So govt jobs are just handouts so that a few people can have nice lives. Finally we get an answer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019170) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:35 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019192) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:24 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary When people dont pull their weight, they are let go. They end up making less money. They change careers. Businesses fail. Demand changes. Notice that pensions dont exist.
But not in the public sector. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:25 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019122) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:25 AM Author: jade jewess You've never actually worked in corporate America have you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019125) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:26 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford you have never worked in competitive corporate America free of rent extraction by libtards like yourself, have you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019138) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:28 AM Author: jade jewess I worked as a financial analyst on behalf of several F100 companies, yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019154) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:30 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford And so your clients paid you based on your longevity, and not value, correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019167) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:30 AM Author: jade jewess longevity was inherent in my value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019172) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:33 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford so they paid you based on longevity or value? what was more important to them? if you provided no value, but had longevity, do you think they would still pay you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019181) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:36 AM Author: jade jewess I think, if they had a younger guy who they predicted could produce the same amount of value, they would still hire me based on my longevity even though I cost more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019194) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:38 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford wrong. the younger guy carries a risk, which increases his transaction costs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019206) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:39 AM Author: jade jewess how am I wrong, that is exactly what I said. my longevity = more CYA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019211) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:44 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford your longevity lowers your risk premium, but you're still paid based on your marginal value to the firms. that's unlike the rent-seeking public sector. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019257) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:26 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Yes, I have. Apparently you worked in some bubble of inefficiency. Nice gig if you can get it - until it falls out from under your feet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019140) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:30 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019171) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:57 AM Author: indigo metal coldplay fan stead Low IQ schtick? Public school teachers have to be certified to teach public school, which means they have to meet certain requirements and standards, pass teaching exams, etc. Private school teachers can simply have a BA in Basketweaving and still get a job at a private school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018893) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:59 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Oh my. Lets come up with some silly pieces of paper like certs and masters degrees. That'll show em! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018911) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:02 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford 1) Straw man.
2) Retard? Explain the consistently better results that private schools produce, even with students from the same socioeconomic backgrounds.
3) Why should requirements and rent-seeking licenses mattter? So if you pass licensing tests, that entitles you to a higher compensation regardless of the results you produce? |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:03 AM Author: jade jewess 1) See your first word in your answer to 2)
2) These schools kick back the poor performers in lower SES to the public schools. Taking the cream of the low SES crop will always result in better outcomes.
3) Agreed. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:07 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford Wrong. See the DC voucher study. Private schools produce better results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018972) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:10 AM Author: jade jewess What DC voucher study? The four studies DOE has done have shown no improvement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019005) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:11 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford http://ies.ed.gov/ncee/pubs/20094050/
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:14 AM Author: jade jewess From the page: "No achievement impacts were observed for five other subgroups of students, including those who entered the Program with relative academic disadvantage. " (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019035) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:15 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford you're low-iq schtick, correct?
"After 3 years, there was a statistically significant positive impact on reading test scores, but not math test scores. Overall, those offered a scholarship were performing at statistically higher levels in reading—equivalent to 3.1 months of additional learning—but at similar levels in math compared to students not offered a scholarship." |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:17 AM Author: jade jewess You're using this to refute my charge that they're not just taking the cream of the crop and claiming success. I am showing kids of low SES were not helped by charter schools. If you take the best and brightest and compare their test scores to average kids, their scores are higher but it isn't because of the new group. Individually, the kids haven't changed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019061) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:18 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. THEY'RE COMPARING THE SAME STUDENTS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019072) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:20 AM Author: jade jewess WRONG. "No achievement impacts were observed for . . . those who entered the Program with relative academic disadvantage. "
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:21 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "After 3 years, there was a statistically significant positive impact on reading test scores, but not math test scores. Overall, those offered a scholarship were performing at statistically higher levels in reading—equivalent to 3.1 months of additional learning—but at similar levels in math compared to students not offered a scholarship." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019092) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:22 AM Author: jade jewess "No achievement impacts were observed for . . . those who entered the Program with relative academic disadvantage. "
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:24 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "After 3 years, there was a statistically significant positive impact on reading test scores, but not math test scores. Overall, those offered a scholarship were performing at statistically higher levels in reading—equivalent to 3.1 months of additional learning—but at similar levels in math compared to students not offered a scholarship." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019115) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:26 AM Author: jade jewess "No achievement impacts were observed for . . . those who entered the Program with relative academic disadvantage. "
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:27 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "After 3 years, there was a statistically significant positive impact on reading test scores, but not math test scores. Overall, those offered a scholarship were performing at statistically higher levels in reading—equivalent to 3.1 months of additional learning—but at similar levels in math compared to students not offered a scholarship." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019151) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 8:44 AM Author: purple slap-happy telephone LOL you got PWNED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019834) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 10:07 AM Author: charcoal free-loading trailer park Your link only says the cream of the crop improved during that time period, tard. It doesn't make your point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019970) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 10:20 AM Author: purple slap-happy telephone I agree. I'm synced with that moron; I'm not him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21020026) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:54 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford wrong.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/minnecon/benefits_12983_image001.png |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:56 AM Author: jade jewess That looks only at benefits, not total compensation. This just shows that public sector employers have added benefits, it does not show if total total compensation is higher. My guess is private employers added to salary instead of benefits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018887) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:57 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford oh, here you go libtard.
