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Should I go to Harvard Law?

Serious question. I've deposited for this year but getting c...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
if you can get into HLS, you have better options than law sc...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
what do you wish you'd done instead
Cobalt chad rehab
  05/09/15
b-school, or just business without more school. Always still...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
am i stupid for going to med school in late 20s? i could go ...
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
no, if you are passionate about medicine and helping people ...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
How is business (Banking/Consulting) any better than a law c...
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
business isn't just banking and consulting bro....there is a...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
so you mean actually owning your own business or navigating ...
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/09/15
or working at a smaller business or startup...which is kind ...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
That's a huge risk though. No guarantee u will make any mone...
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
For a number of reasons, I wouldn't base your career decisio...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
why not
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
because people who do typically end up very unhappy in life
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/09/15
Everyone has a baseline salary they want to earn though, so ...
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
as it turns out, apparently across the board 75K/yr optimize...
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/10/15
ok, sorry I guess you can, if you want to spend 50-60 hours ...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
what if it's something u enjoy and the money is a bonus? I l...
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
well then you aren't making your decision based on guarantee...
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/09/15
Well I am not choosing the Entrepreneur route either
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
y r u so gay
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/09/15
It's silly to say that salary shouldn't be a concern. There ...
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
What are the right reasons you reckon? Here's where I sta...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
that might not be so bad.
Cobalt chad rehab
  05/09/15
Those (lol) things you mentioned are not necessarily lol fro...
Pale volcanic crater factory reset button
  05/09/15
thx
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
you're not helping your argument by saying "well i woul...
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/09/15
It isn't the money, its the obligations I have at this age t...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
cut out those obligations tell ur shrew wife to get a job or...
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/09/15
With all due respect, can you itemize those obligations and ...
Pale volcanic crater factory reset button
  05/09/15
$250k for taxes $60k for private school (2 kids) $15k for ...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
just lol at kid-havers. I'm getting a vasectomy.
slimy flushed chapel
  05/09/15
Jesus Christ. I don't want to grow up.
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
you don't
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
Why would you buy such an expensive house and then send kids...
Pale volcanic crater factory reset button
  05/09/15
that is a 2bd/2ba in SF. Our kids share a room. On priva...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
All choices, I guess. Buying a house in SF proper is expensi...
Pale volcanic crater factory reset button
  05/09/15
no, she actually doesn't pretty well, which is the only way ...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/10/15
wtf @ 25K/yr for college funds, in 20 years that'd be half a...
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/10/15
Really bro? How much do you think college is going to cos...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/10/15
if they have any ability, they can get a high quality free e...
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/10/15
clearly you are not a parent and nobody will ever mate with ...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/10/15
unlike you i'm not azn
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/10/15
cr
fiercely-loyal hideous organic girlfriend
  05/11/15
you are right. that is probably low. college for two kids ...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/10/15
are your kids retarded or something?
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/10/15
no, really smart. are the very top schools giving out major...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/10/15
good, then they can get a good education for little to nothi...
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/10/15
So they don't end up a miserable fucking lawyer like you.
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/10/15
you seem confused
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/10/15
What part of wanting your kids to go to a Princeton, Harvard...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/10/15
lol at paying 500k for a modest or even non existent increas...
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/10/15
...
Floppy khaki becky
  05/11/15
you are asking why people want their kids to go to Harvard o...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/10/15
subject is more important than institution, and undergrad in...
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/10/15
...
Floppy khaki becky
  05/11/15
weird flame
Rebellious salmon milk site
  05/11/15
(azn)
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/11/15
if you are making 550 you are not paying fucking more than 1...
Exhilarant fortuitous meteor heaven
  05/10/15
250k actually sounds about right, especially given that they...
razzmatazz nofapping senate messiness
  05/10/15
lol. I wish.
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/10/15
look fucktard, your shitty flame is shitty flame there is...
Exhilarant fortuitous meteor heaven
  05/10/15
you sound like one of the people who thinks the well off don...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/10/15
what would u do instead????
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
No idea. Maybe govt.
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
what do you make? are you happier as a mid size law partner...
autistic useless nibblets
  05/09/15
expect about $450-550k this year I'm never going to be ha...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
I went in-house not too long ago for a little more than half...
autistic useless nibblets
  05/09/15
how much work do you think they would give you dollar wise? ...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
I think to be sure i'd get good, reliable business i'd need ...
autistic useless nibblets
  05/09/15
probably not.
Cobalt chad rehab
  05/09/15
probably not, but I'd be bored to death in-house as a lawyer...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
ok ty. I kind of like what I do in-house. i'll see where t...
autistic useless nibblets
  05/09/15
One doesn't have to practice law with a HLS degree.
zippy locale
  05/09/15
What's the alternative?
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
Banking Consulting High-end govt Join a top non-profit P...
zippy locale
  05/09/15
If you can get into HLS, going to HLS isn't going to help yo...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
That's not true. Plenty of people graduate from mediocre/lou...
zippy locale
  05/09/15
yeah true, but then you just wasted three years at HLS, beca...
smoky goal in life laser beams
  05/09/15
any particular reason you don't pick a retirement $ number a...
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/09/15
Tbf I'm not interested in business-related shit. Would be lo...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
you can get a full ride to a regular LS if you're going to d...
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/09/15
lol public interest
Pale volcanic crater factory reset button
  05/09/15
kill urself then, half a page up weren't you talking about b...
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/09/15
