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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:37 PM Author: Saffron famous landscape painting Applied to LS this cycle, but then discovered XO and scamblogs and increasingly realized how much law blows. Have a 30k fellowship in DC in a field that will be really fun but probably never lucrative and future is uncertain after fellowship.
Options as I see it:
-Go ahead and take it now -Ask for deferral, do fellowship and then go -Refuse, do fellowship and apply again next fall going for equal money at better school or Harvard admission (got waitlisted this cycle) -Fuck it, don't do law.
I'd be interested in law if it weren't for how completely terrible it seems to be these days. Any hope for it getting better?
Before anybody asks, I also could attend Columbia at sticker, Chicago with 70k, Texas for free. I didn't apply to a lot of mid-T14's because I knew I wasn't 100% set on going and wanted a few places that I could apply to later without them being mad I refused them in the past. |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:10 PM Author: Big Resort i fuck black women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23104135) |
Date: April 29th, 2013 5:41 PM Author: Godawful set mood lol cornell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101675) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:42 PM Author: Saffron famous landscape painting Well yeah, but money >>>>> bullshit preftige outside HYS, or so is my understanding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101689) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:52 PM Author: Dashing geriatric gaping This. The gap between the other t14s, outside of HYS that is, is really exaggerated on this site. I cannot stress enough how much better it is to go to Cornell w/ 150k than Columbia at sticker. The difference in outcomes for most people will not be significantly different. A slightly larger % of the class at Columbia will work for elite firms and snag elite clerkships. A slightly larger % of the class at Cornell will be shit out of luck. If you were smart enough to get into that slightly thicker top layer at Columbia (say the top 30%), then you will probably be smart enough to get into the thinner top layer at Cornell (say top 15%). If you were going to fall into the thick bottom layer at Cornell (say the bottom 30%), then you would probably have fallen into the thinner bottom layer at Columbia (say bottom 15%). For most people, there will be essentially no difference in outcome, certainly not 150k worth of difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101750) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:55 PM Author: Godawful set mood Agreed, the notion that there is some big difference between any of the schools 4-14 is largely just wishful thinking on the part of HYS rejects at Columbia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101773) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:56 PM Author: Sadistic half-breed How was law center? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101777) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:14 PM Author: rambunctious filthy casino dragon credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23104172) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:41 PM Author: Dashing geriatric gaping Think long and hard about whether you want to be a lawyer. If you do, then take it. 150k scholarship is basically full tuition. Going to Cornell and working hard gives you a better than 50% shot of coming out making 160k in NY with very little debt. Not bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101679) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:45 PM Author: Saffron famous landscape painting That's the thing, though. Whether I want to be a lawyer is very contextual. Biglaw sounds fucking horrible and would make me want to kill myself, but if law will start improving or I can be sure it's just a pit-stop on the way to a better jerb, that's acceptable. Other jerbs, whether in government or at a public interest place, sound a lot more interesting, but the field is still saturated as fuck.
On the plus side, I actually like my flyover state and would totally love living there or somewhere similar long-term. How hard is it to lateral from biglaw to flyover midlaw or government? |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 6:04 PM Author: honey-headed property deer antler What better jerb are you hoping to cop with a JD? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101841) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:11 PM Author: Talking Home Useless Brakes i would try to postpone a year and do your fellowship i am a strong proponent of not going from UG to LS you'll likely do your fellowship, realize you have good exit opps out of that paying something decent, and in three years you would have been in LS you'll get up to six figs assuming your fellowship is someething worthwhile that will give you exp and connections and you hustle no debt and if you really want to go to LS your fellowship and any other WE will make you competitive for schollies at better places and admission to YHS |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:42 PM Author: Saffron famous landscape painting ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101682) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:42 PM Author: Sadistic half-breed Get the deferral at Chicago and reapply while working. Don't plan to go there, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101691) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:43 PM Author: marvelous carnelian rigor 3 years in a tundra leading to work at a miserable job? SIGN ME UP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101694) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:45 PM Author: Clear razzle-dazzle associate rehab why not texas for free, bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101704) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:48 PM Author: Azure Blood Rage Church Building this: austin with hot bitches and nice parties and good weather vs. ithaca with entitled fat kike bitches and shit suicidal weather (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101724) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:49 PM Author: Saffron famous landscape painting Strongly considered, but I'd be willing to swap a few k for the ability to go anywhere instead of just Texas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101734) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 5:56 PM Author: lascivious sickened boiling water idiot For the privilege, nay, the right to say that he graduated from an IVY LEAGUE law school, lil'breh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23101781) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:02 PM Author: maize house mad-dog skullcap lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23103047) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:33 PM Author: lascivious sickened boiling water idiot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIPdgTG08QU&t=26s
Scratch that.
