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Date: May 1st, 2013 12:59 PM Author: yellow laughsome menage toaster Discuss:
http://abovethelaw.com/careers/law-school-rankings/ |
Date: May 1st, 2013 1:01 PM Author: excitant pink station where's dartmouth law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113830) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:11 PM Author: Drunken Fanboi wow, your hilarious! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113886) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:12 PM Author: aqua national pervert LOL WHAT A NOVEL NEW JOKE ABOUT LAW SCHOOLS AND LAY PERCEPTION!!!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113891) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:15 PM Author: histrionic angry cuckoldry address WHOLLY SHIT I AM LITERALLY PARALYZED WITH LAUGHTER (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113909) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:34 PM Author: Wonderful wrinkle Subject: don't listen to what those other jerks said, you are a funny guy LOLOLOL JK WHAT A FUCKING STUPID AND OBVIOUS JOKE!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114027) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 1:38 AM Author: drab insane milk lay LOL OMG YOU SHOULD BE IN COMEDY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23125210) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:01 PM Author: Turquoise titillating famous landscape painting casino CLS/NYU = TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113836) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:02 PM Author: yellow laughsome menage toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113837) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:19 PM Author: Spectacular bawdyhouse lettuce Duke and Va? LOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113942) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:06 PM Author: histrionic angry cuckoldry address lol 10% "Alumni Rating" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113858) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:07 PM Author: Turquoise titillating famous landscape painting casino *MAF single NYC shrews LAMBASTING their Alma Maters* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113863) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:10 PM Author: histrionic angry cuckoldry address Also ironic that in its effort to promote transparency, ATL includes a "non public" (i.e., meaningless) component that's worth TEN FUCKING PERCENT--2.5 percent more than it weighs SCOTUS/Fed clerkships (a statistic that actually means something).
What a fucking joke. |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:13 PM Author: Drunken Fanboi ^ fucking retard. as a practical matter, scotus clerkships dont mean shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113894) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:14 PM Author: histrionic angry cuckoldry address Please, please tell me this is flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113904) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:18 PM Author: Drunken Fanboi well one thing's clear: you're most certainly NOT in the running for a scotus clerkship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113925) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:21 PM Author: histrionic angry cuckoldry address THere are literally no unemployed former SCOTUS clerks.
Also, getting a Fed Ct. clerkship is a big fucking deal.
I recognize that as "temporary" positions that tend to go to the graduates of an elite few (HYS), these positions might not mean shit because they aren't opportunities to most law school graduates. But it's an important metric nevertheless because of the doors these positions open.
Now if ATL had included a metric for state court clerkships, I'd agree with you that that's a stupid statistic |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:23 PM Author: Drunken Fanboi learn how to read bootyfaggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113973) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:13 PM Author: yellow laughsome menage toaster Yeah, they assert that alumni matter but do nothing to support said assertion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113896) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:14 PM Author: Blue Stead reminder that US News weighs "reputation" 40% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113905) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:16 PM Author: histrionic angry cuckoldry address Exactly. I thought the point of ATLs rankings were to "get to the stuff that matters"
Then they include a meaningless and obscure metric that also plagues USNews |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:18 PM Author: Blue Stead but they don't weigh it nearly as much
i admit its something of a circular argument. if firms/judges don't interview candidates below a certain level of school, then they are taking "reputation" into account indirectly anyway. |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:26 PM Author: Zippy internal respiration french chef you know this was only done so HY stayed on top lat and elie mad as FUARK |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:16 PM Author: Self-centered thriller jap DESPERATELY trying to be a relevant blog again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113915) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:18 PM Author: Snowy old irish cottage psychic why shouldnt they do their own ranking? rankings are total bs regardless of how they're computed. the most ridiculous thing about the whole law school industry is how much people obsess over that us news crap. if you can't figure out within some range what the job prospects are for a school and compare that with your tuition/expected debt load/opportunity costs of law school, then you've got problems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113928) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:21 PM Author: beady-eyed slippery nursing home if you look at ATL's site traffic it's declined like 80% from a couple years ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113947) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:22 PM Author: Blue Stead twinkletoes Lat can't seem to comprehend that many people came there for the comments
switching to a ridiculously bad comments system + no comments at all (even viewing) on mobile app = no pageviews |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:40 PM Author: yellow laughsome menage toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114067) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:43 PM Author: mind-boggling meetinghouse tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114089) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:24 PM Author: godawful stage affirmative action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118010) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:25 PM Author: Lilac range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118016) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:22 PM Author: concupiscible reading party blood rage this ranking is diluting my prestige! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113958) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:23 PM Author: beady-eyed slippery nursing home JFC only 54% of law grads get a job now??? LOLOLOL WTF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23113967) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:40 PM Author: yellow laughsome menage toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114068) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:36 PM Author: Razzmatazz seedy factory reset button lol @ UT
LEITER HAVE YOU NO SHAME |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:40 PM Author: yellow laughsome menage toaster T-14!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114069) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:40 PM Author: Lascivious balding indian lodge It doesn't seem like they put much thought into it.