...I am not the OP?
Pale volcanic crater factory reset button
  05/09/15
I'm the OP and I didn't say shit about basing decisions base...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
Great investment. Put your head up and don't look back
Vengeful stage
  05/09/15
you will love every minute of biglaw. Never forget your JD t...
red resort gaming laptop
  05/09/15
Explain?
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
Dramatically increases your earning potential, lay social pr...
Contagious bright forum therapy
  05/09/15
Makes your dick bigger too. It's crazy
wonderful fuchsia depressive parlour
  05/09/15
no dont do it. law is horrible. taking your time, working so...
thriller ivory hall brethren
  05/09/15
If he got into Harvard law, he could probably get into Harva...
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
Nah prob not. Decent work experience but its all NGO/academi...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
Are you kidding? Business schools love NGO and nonprofit wor...
painfully honest public bath antidepressant drug
  05/10/15
I'd have no idea how to make it business-relevant.
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/10/15
might not have the number sense for banking/consulting, and ...
Cobalt chad rehab
  05/09/15
how are they any better than BIGLAW? They are just as brutal...
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
that's essentially my sense and question, yes.
Cobalt chad rehab
  05/09/15
yea seems like the same thing
Lascivious Tank
  05/09/15
This is correct.
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
the number sense? forget that nonsense. anyone who can get i...
thriller ivory hall brethren
  05/09/15
well you'd have to show more of your work to convince me of ...
Cobalt chad rehab
  05/09/15
Explain "better paths?" Also what generally do you...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
i think i would have been far better off as a psychiatrist, ...
Cobalt chad rehab
  05/09/15
to convince you of what? you went to hys and can't handle ad...
thriller ivory hall brethren
  05/09/15
jjc pls
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/09/15
no idea what jjc means
thriller ivory hall brethren
  05/09/15
with banking u get to work even MORE hours, and with consult...
shimmering demanding fat ankles
  05/09/15
and you'll also be MAKING A DIFFERENCE
deep startling home son of senegal
  05/10/15
No.
clear disgusting knife
  05/09/15
Go to HLS, take a public interest job, enter politics, then ...
Titillating whorehouse
  05/09/15
pics plz
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
All female xo posters are 9.5s, hth. (Knocking off 0.5 due t...
Titillating whorehouse
  05/09/15
Have you tried selling sandwiches on the street? I have a me...
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...
Glassy startled voyeur preventive strike
  05/09/15
Defer for a year, study for the GMAT, take that, and see whe...
spectacular fishy point
  05/09/15
do you think you want to be a lawyer after actually giving t...
tan lodge pisswyrm
  05/09/15
Actually to my surprise most of the responses have been pret...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
so... you don't want to do the only kind of law where the $1...
slimy flushed chapel
  05/09/15
Far as I can tell LRAP makes other options viable. Please co...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
someone link this dude that post that repeats "you are ...
slimy flushed chapel
  05/09/15
What's the relevance? I'm not even close to 50.
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
that was my post in the repaye thread.
primrose pistol mother
  05/09/15
i'm not going to read the responses, but i'm guessing most o...
tan lodge pisswyrm
  05/09/15
Thx. Have a good idea of "what kind of lawyer" I w...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
To more specifically elaborate on my answer above (which was...
Pale volcanic crater factory reset button
  05/09/15
in my experience employee side labor law is realistic coming...
tan lodge pisswyrm
  05/09/15
so you're agreeing with me, neh?
Pale volcanic crater factory reset button
  05/09/15
what you said a couple posts above in my subthread sounds ri...
tan lodge pisswyrm
  05/09/15
...
Contagious bright forum therapy
  05/09/15
the shapeless whining of xo's greek chorus of faggots wou...
Vibrant claret nursing home
  05/09/15
no, this guy is playing along with the flame now that you've...
primrose pistol mother
  05/09/15
Excuse me? Playing along with the flame? That I'm conside...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
"That I'm considering law school in the first place sho...
primrose pistol mother
  05/09/15
Awesome. This is a good response. Thanks. Assuming 150k d...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
if you are smart enough to get into hls, you better be smart...
primrose pistol mother
  05/09/15
HYS grad '13 and current COA clerk. Seriously contemplating...
aggressive mad cow disease
  05/09/15
What kind of job? Also I have an SO so roommates isn't an is...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
Public interest job that I would enjoy, but would keep me un...
aggressive mad cow disease
  05/09/15
tcr is have rich parents amirite?
Pale volcanic crater factory reset button
  05/09/15
no, you shouldn't go to law school
Blathering athletic conference idiot
  05/09/15
Thx. Insight if you have it plz.
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
just don't go. biglaw is awful
Blathering athletic conference idiot
  05/09/15
It's akin to asking, "Should I marry this girl?" ...
massive crimson pit
  05/09/15
WTF does HAVE to be a lawyer mean? Nobody has to be a lawyer...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
it's fair to change HAVE to WANT. i think he is using have ...
primrose pistol mother
  05/09/15
...
Floppy khaki becky
  05/11/15
I did full ride at CCN. Not worth it, certainly not worth it...
tripping church building digit ratio
  05/09/15
What kind of business? What do you do now, big law?
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
biglaw yes. I actually had the original idea for the iPhone ...
tripping church building digit ratio
  05/09/15
u got robbed bro
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
are you a first year? how did you get a full ride and work b...
slimy flushed chapel
  05/09/15
I'm guessing he's junior associate biglaw and took out loans...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/09/15
Are u in biglaw?
misunderstood stage deer antler
  05/09/15
I had the same experience and I second this.
fluffy persian cumskin
  05/11/15
Why not just do SLS instead?
blue sweet tailpipe meetinghouse
  05/09/15
wtf question is that. Because I am from the East Coast and f...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/10/15
I ended up paying 154k for my YHS degree, lived like an abso...
Dull sinister feces
  05/10/15
so are u still in biglaw or unemployed?
Lascivious Tank
  05/10/15
Still in Biglaw.
Dull sinister feces
  05/10/15
Ugh. Bummer. Where would you really like to end up?
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/10/15
BigFed. Would love to reclaim some free time and have a stro...
Dull sinister feces
  05/10/15
Undergrad in...?
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/10/15
Poly sci shithead from an extremely obscure college (got a f...
Dull sinister feces
  05/10/15
Pretty similar here, but I'm like one step up from poli sci ...
nighttime indecent theatre
  05/10/15
...
Dull sinister feces
  05/10/15
bro what do you think my question: http://xoxohth.com/thr...
aggressive mad cow disease
  05/10/15
If your goal is to be an AUSA I would definitely do the stat...
Dull sinister feces
  05/10/15
ty.
aggressive mad cow disease
  05/10/15
If I had to do it again I wouldn't do it. The debt+waste of ...
mauve adulterous menage
  05/11/15
You seem like a smart dude so why would you ever consider &q...
Floppy khaki becky
  05/11/15
Are you in London as well? Hard to beat the comp for part...
mauve adulterous menage
  05/11/15
You are not going to make partner. You don't realize how sli...
Floppy khaki becky
  05/11/15
I know my chances are slim, but I figure: - obviously some ...
mauve adulterous menage
  05/11/15
I mean. If u don't mind ur job and the pay is good then by a...
Floppy khaki becky
  05/11/15
It does actually seem like if you make it to 7th-8th year at...
mauve adulterous menage
  05/11/15
Way lower than 20%. If you make it to year 9 you might have ...
Floppy khaki becky
  05/11/15
Well, hope that doesn't happen to me. I figure if you aren't...
mauve adulterous menage
  05/11/15


