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Girl: "What kind of law do you practice?" You, biglawyer: ____

What do you say in response? I normally say "corporate ...
At-the-ready drab cumskin lettuce
  04/21/13
i would translate. something like, "when two companies...
diverse snowy boistinker regret
  04/21/13
Are you talking to a 5yo
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  04/22/13
The preferred term is "victims rights"
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  04/21/13
"I fight for the freedoms of others"
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  04/21/13
been having this problem a lot...
bateful market
  04/21/13
Right, so what do you do?
At-the-ready drab cumskin lettuce
  04/21/13
just say lawyer, if they are a lay person they won't care.
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  04/21/13
So when a girl asks "what type of law do you practice&q...
At-the-ready drab cumskin lettuce
  04/21/13
oh sorry, misread original post. Just say you're a litiga...
Blue electric location toaster
  04/21/13
most people don't know what a litigator is.
diverse snowy boistinker regret
  04/21/13
exactly
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a person asking what type absolutely does you underestimate...
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Ever?
Thriller dilemma corn cake
  04/21/13
Not under any circumstances breh. I mean, I'm still a bigla...
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  04/21/13
"Did you see Michael Clayton?"
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  04/21/13
"No"
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  04/21/13
"What kind of nurse are you?"
Bistre Sweet Tailpipe Electric Furnace
  04/21/13
"Orthopedic Lawyer"
well-lubricated juggernaut
  04/21/13
lol, this.
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  04/22/13
"Mafia criminal law"
Vivacious office
  04/21/13
nautical
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  04/21/13
"Master of Space Law"
Curious senate
  04/21/13
IP. or PI. which ever is the good one
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  04/21/13
"I sit in an office and post a racist online chatroom.&...
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  04/21/13
...
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"i dont really practice. that's why im not any good&quo...
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International Law. But in all seriousness, just pick a case...
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  04/21/13
how many 180s were you expecting for this poast, brother?
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  04/21/13
A lot when I had the idea. Then as I was writing I realized...
Tantric Hairraiser Menage Hairy Legs
  04/21/13
it's still pretty decent bro. i smirked at least.
navy temple mad-dog skullcap
  04/21/13
i thought it was good. i took the flame route below. didnt g...
Insanely creepy aphrodisiac whorehouse mad cow disease
  04/22/13
"I do cutting edge work in commercial litigation. It's ...
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  04/21/13
awful
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  04/21/13
got anything better you fucking pumo?
Insanely creepy aphrodisiac whorehouse mad cow disease
  04/22/13
if i overheard you say this i'd give you a wedgie.
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  04/21/13
...
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  04/21/13
I'm a junior in IP, so... "I do a lot of work represen...
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  04/21/13
Being a patent lit bro is probably one of the "cooler&q...
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  04/21/13
On balance, I manage to keep my life in balance.
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Defend evil corporations against sex and race discrimination...
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  04/21/13
"...and I also work with special needs dolphins."
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  04/21/13
"I send people to jail."
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  04/21/13
you mostly fiddle around with lexis and suck cock. laypeople...
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  04/21/13
...
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  04/22/13
Tell them you argue that people that lost limbs of loved one...
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  04/21/13
Most girls I talk to actually understand what lawyers at lar...
buff ratface
  04/21/13
That's amazing because most BIGLAWYERS don't.
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  04/21/13
I don't speak to proles. Most girls I know work in professi...
buff ratface
  04/21/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trqh9ezMY70
concupiscible stage dingle berry
  04/21/13
edit: :( I noticed it was for BigLaw only.
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  04/21/13
lol i was recently at a party talking with a group of like 6...
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...
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  04/22/13
lol wtf just say litigation like you see on tv
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  04/21/13
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  04/21/13
SS law at Binder & Binder http://www.binderandbinder....
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  04/22/13
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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:51 PM
Author: At-the-ready drab cumskin lettuce

What do you say in response? I normally say "corporate litigation at a big firm." [Assume for the purposes of this question that she is a layperson]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050507)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:54 PM
Author: diverse snowy boistinker regret

i would translate. something like, "when two companies have a legal conflict, we help them understand the issues. it's called corporate litigation."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050528)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:16 AM
Author: Self-absorbed contagious space alpha

Are you talking to a 5yo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23052061)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:58 PM
Author: Thriller dilemma corn cake

The preferred term is "victims rights"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050553)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:52 PM
Author: Wine piazza therapy

"I fight for the freedoms of others"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050510)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:56 PM
Author: bateful market

been having this problem a lot...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050541)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:57 PM
Author: At-the-ready drab cumskin lettuce

Right, so what do you do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050544)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:57 PM
Author: Blue electric location toaster

just say lawyer, if they are a lay person they won't care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050548)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:58 PM
Author: At-the-ready drab cumskin lettuce

So when a girl asks "what type of law do you practice" I should just say "I'm a lawyer?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050555)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:00 PM
Author: Blue electric location toaster

oh sorry, misread original post.