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:02 AM Author: jade jewess Government workers, especially now, tend to have college degrees and above. Most of the non college degree work, like garbage and maintenance, has been privatized. Show me studies where government attorneys, doctors, and scientists are making more in total compensation than their private industry counterparts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018933) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:05 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "Show me studies where government attorneys, doctors, and scientists are making more in total compensation than their private industry counterparts."
Show me studies where they're both doing the same jobs. One job is teaching, which is directly comparable. As you've seen, public school teachers are paid more than private ones. What other jobs can you name where they're both providing the same benefits to their employers? |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:07 AM Author: jade jewess Faggot this branch of the thread is dealing with public workers in general, not just teachers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018973) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:09 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford so name other jobs that are directly comparable. you can't compare a biglawyer, who can generate millions for his firm, with a small-town attorney. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018999) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:12 AM Author: jade jewess Okay. The antitrust and state false claims attorneys in the Attorney General Offices make between 50-60k and probably bring in around a million each in a bad year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019020) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:13 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford supply. demand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019030) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:15 AM Author: jade jewess Use that to explain why big law salaries haven't dropped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019044) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:16 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford supply. demand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019051) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:20 AM Author: jade jewess (dumbass) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019087) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:21 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford (retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019096) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:23 AM Author: jade jewess (lives with parents and quotes Ayn Rand) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019105) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:24 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford (rent-seeking libtard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019121) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 6:18 PM Author: Amethyst appetizing plaza gaming laptop cr. consumer fraud guys too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21022622) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:11 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary What % of the public sector is lawyers, docs, and scientists?
Anyway for lawyers, they obviously work in govt to escape the hours and pressure for a drastically different lifestyle. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:55 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford (propagandist)
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:44 AM Author: jade jewess Most don't, only first responders who claim a "special" risk premium. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018793) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 8:36 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Lol at this. The risk premium is why these guys aren't working in a factory or struggling in some shit job with a useless degree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019822) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 12:57 AM Author: laughsome international law enforcement agency round eye Shitlibs /thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018896) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:04 AM Author: Puce ceo whorehouse Because contrary to popular belief, a salaried person's income is not based on their contributions and difficulty of work (although there is a correlation), but rather politics (unions, workplace politics), what everyone else is paying similar positions, and what decisions maker deem important enough to pay a premium salary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21018954) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:08 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "Because contrary to popular belief, a salaried person's income is not based on their contributions"
in a competitive environment, you're wrong. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:17 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut you're an idiot if you really think salaries have anything but a week correlation with value (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019057) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:18 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford silicon valley companies pay their engineers based on longevity, and not value, correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019068) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:19 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut I don't fucking know. Pick an area where salary info is more public if you want to argue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019080) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:22 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford silcon valley companies advertise their jobs with salary information. you can see their average compensation on salary.com. what's your argument, now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019103) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:23 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut what on earth are you arguing? just elaborate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019107) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:25 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford me: "in a competitive environment, you're wrong."
you: "you're an idiot if you really think salaries have anything but a week correlation with value"
explain. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:28 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut Would you consider baseball salaries to mimic value? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019158) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 10:09 AM Author: charcoal free-loading trailer park Explanation: Competitive environments are rare in practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019975) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:17 AM Author: Puce ceo whorehouse Not every job is finance or sales where your salary or bonus is directly related to what you bring in. Vast majority of jobs out there are considered "cost centers"
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:20 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford *sets up a straw man*
*attacks the straw man* |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:21 AM Author: Puce ceo whorehouse Not sure where you're getting at. Elaborate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019093) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:21 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford An administrative employee at Google provides no value to Google's engineers, correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019098) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:22 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut Obviously incorrect. What's the point? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019104) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:28 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford His point was that most employees are cost centers. Ask him to elaborate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019155) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:25 AM Author: Puce ceo whorehouse Did I every say that?