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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:34 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Serious question. I've deposited for this year but getting cold feet about law school period due to panic about job market, debt, hours, etc that I hear complained about all the time here.

grants will be 20-30k/year so tuition is going to be 30-40k/year. Est COA ~150k?

Good investment or shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855281)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:35 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

if you can get into HLS, you have better options than law school and being a lawyer, so no, don't go. I went to a top 5 school, am a partner in a mid sized law firm, and I still regret all of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855285)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:36 PM
Author: Cobalt chad rehab

what do you wish you'd done instead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855288)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:38 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

b-school, or just business without more school. Always still could I guess, but would be starting over again and probably would need to take a 2/3rds pay cut minimum

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855299)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:39 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

am i stupid for going to med school in late 20s? i could go the business/MBA route but not sure if i would be happy. Money alone can't satisfy me. I spend a lot of time reading about diseases and shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855310)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:44 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

no, if you are passionate about medicine and helping people and you know all the downsides you should go.

95% of people go to law school for the wrong reasons and end up regretting it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855344)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:45 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

How is business (Banking/Consulting) any better than a law career? Both are cut-throat competitive environments, am I right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855349)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:51 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

business isn't just banking and consulting bro....there is also like, actual business. I wouldn't want to do banking or consulting either...I don't like leaching off of business people (like lawyers do)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855384)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:52 PM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

so you mean actually owning your own business or navigating the bureaucracy of a large organisation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855391)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:54 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

or working at a smaller business or startup...which is kind of common these days

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855407)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:01 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

That's a huge risk though. No guarantee u will make any money as entrepreneur

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855457)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:03 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

For a number of reasons, I wouldn't base your career decisions on guaranteed income...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855465)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:04 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

why not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855478)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:05 PM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

because people who do typically end up very unhappy in life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855484)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:08 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

Everyone has a baseline salary they want to earn though, so it is a consideration

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855508)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 2:57 AM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

as it turns out, apparently across the board 75K/yr optimizes happiness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27858986)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:05 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

ok, sorry I guess you can, if you want to spend 50-60 hours a week doing something you hate and generally being miserable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855489)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:06 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

what if it's something u enjoy and the money is a bonus? I like medicine and enjoy it but i wouldn't do it if it paid like 30K a year...So income is a huge consideration in choosing a career

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855497)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:08 PM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

well then you aren't making your decision based on guaranteed income now, are you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855505)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:08 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

Well I am not choosing the Entrepreneur route either

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855511)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:09 PM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

y r u so gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855515)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:10 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

It's silly to say that salary shouldn't be a concern. There are lots of other professions I would enjoy like being an Editor, Journalist, Museum Curator, Archivist, Musician, etc but it's not financially feasible for me to do them...so i choose a career that i would enjoy and that provides me a salary i need

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855522)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:49 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

What are the right reasons you reckon?

Here's where I stand: I've been out of school long enough to see my undergrad friends go through LS (mostly T6 CCN grads) and into biglaw jobs and I'm pretty sure I know that I don't want to do that shit for longer than maybe a few years (hopefully post-clerkship). I also have a good sense of what "studying the law" is all about and I think I'm alright with it.