Just say you're a litigator

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050571)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:03 PM
Author: diverse snowy boistinker regret

most people don't know what a litigator is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050587)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:39 PM
Author: Primrose spectacular native

exactly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051410)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:52 PM
Author: demanding smoky mood business firm

a person asking what type absolutely does

you underestimate the laity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051909)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:58 PM
Author: Cyan Fear-inspiring Rehab Digit Ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051951)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:57 PM
Author: navy temple mad-dog skullcap

"I never, ever generate revenue of less than 3x my cost."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050552)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:58 PM
Author: carnelian casino headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050558)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:00 PM
Author: Thriller dilemma corn cake

Ever?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050570)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:01 PM
Author: navy temple mad-dog skullcap

Not under any circumstances breh. I mean, I'm still a biglawyer, right? What further proof could you need?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050577)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 8:59 PM
Author: Bistre Sweet Tailpipe Electric Furnace

"Did you see Michael Clayton?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050564)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:01 PM
Author: Vivacious office

"No"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050579)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:03 PM
Author: Bistre Sweet Tailpipe Electric Furnace

"What kind of nurse are you?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050589)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:00 PM
Author: well-lubricated juggernaut

"Orthopedic Lawyer"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050569)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:35 AM
Author: passionate station nowag

lol, this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23052123)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:01 PM
Author: Vivacious office

"Mafia criminal law"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050574)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:04 PM
Author: walnut stead

nautical

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050595)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:15 PM
Author: Curious senate

"Master of Space Law"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050683)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:15 PM
Author: high-end twinkling box office

IP. or PI. which ever is the good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050688)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:15 PM
Author: Impertinent flirting resort liquid oxygen

"I sit in an office and post a racist online chatroom."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050692)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:16 PM
Author: bateful market

This. But add "doing work that a high school graduate could do"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050695)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:36 PM
Author: carnelian casino headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050857)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:40 PM
Author: Beady-eyed orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051414)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:06 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone light stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051613)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:16 PM
Author: Boyish nibblets parlour

"i dont really practice. that's why im not any good"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050694)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:19 PM
Author: Tantric Hairraiser Menage Hairy Legs

International Law.

But in all seriousness, just pick a case you've worked on and explain it as simply as possible like,

"Sometimes when two companies love each other a whole lot they want to be close to each other so they do a special dance and become one company. And sometimes after this happens another bad guy lawyer will come along and sue one of the companies on behalf of a consolidated class of noteholders. And that company's fairy god insurer might deny a claim made under its D&O policy so I have to convince a judge to force the fairy god insurer to turn over all its magical correspondence. Then I get the friendly forest animals to help read through all the fairy god insurer's correspondence looking for naughty things."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050722)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:46 PM
Author: motley slippery shrine

how many 180s were you expecting for this poast, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051471)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:08 PM
Author: Tantric Hairraiser Menage Hairy Legs

A lot when I had the idea. Then as I was writing I realized it kinda sucked. Poor execution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051626)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:14 PM
Author: navy temple mad-dog skullcap

it's still pretty decent bro. i smirked at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051661)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:38 AM
Author: Insanely creepy aphrodisiac whorehouse mad cow disease

i thought it was good. i took the flame route below. didnt get as much positive feedback as id hoaped, either

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23052133)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:20 PM
Author: Insanely creepy aphrodisiac whorehouse mad cow disease

"I do cutting edge work in commercial litigation. It's an extremely rewarding job because we're always on the frontier, paving the way for new laws that will help our clients now and for years to come. I truly do love my work. What's you're occupation?"

Pretty much the above verbatim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050734)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:41 PM
Author: razzle sound barrier

awful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050899)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:04 AM
Author: Insanely creepy aphrodisiac whorehouse mad cow disease

got anything better you fucking pumo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051984)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:47 PM
Author: Disrespectful jew

if i overheard you say this i'd give you a wedgie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051473)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:19 PM
Author: soul-stirring athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051710)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:34 PM
Author: Exhilarant Irate Dysfunction

I'm a junior in IP, so...

