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David Foster Wallace on Elizabeth Wurtzel... 180
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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:20 PM Author: cream provocative stead "One of his best short stories is about Elizabeth Wurtzel. After being rejected by the Prozac Nation author, Wallace wrote the 1998 story "The Depressed Person," basing the title character – the most unpleasant person on Earth – on her."
Here is the piece itself:
http://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/HarpersMagazine-1998-01-0059425.pdf |
Date: January 6th, 2013 7:50 PM Author: Alcoholic sexy base ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380409) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 7:58 PM Author: cream provocative stead yw brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380470) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:01 PM Author: magenta rehab pistol There were actually friendly IRL IIRC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#22380489) |
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Date: November 7th, 2015 10:12 AM Author: Dull theatre This is true. Franzen introduced them, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#29129865) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 5:47 AM Author: cream provocative stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580741) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:05 AM Author: Smoky Stage Dysfunction Jesus. That is literally unreadable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580754) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:13 AM Author: White Yapping Station Sweet Tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580762) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:21 AM Author: cream provocative stead and yet if it were poasted on XO it would have 90,000 blank bumps and you'd be responsible for half of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580773) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:29 PM Author: useless theater trump supporter LOL, no. MOAR like "tl;dr...DING!fag" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581914) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM Author: cream provocative stead (xo 2007 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581958) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:32 PM Author: racy metal roommate Are there any really good zings though? I read like 2 pages before my eyes glazed over, and it just seemed to be a rant about an insecure girl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581935) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:36 PM Author: cream provocative stead Of course there are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581961) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM Author: racy metal roommate ...could you quote some? I'm not saying you're wrong. I want to see them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581972) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:23 PM Author: racy metal roommate Even the formatting is awful. Dense text, big paragraphs, and every other line ends with a hyphenated word. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581876) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM Author: at-the-ready travel guidebook lay is he a good writer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580758) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:11 AM Author: amber up-to-no-good point yes, and this is a 180 piece (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580759) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM Author: at-the-ready travel guidebook lay last time i tried to read his books they were full of endnotes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580768) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:18 AM Author: amber up-to-no-good point sorry for your loss (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580769) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM Author: at-the-ready travel guidebook lay thank you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580775) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM Author: Smoky Stage Dysfunction I am desirous to describe the stimied, and unrequited, curious feelings of affection that once were had by a person resembling something like me. They were ostensibly about a female, albeit a depressed one and it's unclear if her pater familias was even kind to her at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580770) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:22 AM Author: amber up-to-no-good point oh yes, such big words in this story. don't hurt your widdle head, anon. maybe go back to posting about arrow or blacks or whatever until the pain goes away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580774) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:23 AM Author: cream provocative stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580777) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM Author: Smoky Stage Dysfunction Its fucking terrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580780) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:25 AM Author: amber up-to-no-good point well, go back to game of thrones, then, bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580781) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:27 PM Author: Bipolar alpha crackhouse Ladies and gentlemen, the only-slightly-above-average literary mind! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581896) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:01 AM Author: Soul-stirring Effete Athletic Conference Nursing Home ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310543) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:12 AM Author: White Yapping Station Sweet Tailpipe Rate the quality of writing of the OP ITT
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2842172&mc=9&forum_id=2 |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:16 AM Author: at-the-ready travel guidebook lay 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580766) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:20 AM Author: White Yapping Station Sweet Tailpipe ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580772) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM Author: cream provocative stead no, ty friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580778) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:24 AM Author: White Yapping Station Sweet Tailpipe for what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580779) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:26 AM Author: cream provocative stead for setting up that 180 i guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580783) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:28 AM Author: amber up-to-no-good point by the way, i never bought that this was about wurtzel. i always figured it was mostly about himself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580784) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:32 AM Author: cream provocative stead nevermind that it repeatedly uses feminine pronouns and the subject of the cartoons in the article look exactly like her. and that a major magazine matter of factly stated it was about her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580789) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:34 AM Author: amber up-to-no-good point i mean "about" in a fairly broad sense. e.g. if i wrote a story about a paedomorphic female who posted on a racist law board, it could still be "about" me. you know?
and lol at believing rolling stone; it's 2015. |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:36 AM Author: cream provocative stead 2012, actually.
and you seem dumb. |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:41 AM Author: amber up-to-no-good point i really don't. if i seem that way to you, you must be looking at things wrong. i suggest you improve that, friend, and come back to me when you have. i'm sure you'll gain more from talking to me then. shalom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27580809) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 7:44 AM Author: cream provocative stead i see your point, but DFW was literally famous for pouring himself into random, banal shit. i don't think an article eviscerating Wurtzel is "about him", at least not to the extent you seem to suggest. she just happens to be where one of his darts landed.