It's not as if he'd be going to the Ivy League Cornell, but rather the Law School Cornell--perhaps an affiliated state college at Cornell. |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:11 PM Author: Talking Home Useless Brakes WAY less chance at biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23104148) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 6:01 PM Author: Saffron famous landscape painting Just a general question: Given that I didn't apply to several other T14's (Michigan, Penn, Duke, NU) and also got LOLwaitlisted at UVA, is there really any downside to waiting a year? I figure apps will drop again, my GPA will be higher than it was this cycle, I'll have WE, and I can apply right away in September because I have all the materials done. I figure with all that I'd have a shot at Harvard and could score 150k at a mid-T14.
Anybody know how much a previous refusal to attend will hurt you at a school? |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 6:43 PM Author: iridescent heady national they wont care, but full ride at cornell is probably about as good as you're gonna get. that said, don't go to law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23102115) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:43 PM Author: wine travel guidebook You probably won't get a substantial boost anywhere but NU, and they're no better than Cornell and unlikely to give you an equivalent deal. If you want law, either convince Cornell to defer your scholarship or go now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23103384) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 8:20 PM Author: Self-absorbed puce queen of the night Texas fo' free is tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23102713) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 8:23 PM Author: iridescent heady national cept youll never find a job if you aren't from there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23102731) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:13 PM Author: Talking Home Useless Brakes this is not true at all, i encounter non-Texan UT grads regularly in the big cities of texas not so much the boomer generation, but gen y and x for sure |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 8:32 PM Author: Brass Electric Son Of Senegal Cornell places much better, unless you are a chill, fratty texas or southern bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23102816) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 8:28 PM Author: Boyish stock car ratface it's either cornell with 150 or chicago with 70 depends what you want to do no h? why not? |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 10:50 PM Author: Saffron famous landscape painting H didn't let me in. I'm a 173/3.8 so it's not that surprising. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23103941) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 9:39 PM Author: iridescent heady national dont forget: the economy will implode again before you graduate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23103357) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:00 PM Author: excitant windowlicker With a 173 LSAT and some effort you should be in the top 1/3rd of your class at Cornell.
If you're from the South or West, go to Texas. |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:07 PM Author: Saffron famous landscape painting From the Great Plains, so no Texas connections beyond not having an innate shitlib hatred of it.
In any case, if there's not some huge penalty from reapplying later I think I'll do my fellowship for the time being and maybe take another shot at Harvard.
Also, I figure getting away from school and working for a while will be helpful in determining if I really want to head back for law. Maybe that's just gap year flame or something but it sounds like a cogent idea. |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:09 PM Author: wine travel guidebook Cornell w/150k>>>>>Chicago w/70k>H at sticker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23104111) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:10 PM Author: excitant windowlicker Great Plains is probably a good enough regional connection to get a job at one of the big Texas firms. You probably have to do pretty well 1L year to get a job at one though. If you're willing to play the game your first year, then you could fuck around the next 2 years and enjoy Austin. I didn't go to Texas though. Maybe someone else could give better advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23104138) |
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Date: April 29th, 2013 11:19 PM Author: rambunctious filthy casino dragon He needs to do more than put in "some effort" ... I think the lower-t14 mindset (awareness of extreme bimodal outcomes -- top people to V5 and COA, bottom people get nothing) breeds a ton of competition and gunning. I took it relatively easy and finished outside the top 1/3 at a DNC despite having a 175 LSAT. Still got biglaw with very little debt... but if I had been even more overconfident, it could have turned out worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#23104212) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:55 AM Author: Saffron famous landscape painting Ah, memories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#38860568) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:56 AM Author: magical hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#38860571) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:56 AM Author: canary outnumbered love of her life fuck yeah man we're all going to make it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2243154&forum_id=2#38860572) |