Bro, have you even ever worked at all before? At an F500 or small business? There are droves of dumbasses who get paid pretty well for the little work they do due to their connections with upper management and perceptions that they're useful, as well as droves of peons (see - asians) who work hard day in and day out, get shit on, get a lot of their work unnoticed, and don't speak up for themselves
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:29 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "There are droves of dumbasses who get paid pretty well for the little work they do due to their connections with upper management and perceptions that they're useful"
And in competitive environments like Silicon Valley, they're quickly fired or laid off. See HP, RIM, Dell, etc. In government? Not so much. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:30 AM Author: jade jewess You're wrong. There are not enough engineers in SV so even the incompetent ones are hired. Supply and demand you fucking idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019168) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:34 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford wtf? nice straw man. going along with your straw man, if more competent programmers come along, who do you think will get the boot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019187) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:36 AM Author: jade jewess ITT is someone who doesn't understand computer science projects. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019198) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:39 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut No we don't dumbass. That's why we're using other examples. You're trying to make an economic argument using a knowledge base of a particular industry that the vast majority of people are not familiar with.
This is like me telling Krugman he doesn't understand supply and demand because he doesn't know how Yu-Gi-Oh trading cards work. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:47 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford protip: you're arguing with the wrong person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019274) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:43 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford silicon valley firms don't give incompetent programmers the boot? google doesn't give engineers a probation period to prove their worth? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019250) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 6:20 PM Author: Amethyst appetizing plaza gaming laptop the point is this happens inconsistently and sometimes not at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21022633) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:30 AM Author: Puce ceo whorehouse Most jobs aren't Silicon Valley (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019169) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:32 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "competitive environments"
there are many. not so many in the public sector, though. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:37 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut There are always inefficiencies. I don't know exactly how silicon valley works, but I'm guessing you get paid based on the success of your project or your last project.
So, if you create the iphone, you're going to get a big bump in pay because according to you, you've created "value."
But that's a juvenile way of looking at things. You don't really know what engineer was doing what developing the iphone. It's almost impossible to know if they were the weak link on the team or the star. On every successful project there are people who are much worse at their job than those on the losing projects - but there's absolutely no way for anyone to determine that value.
Moreover, the engineer of the ipod isn't really that much better at his job than the engineer of the sandisk player. They both function the same way. However, the ipod had slicker marketing behind it, and it had a cultural wave that bought into it. Yet, if both engineers walked into a firm - the ipod would get paid more despite doing the exact same job. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:42 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "the engineer of the ipod isn't really that much better at his job than the engineer of the sandisk player"
you're flame, right? |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:45 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut So you think every aspect of the ipod is noticeably superior to every engineering aspect of the zune?
And if true, you also think that every engineer who worked on the sandisk and zune is inferior to every engineer who worked on the ipod?
Because they all more or less get the same line on the resume. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:47 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford implying that engineers are interchangeable makes you a moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019272) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:27 AM Author: jade jewess Have you ever worked in corporate America? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019148) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:27 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford Have you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019153) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:29 AM Author: jade jewess Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019162) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:17 AM Author: olive supple hairy legs foreskin They make a lot less. In my state government attorneys start at $45k, whereas they could easily get $70k+ in the private sector (plus private sector benefits like health insurance, time off, 401k matching, etc.). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019066) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:21 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Most law grads cant even get jobs, much less 70k. Also not sure what you are smoking but public sector gets better benefits and way more time off.
But lets set all that aside. Why doesnt the public sector just raise salaries? Why do they do pensions instead? |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:24 AM Author: jade jewess Because raises can be taken away by politicians who run on doing that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019120) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:22 AM Author: crimson site chad Because labor captured capital in the public sector. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019100) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:26 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut This is true for a lot of jobs. For whatever reason xoxo hates on teachers who have 4 year degrees and make 50k on average.