No interest in making partner or staying in biglaw longer than 2-3 years. Hoping to spend most of my career in academia (lol), PI, or smaller labor law/civil lit practice (also lol)? Hoping to ride the Harvard LRAP train in my later days.

Is that shitty reasoning?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855372)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:51 PM
Author: Cobalt chad rehab

that might not be so bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855383)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:03 PM
Author: Pale volcanic crater factory reset button

Those (lol) things you mentioned are not necessarily lol from HLS.

Serious warning, though, that if you float through HLS hoping to just land in one of those places at the end, you won't. Refine your ideas about possible paths, when you get to school network early and hard to figure out what that kind of path looks like, and position yourself to make it a reality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855469)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:14 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

thx

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855557)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:00 PM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

you're not helping your argument by saying "well i would bail on law for business if it weren't for the big fucking paycheck "

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855449)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:04 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

It isn't the money, its the obligations I have at this age that need to be paid for. That is why I wish I could just start over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855482)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:07 PM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

cut out those obligations tell ur shrew wife to get a job or stop buying manolos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855503)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:10 PM
Author: Pale volcanic crater factory reset button

With all due respect, can you itemize those obligations and teach us how to avoid incurring them in the first place? Seriously insane to me that you would need $450k-$550k income stream to support a lifestyle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855526)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:23 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

$250k for taxes

$60k for private school (2 kids)

$15k for camp and after school shit

$12k for car stuff (insurance, repair, gas, etc.)

$72k for a house payments (I live in the bay area)

$25k for college funds

So that is about $435k, and I haven't paid utilities, fed anyone, done anything fun, gone on vacations, bought anything, or saved a dime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855632)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:24 PM
Author: slimy flushed chapel

just lol at kid-havers. I'm getting a vasectomy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855638)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:25 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Jesus Christ. I don't want to grow up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855647)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:29 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

you don't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855680)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:26 PM
Author: Pale volcanic crater factory reset button

Why would you buy such an expensive house and then send kids to private school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855651)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:29 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

that is a 2bd/2ba in SF. Our kids share a room.

On private school, every year we reconsider if we should make the move to public...but the publics in SF are shitty, so it is hard to do that to your kids when you can technically afford it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855673)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:29 PM
Author: Pale volcanic crater factory reset button

All choices, I guess. Buying a house in SF proper is expensive as fuck, yes. And parochial schools are still cheaper.

Assuming your wife doesn't bring in much/any income?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856114)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:05 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

no, she actually doesn't pretty well, which is the only way we are able to save.

Yes, definitely a choice to live in SF proper. We talk about leaving all the time, but can't bring ourselves to do it just yet. Main reason is I work until 7:30pm every night minimum and so hardly make it home to see the kids before they go to bed anyway...if we lived in Marin or the East Bay I'd never see them at night.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859736)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 3:02 AM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

wtf @ 25K/yr for college funds, in 20 years that'd be half a mil, not even counting interest as they sit parked in an investment acct, you think you're going to have to spend half a mil on your two kids' college educations? ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27858994)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 6:47 AM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Really bro?

How much do you think college is going to cost in 20 years? Let's say they both go to Stanford. It's what... 50-60k/year right now = 200k COA? At two kids that's already almost half a mil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859137)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 10:37 AM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

if they have any ability, they can get a high quality free education somewhere

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859432)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:09 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

clearly you are not a parent and nobody will ever mate with you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859763)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:16 PM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

unlike you i'm not azn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859794)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 5:53 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal hideous organic girlfriend

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27865428)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:03 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

you are right. that is probably low. college for two kids if you want them to be able to go anywhere is about $500k....probably will be double that in 15 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859725)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:09 PM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

are your kids retarded or something?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859761)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:11 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

no, really smart. are the very top schools giving out major academic scholarships for people with no financial need?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859773)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:15 PM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

good, then they can get a good education for little to nothing. why is it so important that they go to the absolute highest ranked institutions?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859787)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:16 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

So they don't end up a miserable fucking lawyer like you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859793)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:16 PM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

you seem confused

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859797)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:18 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

What part of wanting your kids to go to a Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, etc. and thus maximize their opportunities for life is difficult for you to understand?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859810)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:23 PM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

lol at paying 500k for a modest or even non existent increase in your child's expected earnings

it's more about the parent's ego than anything else, HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859845)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 5:39 AM
Author: Floppy khaki becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27865414)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:18 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

you are asking why people want their kids to go to Harvard or Stanford over Appalachian state?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859807)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:21 PM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

subject is more important than institution, and undergrad institution won't restrict your precious spawn's options. if you're azn and collecting markers of status is the purpose of life, that sucks for you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859830)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 5:40 AM
Author: Floppy khaki becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27865415)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 6:02 AM
Author: Rebellious salmon milk site

weird flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27865435)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 12:51 PM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

(azn)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27866828)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: Exhilarant fortuitous meteor heaven

if you are making 550 you are not paying fucking more than 125 in total fed/state taxes

you are a fucking shitty flamethrower

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859148)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 10:34 AM
Author: razzmatazz nofapping senate messiness

250k actually sounds about right, especially given that they live in Cali which has a very high state income tax rate. 125k wouldn't come close to covering fed taxes alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859420)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:02 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

lol. I wish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859720)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 2:49 PM
Author: Exhilarant fortuitous meteor heaven

look fucktard, your shitty flame is shitty flame

there is no fucking way your effective rate is more than 30% much less the 50% you claim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27860558)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 2:57 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

you sound like one of the people who thinks the well off don't pay their fair share...because you grossly underestimate how much they pay.