Penn has best quality jobs most likely because Yale and Harvard are doing bigger and better things than biglaw and NYU is marketing itself to public interest kids.
The fact that they didn't bother to correct this red flag is telling. |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:46 PM Author: overrated location they make their methodology seem simpler and clearer-cut than it really is, which is sort of annoying given all the sneering they do at US News (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114099) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:26 PM Author: 180 massive church building How do you want them to correct for people going into public interest jobs? You can't assume all public interest types chose it over biglaw or federal clerkships, because then you would be giving a boost to TTT schools where a PD gig is the best they could do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114306) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:36 PM Author: overrated location yeah, there's probably no good way to be sure about the effect of something like NYU's emphasis on PI, but they should at least acknowledge that, rather than pretending that they're just a bunch of straight-talking bros reporting the facts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114382) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 12:46 AM Author: cordovan naked market stain Lol @ NYU actually placing its public interest kids in decent employment. Also, its clerkship placement is atrocious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118728) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:32 AM Author: overrated location whether or not they get "good" jobs is irrelevant. the point is they're not chasing the firm jobs and clerkships, which artificially deflates NYU's numbers somewhat, although probably not by a whole 25% or whatever they say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119571) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 12:47 AM Author: Self-centered thriller jap NYU's PI is pretty much flame, bro. To their credit, they do do good stuff with it, but the 25% figure is mostly garbage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118732) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 1:19 AM Author: Marvelous iridescent piazza (house pre-law student) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118922) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 1:50 PM Author: ungodly flatulent friendly grandma *awaits Leiter THAT'S NOT SCHOLARSHIP screed* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114123) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:03 PM Author: Aphrodisiac double fault It's hard to say. Usually any new ranking like this would produce an epic screed from Leiter. But both Chicago and UT made out pretty well in this ranking, so maybe he'll be approving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114178) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:05 PM Author: Bossy Goyim Goal In Life Although unlike the recent National Jurist fiasco, this one is not nuts and contains some useful information. More detail about response rates from the student and alumni surveys would be welcome. And the weighting of the different factors is, of course, inexplicable. It is, I think, useful for prospective students to see that some more regional schools in fact have very good employment outcomes.
(Thanks to Rick Hasen for the pointer.) http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2013/05/yes-yet-another-ranking-of-law-schools.html
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:35 AM Author: Fuchsia bespoke multi-billionaire heaven Good employment outcomes being shitlaw at 50k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119505) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:04 PM Author: Bossy Goyim Goal In Life Doobs on a plane to Santa Fe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114182) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:43 PM Author: Lilac range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114454) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:42 PM Author: Vibrant garrison newt Actually this is a pretty good list. We've known for a while now that Columbia/NYU at sticker is a pretty horrible investment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23114441) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:43 PM Author: overrated location LJL
boalt at sticker, on the other hand... |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 2:47 PM Author: Vibrant garrison newt All 3 are shit and are appropriately ranked 8-10.