Meanwhile people driving the subway are making 70k and getting fat pensions because they took a day to learn how to run a million dollar machine. |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:31 AM Author: jade jewess are these econjobrumors tards? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019176) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:37 AM Author: Elite parlour generalized bond it's the same mentally ill pumo who's been spamming xo for over a year now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019202) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:45 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut What did I say that would make me sound mentally ill? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019261) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:46 AM Author: Elite parlour generalized bond not you, the guy you're arguing with. he's literally obsessed to the point of mental illness with posts like these. he will argue for hours on end about the free market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019269) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:50 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford oh, great. refute one point and i will leave immediately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019300) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:52 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford *is ignorant about the discussion*
*resorts to ad hominem attacks* |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:41 AM Author: Dun arousing stage personal credit line Multi-million pension?? LOL. The average gov worker in my state gets maybe $15k/year in retirement, AFTER working 30 years in gov. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019229) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:46 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/mh-city-pensions-costing-taxpayers-millions-of-dollars-20110918,0,4658212.story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019266) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:47 AM Author: jade jewess This wouldn't be possible if the state staffed the call center at a level that didn't allow overtime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019276) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:48 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford ask rent-seeking government employees and the politicians who serve them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019285) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:53 AM Author: jade jewess this is the product btw of reptile Jeb Bush.
"Cities had long received money from the state for insurance policies sold within their city limits. The money was used to offset municipal pension costs for police and firefighters.
In 1999, in his first act as governor, Bush signed a bill that made that money contingent on improving benefits for first-responders. The Republican governor had promised to back the bill after winning the endorsement of the Florida Police Benevolent Association and Florida Professional Firefighters Association.
The law also stated that any increase in police officers' and firefighters' pension contributions must buy them greater benefits.
Bush's predecessor, Democrat Lawton Chiles, had vetoed a similar bill in 1998, citing the potential cost." |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:54 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/06/union-targets-mitt-romney-in-spanish-language-florida-ad.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019344) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:57 AM Author: jade jewess LOL!!!! You're objecting to what you call speech when a corporation does it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019364) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:59 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford wtf? we're arguing about rent extraction. why do you keep moving the goal post? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019394) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:55 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford http://online.wsj.com/article/AP83c3c4636942419992f2069fb6506376.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019347) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:56 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford http://www.unions.org/home/union-blog/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019360) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 8:39 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Or, you know, they could just pay a reasonable rate for a call center employee and no pension. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019827) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 6:21 PM Author: Amethyst appetizing plaza gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21022642) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:48 AM Author: jade jewess "Scores of South Florida city employees, particularly police and firefighters, have recently retired in their mid to late 40s or early 50s with six-figure pensions, the result of generous pay and benefits packages that are now costing taxpayers tens of millions of dollars a year."
again, this is a result of the special risk premium. if society didn't fetishize these people, it wouldn't happen |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 8:43 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary Lol at this. The risk premium is why these guys aren't working in factories for minimum wage, or unemployed with a shit degree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019831) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:50 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut *Reads one article two months ago about a chimp dragging a man under a fence and carrying him two miles*
*Makes thread asking why chimps always drag men under fences* |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:53 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford "Scores of South Florida city employees, particularly police and firefighters, have recently retired in their mid to late 40s or early 50s with six-figure pensions, the result of generous pay and benefits packages that are now costing taxpayers tens of millions of dollars a year." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019323) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:54 AM Author: Cobalt national juggernaut so less than 100 cops in one state have pensions that will pay them around $2 million (the average salary for a big year partner) over the course of 20 years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019342) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:58 AM Author: scarlet godawful station halford there are many abuses.
how many links do you want? |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 1:49 AM Author: Stimulating fishy gunner the first 10 posts in this thread may be the dumbest 10 posts ever made on any site in the history of posts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019291) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 10:01 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21019956) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 10:47 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21020113) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 10:55 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21020141) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 3:48 PM Author: Sepia sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21021785) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 4:36 PM Author: Sepia sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21021989) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 4:43 PM Author: red self-absorbed meetinghouse Deferred compensation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21022031) |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 4:44 PM Author: Comical jet casino queen of the night Public Employee Unions = Not Dumb
rest of us : Dumb |
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Date: July 5th, 2012 6:03 PM Author: Sepia sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21022530) |
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Date: July 7th, 2012 1:32 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21032693) |
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Date: July 7th, 2012 1:55 AM Author: Stubborn blathering center ape they pay into it, like an IRA. Employer doubles down. Bill goes to the Feds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21032836) |
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Date: July 24th, 2012 9:00 AM Author: Sepia sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21161387) |
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Date: July 24th, 2012 1:22 PM Author: Sepia sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1986594&forum_id=2#21162492) |