Let me help you out:

http://www.paycheckcity.com/calculator/salary/



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27860592)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:37 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

what would u do instead????

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855293)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:50 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

No idea. Maybe govt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855381)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:38 PM
Author: autistic useless nibblets

what do you make? are you happier as a mid size law partner than if you'd gone in house?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855304)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:41 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

expect about $450-550k this year

I'm never going to be happy as a lawyer in any position. It just isn't an enjoyable thing to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855318)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:45 PM
Author: autistic useless nibblets

I went in-house not too long ago for a little more than half of that, but trying to decide whether to go back and try to be partner at a midsize firm. the plan would be to make my current employer my biggest client. decadent or shrewd?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855350)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:47 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

how much work do you think they would give you dollar wise? are they fickle or do you think it would be a long term client? Could be very shrewd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855360)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:52 PM
Author: autistic useless nibblets

I think to be sure i'd get good, reliable business i'd need to stay in-house another 2 years or so. the thing is that I work 9-6 and I think that in another 10 years I could be pushing 400k in house, so part of me questions whether the added stress/job insecurity is really worth a minor pay bump.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855390)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:53 PM
Author: Cobalt chad rehab

probably not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855398)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:55 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

probably not, but I'd be bored to death in-house as a lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855414)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:57 PM
Author: autistic useless nibblets

ok ty. I kind of like what I do in-house. i'll see where things stand in a couple of years, but there's a good chance i'll stay put.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855427)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:50 PM
Author: zippy locale

One doesn't have to practice law with a HLS degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855377)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:52 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

What's the alternative?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855393)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:16 PM
Author: zippy locale

Banking

Consulting

High-end govt

Join a top non-profit

Politics

Land a decent job at a F500

Start your own business

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855577)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:19 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

If you can get into HLS, going to HLS isn't going to help you much in any of those endeavors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855601)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:27 PM
Author: zippy locale

That's not true. Plenty of people graduate from mediocre/lousy colleges with magna/summa honors and end up at HLS. Those same people wouldn't even get looked at for banking jobs, consulting jobs, strategy/biz development jobs at F500s, high level politics, etc. with their mediocre, tier 2/3 ugrad degree alone. However, a HLS degree pretty much certifies that one is highly intelligent and has been granted a seal of approval by one of the top 3 universities in the world. The masses (including hiring managers) respect a Harvard JD, and as a result, doors open.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855654)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:53 PM
Author: smoky goal in life laser beams

yeah true, but then you just wasted three years at HLS, because HLS surely doesn't set you up to do anything else (although it doesn't necessarily get in the way if you have an otherwise solid pedigree)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855397)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:01 PM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

any particular reason you don't pick a retirement $ number and then retire when you hit it? you know you don't HAVE to work until you're 65

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855453)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:40 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Tbf I'm not interested in business-related shit. Would be looking more toward academia or PI longer run... maybe govt. Hiring in all of those but especially academia in particular I know is a shit show for LS grads so... hence the caution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855314)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:02 PM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

you can get a full ride to a regular LS if you're going to do PI, you don't need H for that shit, and you're going to waste a TON of money if you go to H intending to do personal injury

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855459)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:04 PM
Author: Pale volcanic crater factory reset button

lol public interest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855475)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:08 PM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

kill urself then, half a page up weren't you talking about basing decisions based on guaranteed income? u realize PI pays shit, right, and most people who do it are either POOR AS FUARK or they're rich ballers who are on a second career

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855507)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:09 PM
Author: Pale volcanic crater factory reset button

...I am not the OP?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855520)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:13 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

I'm the OP and I didn't say shit about basing decisions based on guaranteed income? Where did you get that idea? I floated PI as an option the context of LRAP which would keep loan payments relatively low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855548)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:36 PM
Author: Vengeful stage

Great investment. Put your head up and don't look back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855287)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:39 PM
Author: red resort gaming laptop

you will love every minute of biglaw. Never forget your JD training

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855307)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:44 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Explain?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855340)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:56 PM
Author: Contagious bright forum therapy

Dramatically increases your earning potential, lay social prestige, etc. you have the rest of your life in front of you. Invest in yourself now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855423)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:38 PM
Author: wonderful fuchsia depressive parlour

Makes your dick bigger too. It's crazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855762)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:39 PM
Author: thriller ivory hall brethren

no dont do it. law is horrible. taking your time, working some middling job, going to a middling b school and striving for banking/consulting is still better. law is pure shit and spending that much money to learn nothing and get some awful job is a joke. dont do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855305)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:41 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

If he got into Harvard law, he could probably get into Harvard business school or a top 5 business school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855315)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:42 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Nah prob not. Decent work experience but its all NGO/academic shit. No private sector background.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855329)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 2:05 PM
Author: painfully honest public bath antidepressant drug

Are you kidding? Business schools love NGO and nonprofit work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27860353)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 2:22 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

I'd have no idea how to make it business-relevant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27860444)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:42 PM
Author: Cobalt chad rehab

might not have the number sense for banking/consulting, and in any case, what's so great about either of those fields as options