Penn is probably your best option if you get dinged by HYS and still want to go to law school for some reason. |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:25 AM Author: comical field *still want to tell people you go to an IVY LEAGUE school for some reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119495) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 12:42 AM Author: Self-centered thriller jap I thought Columbia is similar to Penn in just graduating everyone into BigLaw, but being more prestigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118698) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:03 PM Author: Frozen slimy corner knife Class of 2012 -- only 1500 students got law school funded jobs? That seems wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23117818) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:05 PM Author: Aphrodisiac double fault ljl @ gulc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23117839) |
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Date: May 1st, 2013 11:26 PM Author: twinkling mewling idea he suggested SECOND PAGE PLEASE, hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23118036) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:30 AM Author: twinkling mewling idea he suggested COME ON. SOMEONE POAST THE SECOND PAGE! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119498) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 8:05 PM Author: twinkling mewling idea he suggested PLEASE! SOMEONE? ANYONE? SECOND PAGE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23129331) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 1:34 AM Author: Supple peach clown this is just an elaborate form of BYU trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119017) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:02 AM Author: 180 massive church building I think it's super cheap, even for non-mormons, and they cop dem mormon clerkships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119540) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 1:40 AM Author: Supple peach clown what is a Mormon clerkship? do you get to sit on the Mormon Tribal Council of Apostles with the Prophet or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23125216) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:31 AM Author: exhilarant shivering mad cow disease shaking with rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119499) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 6:32 AM Author: Fuchsia bespoke multi-billionaire heaven Fordham got PWND by everybody from U.Houston to TTTulane. In all seriousness though ATL doing rankings makes more sense than USNews, a third rate hack magazine nobody reads, doing rankings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119500) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:01 AM Author: comical field When you consider that all lawyers are third-rate hacks... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119538) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:01 AM Author: 180 massive church building I like much of the criteria. The law school transparency number of % in 101+ firm + % in fed clerkship is probably the most important number for ranking schools (other than Yale). Somehow combining this with % of grads working as actual lawyers, should give you a proper ranking of all but the most elite schools. And the SCOTUS stuff is probably good for elevating the truly elite schools from the Penns of the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119539) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 8:36 AM Author: Henna step-uncle's house really tough guy just lol at using the NLJ 250. the bottom of that list is filled with glorified shitlaw. using the Am Law 100 would have made way more sense since it better approximates biglaw placement, the result people actually care about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23119576) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:05 AM Author: 180 massive church building They are even more encompassing than NLJ250, using "Firms with 101+ attorneys", I believe, from the official stats collected by the ABA and presented by law school transparency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120051) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 8:13 PM Author: honey-headed arousing half-breed crackhouse I think something like Am Law 100 + all firms who pay BIGLAW rates so you get all quality boutiques + all firms who pay the highest rate of the market their in so you get the best firms in nebraska included. that way you don't punish the yalie who comes back home to lincoln to practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23129359) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 10:58 AM Author: Internet-worthy theater pozpig How is UVA ranked so highly? Some recent article had them employing 20% of the graduating class in law school funded jobs, way above the average in this study. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120028) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:08 AM Author: 180 massive church building IIRC, they counted those people as being employd in long-term full-time jobs requiring a JD, which managed to help their "employment score" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120075) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:11 AM Author: overrated location cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120096) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:12 AM Author: Vibrant garrison newt They offer a lot more in scholarship than NYU/Columbia, so the net cost for the shit degree is lower. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120100) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2013 11:10 AM Author: Topaz aromatic roommate sanctuary well i am shocked, just SHOCKED that diesel's law school didn't make the list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23120087) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2013 8:00 PM Author: flushed doobsian parlour why the love for dook? scholarship $$? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2244682&forum_id=2#23129308) |
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