"I do a lot of work representing tech companies. For example, right now I'm representing (insert cool well-known tech company) in a case against (other, well-known but less cool, tech company) about blah blah blah."

"OMG, get out, like you represent (tech company) in court? That's so cool."

"Well, yeah, me and a couple other guys at my firm"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050840)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:37 PM
Author: dashing address philosopher-king

Being a patent lit bro is probably one of the "cooler" areas of law, especially if you represent one of the mobile phone companies or some other "cutting edge" company.

Apple, Google, Samsung = these would all be cool clients to chicks at a bar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050861)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:38 PM
Author: carnelian casino headpube

On balance, I manage to keep my life in balance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050865)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:42 PM
Author: Glittery Roast Beef Point

~~~~~ Rest In Peace, Love ~~~~~

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050907)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 9:43 PM
Author: carnelian casino headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23050909)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:18 PM
Author: Glittery Roast Beef Point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051699)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:37 PM
Author: Poppy stag film

Defend evil corporations against sex and race discrimination claims and from harming the environment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051391)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:39 PM
Author: impressive chartreuse becky

"...and I also work with special needs dolphins."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051833)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:38 PM
Author: Painfully honest mewling base macaca

"I send people to jail."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051401)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:41 PM
Author: Charismatic half-breed

you mostly fiddle around with lexis and suck cock. laypeople generally understand cock sucking but you might have to explain lexis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051427)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:18 AM
Author: Self-absorbed contagious space alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23052069)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:44 PM
Author: Pale harsh wrinkle community account

Tell them you argue that people that lost limbs of loved ones in the Boston bombings technically weren't victims of "terrorist attacks" and insurance companies owe them nothing.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2013/04/17/certifying-an-act-of-terror/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051450)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:45 PM
Author: buff ratface

Most girls I talk to actually understand what lawyers at large firms do to some degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051458)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 10:47 PM
Author: Pale harsh wrinkle community account

That's amazing because most BIGLAWYERS don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051474)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:06 PM
Author: buff ratface

I don't speak to proles. Most girls I know work in professions that deal with lawyers regularly. They may not know how to draft reps and warranties or know rules of civil procedure but they understand what lawyers do for large corporations and banks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051615)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:02 PM
Author: concupiscible stage dingle berry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trqh9ezMY70

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051586)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:05 PM
Author: Provocative charcoal theater stage

edit: :( I noticed it was for BigLaw only.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051606)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:10 PM
Author: costumed ruddy fortuitous meteor

lol i was recently at a party talking with a group of like 6 people, and we were kind of going around talking about what everyone did for a living. all these other dudes and dudettes had moderately interesting jobs, nothing crazy but people still had questions and it was a lively discussion. then it got to me and i said i was a lawyer at a big firm...crickets...lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051642)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:42 PM
Author: Unholy school cafeteria

lol @ awkward megavirgin unsexed tardshits who don't know how to phrase what you do to a girl. fucking hilarious people like you exist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051852)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:25 AM
Author: Insanely creepy aphrodisiac whorehouse mad cow disease



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23052095)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:52 PM
Author: demanding smoky mood business firm

lol wtf just say litigation like you see on tv

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051904)



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Date: April 21st, 2013 11:56 PM
Author: heady free-loading crackhouse

Just say banking and structured finance, it's not like they really care - it's just an idle question to keep conversation moving. Depending on the girl, however, I do add in the entertainment and sports deals I've worked on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051934)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:02 AM
Author: Floppy know-it-all multi-billionaire

SS law at Binder & Binder

http://www.binderandbinder.com/



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23051968)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:07 AM
Author: house-broken antidepressant drug

her: so what kind of lawyer are you?

me: i do litigation

her: so you're in court all the time?

me: uh uh uh, well, most stuff settles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23052010)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:34 AM
Author: Glittery Roast Beef Point

LJL at betafags who don't slap/chokepwn bitches when they ask unsolicited questions about your jerb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2236665&forum_id=2#23052121)



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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:36 AM
Author: lake galvanic meetinghouse

yo baby, i chase ambulances and help poor people get the money they deserve. Wanna fuck in the back of my Saturn?

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Date: April 22nd, 2013 12:38 AM
Author: Saffron Indecent Travel Guidebook Nursing Home

I give a fairly detailed example of a transactional group and tell them it's just like law and order. Then laugh and say, no seriously, I move commas around professionally.

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