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855326)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:42 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

how are they any better than BIGLAW? They are just as brutal in terms of hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855328)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:46 PM
Author: Cobalt chad rehab

that's essentially my sense and question, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855354)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:47 PM
Author: Lascivious Tank

yea seems like the same thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855366)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:43 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

This is correct.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855335)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:47 PM
Author: thriller ivory hall brethren

the number sense? forget that nonsense. anyone who can get into harvard law school has the number sense to handle banking. also, finance is clearly, hands down, a better option with better long-term opportunities. there's more money and more opportunity to do something that you find to be a good fit in the long run.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855364)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:50 PM
Author: Cobalt chad rehab

well you'd have to show more of your work to convince me of any of this, but no worries. it's not like i troll here for how great law is; i did yhs and have built what i expect to be a pretty good career going forward, and nevertheless am sure that there were better paths available to me (some of which i'm already aware of; others of which i may never be)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855376)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:55 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Explain "better paths?" Also what generally do you see your career trajectory to be? Private sector or???

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855413)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:06 PM
Author: Cobalt chad rehab

i think i would have been far better off as a psychiatrist, or, short of that, a psychologist

i've been biglaw for a while; plan to go bigfed and beyond

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855496)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:57 PM
Author: thriller ivory hall brethren

to convince you of what? you went to hys and can't handle adding/subtracting/extremely basic math?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855426)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:52 PM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

jjc pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855388)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:55 PM
Author: thriller ivory hall brethren

no idea what jjc means

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855416)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:04 PM
Author: shimmering demanding fat ankles

with banking u get to work even MORE hours, and with consulting you get to travel a lot so you don't have to waste your valuable time with bullshit like putting down roots in a community!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855479)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 10:38 AM
Author: deep startling home son of senegal

and you'll also be MAKING A DIFFERENCE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859442)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:41 PM
Author: clear disgusting knife

No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855316)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:41 PM
Author: Titillating whorehouse

Go to HLS, take a public interest job, enter politics, then call me up to be your poster wife and I will help you win a Senate seat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855319)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:51 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

pics plz

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855386)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:53 PM
Author: Titillating whorehouse

All female xo posters are 9.5s, hth. (Knocking off 0.5 due to mental illness.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855396)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:41 PM
Author: Vivacious elite headpube

Have you tried selling sandwiches on the street? I have a method for saving money on a chair by sitting on the cooler instead.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855320)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:18 PM
Author: Glassy startled voyeur preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855598)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:51 PM
Author: spectacular fishy point

Defer for a year, study for the GMAT, take that, and see whether you can get into a top-7 b-school. If so, do that. If not, do HLS. But if you're wealthy or married to someone who's wealthy and you can keep up a nice lifestyle while actually doing PI after law school, since it seems like that's your main goal in life right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855387)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:55 PM
Author: tan lodge pisswyrm

do you think you want to be a lawyer after actually giving this question some serious thought?

if yes, then HLS at $150k is a good investment.

if no, then YLS at $0 would be a bad investment.

most of the responses you'll get ITT will be the shapeless whining of xo's greek chorus of faggots about how they should have just done taco trucks or sold insurance or been a physician's assistant. it's completely useless to you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855410)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:57 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Actually to my surprise most of the responses have been pretty good so far.

Do I want to be a lawyer? Yeah I think so.

Do I want to be a corporate biglaw lawyer in NYC/DC/SF? No.

- I'm hung up on that latter question because that seems to be the primary/dominant outcome of LS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855428)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:00 PM
Author: slimy flushed chapel

so... you don't want to do the only kind of law where the $150k in debt WON'T be an anchor screwing you forever?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855450)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:02 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Far as I can tell LRAP makes other options viable. Please correct if I'm mistaken.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855461)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:02 PM
Author: slimy flushed chapel

someone link this dude that post that repeats "you are 50 years old." again and again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855464)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:30 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

What's the relevance?

I'm not even close to 50.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855683)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:16 PM
Author: primrose pistol mother

that was my post in the repaye thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856031)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:10 PM
Author: tan lodge pisswyrm

i'm not going to read the responses, but i'm guessing most of them are some variation of either "if you can do X then you can do Y so do Y beacuse i think Y>X" or "law is horrible what you need to do is drop $200k on kellogg because MBA jobs are the land of milk and honey." having some actual relevant experience here, i find this type of thinking useless, but if you are getting good advice ITT, awesome.

knowing what kind of lawyer you DON'T want to be isn't all that helpful to you or people trying to advise you. figure out what kind of lawyer you DO want to be and research how people who ARE that kind of lawyer got there.

xo posters are afflicted with unbearable buyer's remorse about FUCKING EVERYTHING. getting first hand knowledge of what it's like to work in a V10, or V100, or shitlaw environment is obviously helpful, but regard alternate paths anonymous people on the internet chart on your behalf with extreme skepticism, even if they assure you it's "sooo cr"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855525)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:36 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Thx. Have a good idea of "what kind of lawyer" I want to be, but I worry about how realistic it is and I am relatively risk averse in general, so I do not want to end up HAVING to take a big law job ---> miserable. Was partially trying to feel out from people here how realistic "wanting to be an academic" or e.g, practicing union-side labor law out of HLS is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855742)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:23 PM
Author: Pale volcanic crater factory reset button

To more specifically elaborate on my answer above (which was, "possible, but you better work bitch"):

I'll take the labor example, which I have a little insight into. There are a ton of opportunities through HLS to do labor stuff. There's an active org (LEAP), a leading professor (Sachs), and a variety of fellowships, both HLS and non-HLS specific. If you come in focused on that, or at least develop a credibly "demonstrated commitment" to it during your time in school, it is my belief you have a strong chance of getting some sort of position in union-side labor/employee-side employment, whether it's firm, union, or gov. With this type of thing, like public interest more broadly, connections and commitment are a lot more important than grades from HLS.