actually, this piece may be more of a prophecy than anything. it could be argued that it is a preemptive response to the 21st century assent of the intolerable, self-absorbed shrew. |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:34 PM Author: amber up-to-no-good point i mean it's called "the depressed person" and he was clinically depressed. that seems like a decent start to an argument that it was first-personal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581947) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:41 PM Author: cream provocative stead except he was depressed for entirely different reasons (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582001) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:43 PM Author: amber up-to-no-good point that's possible, but i find it difficult to believe he didn't see snatches of himself in the character, or at least wonder if he was similar deep down. in fact, NOT to do so would be incredibly un-self-aware and un-anxious by his standards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582014) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:20 PM Author: cream provocative stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581849) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:22 PM Author: useless theater trump supporter Seems like a typical fgt response to rejection. No wonder the talentless hack blew himself away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581864) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:28 PM Author: Violet motley principal's office gaming laptop Seems like he would have been awful to be around IRL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581909) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:37 PM Author: Smoky Stage Dysfunction At least he apparently realized it and killed self (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581971) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:38 PM Author: claret fragrant gas station mood yet they call this a selfish act. why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581977) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM Author: amber up-to-no-good point franzen RUSHING to typewriter to crank out "Breakthrough: Realized DFW's Suicide was an Act of Grace" at 5wpm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581992) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:52 PM Author: Smoky Stage Dysfunction 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582087) |
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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:22 PM Author: Smoky Stage Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587886) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:39 PM Author: Violet motley principal's office gaming laptop I find DFW fanboys tend to be the most insufferable type of hipster neckbeard toolbags. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27581985) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:44 PM Author: cream provocative stead i'm certainly no hipster neckbeard toolbag, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582027) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:46 PM Author: amber up-to-no-good point maybe he's thinking of tao lin fanboys or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582046) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 12:47 PM Author: Maniacal jew I actually feel the opposite. Not a fan of his writing at all but I think I'd get along well with him IRL and he seems like a good dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27582048) |
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Date: March 31st, 2015 12:24 PM Author: Fuchsia public bath feces guess we know who won that one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#27587898) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 12:59 AM Author: orange erotic macaca I always thought that was his most overrated piece of work.
My favorite of his works is "Lyndon," published in Girl with Curious Hair. |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:00 AM Author: Lavender shaky church building hunting ground i can't bear his fiction, technically it's good but it's too controlled, the nonfiction is so much better in my opinion (which I know I share with "guy in your MFA class" twitter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310537) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:04 AM Author: orange erotic macaca I don't for the life of me understand the whole "I like DFW's nonfiction better" camp. Everyone I meet says that and I always think they just can't appreciate good fiction with ambiguity.
I mean his nonfiction is ok I think. I like consider the lobster and tense present.
But Girl with Curious Hair? Come on now. It was fantastic. |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:08 AM Author: Lavender shaky church building hunting ground I like Martin Amis and Robert Stone so maybe the emotional nuance of DFW's work is lost ofon me. For me even though his nonfiction is formulaic (it all rises from blips of cognitive dissonance--rage to self-righteousness--to a really bogus epiphany) it's appealing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310609) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:10 AM Author: orange erotic macaca His nonfiction as the same appeal as Adam Sandler slowly losing his temper at the golf ball that wouldn't go to its home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310625) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:12 AM Author: Lavender shaky church building hunting ground ha, that's a pretty good description... but I think it's looser and has more feeling because of it. Did you read his EW piece on the Adult Video News awards or the Iowa State Fair? Those are pretty good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310632) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:16 AM Author: orange erotic macaca yeah I liked the one on the Iowa State Fair.
I'm just a fiction reader at heart. And I like work that takes risks and is hit or miss. I respect writers who experiment and fail. |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:18 AM Author: Lavender shaky church building hunting ground Maybe I'm not. I switched to nonfiction. I like ideas more than people, I guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310664) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:19 AM Author: orange erotic macaca fiction has bigger ideas though
Seriously, read "Lyndon." It's my favorite of all of DFW's stories. My Appearance if good too. |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:23 AM Author: Lavender shaky church building hunting ground I used to think so, but I feel like the genre's been exhausted. Maybe I'm looking at it in too political a way, but I feel like all the interesting experimentation has been crowded out by SJW politics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310709) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:26 AM Author: salmon 180 hairy legs mental disorder The issue is excessive experimentation unbounded by standards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310730) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:27 AM Author: Lavender shaky church building hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153812&forum_id=2#28310734) |
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Date: July 12th, 2015 1:07 AM Author: Burgundy histrionic sanctuary DFW's goat work: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/playmagazine/20federer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 |