If you kind of dither and dabble, decide to do biglaw for "a few years" and then try to get back in, it is also my sense that it is much harder to get back into that track.

Academia seems like a fool's errand from anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856077)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:28 PM
Author: tan lodge pisswyrm

in my experience employee side labor law is realistic coming from HYS.

being a law professor is only "realistic" out of YLS, and only if you stretch the meaning of the word.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856109)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:29 PM
Author: Pale volcanic crater factory reset button

so you're agreeing with me, neh?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856117)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:33 PM
Author: tan lodge pisswyrm

what you said a couple posts above in my subthread sounds right to me.

i haven't been reading your posts elsewhere in this thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856138)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 4:59 PM
Author: Contagious bright forum therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855437)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:03 PM
Author: Vibrant claret nursing home

the shapeless whining of xo's greek chorus of faggots

would be a great moniker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855467)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:05 PM
Author: primrose pistol mother

no, this guy is playing along with the flame now that you've asked, but the fact that he didn't say he wanted to be a lawyer is dispositive.

law school should only be for people who want to be lawyers or have a specific use for the degree already in mind.

anyone else, even those who can got to t6 schools for free, are wasting their time in law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855940)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:11 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Excuse me? Playing along with the flame?

That I'm considering law school in the first place should be indicative that I want to be a lawyer. The point at issue (if you actually read my responses) was what kind of lawyer and whether those options (not big/corporate law) are realistic out HYS or financially viable with 150k of debt on LRAP.

How do you want me to phrase it next time? "Daddy I want to be a lawyew when gwow up?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855985)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:20 PM
Author: primrose pistol mother

"That I'm considering law school in the first place should be indicative that I want to be a lawyer."

haha, i believe you now. no one who has been around here long enough to have any clue would ever say this.

if you are going to acquire substantial debt, i.e. over $100k, by the time you finish law school, then you

absolutely

no exceptions

don't be a dumb bitch and try to argue otherwise

must go the biglaw route if you have that option and you should try to pay down your debt to a manageable level

<$100k

as quickly as you are able to

before you ever consider leaving biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856055)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:22 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Awesome. This is a good response. Thanks.

Assuming 150k debt, on 160k starting salary +10k bonus and also assuming $0 assets to start, how long do you reckon to pay that debt down by half and how much do you think is realistic to save in that timeframe?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856072)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:25 PM
Author: primrose pistol mother

if you are smart enough to get into hls, you better be smart enough to figure this shit out on your own

the simple answer is as fast as you can. that means rewarding yourself only enough to stay sane while you pay off debt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856094)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:01 PM
Author: aggressive mad cow disease

HYS grad '13 and current COA clerk. Seriously contemplating taking a job next year that would force me to live with roommates at age 30. Debt is a serious issue, even with my school's LRAP. So, I would say don't go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855458)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:04 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

What kind of job? Also I have an SO so roommates isn't an issue...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855477)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:06 PM
Author: aggressive mad cow disease

Public interest job that I would enjoy, but would keep me under 6 figures in SF/NY for the foreseeable future.

If you have a SO willing to subsidize your lifestyle, then don't worry about the debt. But if you don't, and you want to do things like own a house, have kids, save for retirement, etc. then be prepared to put in a few years of biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855498)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:09 PM
Author: Pale volcanic crater factory reset button

tcr is have rich parents amirite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855516)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:17 PM
Author: Blathering athletic conference idiot

no, you shouldn't go to law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855581)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:17 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Thx. Insight if you have it plz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855590)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:42 PM
Author: Blathering athletic conference idiot

just don't go. biglaw is awful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855795)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:25 PM
Author: massive crimson pit

It's akin to asking, "Should I marry this girl?"

If you have to ask, the answer is no. The people that are sure successes are the people who are DRIVEN to be lawyers and don't ask that kind of question. Just like the great marriages didnt begin with doubt.

That is not to say that a big chunk of the doubters (even the majority) may not also succeed, but the risk is not worth it because the stakes are your life.

tl;dr - Only be a lawyer if you HAVE to be a lawyer and you obviously dont

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855644)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:37 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

WTF does HAVE to be a lawyer mean? Nobody has to be a lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855752)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 6:13 PM
Author: primrose pistol mother

it's fair to change HAVE to WANT. i think he is using have to mean it's something you are passionate about wanting to do. law school is only for people who want to be lawyers.

however

once you have committed to law school and acquired more debt than you will be able to pay off through almost any regular job, that's when you HAVE to be a lawyer. so, yes, some people do have to be one. they should just be the people who wanted to in the first place and were too stupid to keep their debt down or haven't been practicing law long enough to get it down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27856014)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 5:42 AM
Author: Floppy khaki becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27865417)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:32 PM
Author: tripping church building digit ratio

I did full ride at CCN. Not worth it, certainly not worth it to pay for HLS. If I hadn't gone to law school, I would have gotten a business going and would be worth six figures right now. Instead, I'm miserable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855700)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:34 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

What kind of business? What do you do now, big law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855721)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:36 PM
Author: tripping church building digit ratio

biglaw yes. I actually had the original idea for the iPhone and wish I had fleshed that out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855749)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:37 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

u got robbed bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855755)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:39 PM
Author: slimy flushed chapel

are you a first year? how did you get a full ride and work biglaw and not have a 6-fig net worth?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855770)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:41 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

I'm guessing he's junior associate biglaw and took out loans to cover Cost of Living in NYC = ~75k debt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855784)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 5:39 PM
Author: misunderstood stage deer antler

Are u in biglaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27855768)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 12:51 PM
Author: fluffy persian cumskin

I had the same experience and I second this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27866832)



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Date: May 9th, 2015 11:28 PM
Author: blue sweet tailpipe meetinghouse

Why not just do SLS instead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27858016)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 2:21 AM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

wtf question is that. Because I am from the East Coast and fuck the West Coast. All around pussy attitudes over there. I can maybe end up at Yale too and I'd take that over SLS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27858882)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 10:14 AM
Author: Dull sinister feces

I ended up paying 154k for my YHS degree, lived like an absolute pauper and paid back those loans in a little over three years.

It was a mistake. Should've taken the full ride at DOOK or some other lower T14. Being a slave to debt is unbearable. Having to work big law really sucks.

Now I have the degree, great Biglaw experience. Where are my open doors? Been trying to find an in house job or BigFed job for literally two years without success. Where are these YHS "open doors?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859365)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 10:23 AM
Author: Lascivious Tank

so are u still in biglaw or unemployed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859391)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 10:35 AM
Author: Dull sinister feces

Still in Biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859422)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:11 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Ugh. Bummer. Where would you really like to end up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859770)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:19 PM
Author: Dull sinister feces

BigFed. Would love to reclaim some free time and have a strong desire to work for a mission instead of the banksters I rep now. Just really hard to even get an interview.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859821)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:23 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Undergrad in...?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859843)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:43 PM
Author: Dull sinister feces

Poly sci shithead from an extremely obscure college (got a full ride so no undergrad loans thankfully)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859920)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:48 PM
Author: nighttime indecent theatre

Pretty similar here, but I'm like one step up from poli sci shithead and have Masters too. No debt.

Doesn't bode well for me if you're any indication.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859936)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 12:57 PM
Author: Dull sinister feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27859987)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 1:26 PM
Author: aggressive mad cow disease

bro what do you think my question:

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2874449&mc=20&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27860126)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 1:34 PM
Author: Dull sinister feces

If your goal is to be an AUSA I would definitely do the state AG. I actually made it several rounds in the AUSA hiring process before being dinged and have several friends in AUSA offices. They are fucking hungry for people who have trial experience. And outside of an AUSA the state AG is the best way to do it. You won't learn dick about trial work in Biglaw.

That being said, people do make leap to AUSA from Biglaw. It isn't impossible at all. The money is great. The lifestyle is dog shit. Your decision is tough - but I'd go state AG.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27860172)



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Date: May 10th, 2015 1:36 PM
Author: aggressive mad cow disease

ty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27860181)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 5:33 AM
Author: mauve adulterous menage

If I had to do it again I wouldn't do it. The debt+waste of three years that HLS will give you are too high an opportunity cost if you're a reasonably high achieving person anyway. I don't know what I'd be doing if I hadn't (probably either continued in consulting or working in tech) but I think at this stage, 7 years from when I started at HLS, I'd have more money, a better position (even if lower annual income), and more options, not least because I wouldn't have just finished clawing my way out of a debt hole.

That said, I'm currently a 4th year biglaw associate in London, and I like my job quite a bit, and at least for now I'm gunning for partner. I think what I do is interesting sometimes, and tolerable when it isn't, and the hours can be shit but would have been shit in banking, consulting, tech, whatever else that I did anyway. I look on people who did law in undergrad with no or minimal debt, and who are consequently more senior than me at the same age, and I'm envious, and I realize that I could have had that same deal in a different profession if I'd just kept working instead of going to law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27865410)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 5:45 AM
Author: Floppy khaki becky

You seem like a smart dude so why would you ever consider "gunning for partner" in London biglaw? This is the same shitty path of least resistance thinking that led you to law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27865420)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 6:37 AM
Author: mauve adulterous menage

Are you in London as well?

Hard to beat the comp for partnership in other fields, and seems like most people who want it and are pretty good are able to make it, even if it requires a step down in firm quality. For now though, the money's pretty good (US biglaw market + COLA is excellent), and I'm at least a couple years away from being too senior for exit options, so I'm happy to stay at my firm. And if I'm here, I'm much better off gunning for partner (i.e., working hard, trying to get on good deals, doing as much biz dev as possible, etc) rather than coasting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27865450)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 12:53 PM
Author: Floppy khaki becky

You are not going to make partner. You don't realize how slim your chances are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27866838)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 1:09 PM
Author: mauve adulterous menage

I know my chances are slim, but I figure:

- obviously some people make partner every year;

- I'm in a good and growing practice area; and

- whatever else I'm going to do will be served by at least a couple more years of biglaw.

If I loathed the job, it would be different tradeoff and I'd be more put off by slim partnership odds, but I think it's pretty decent, so partnership prospects are kind of like stock options - it's like, hey, if it works out (and obviously I will do what I can to make it work out), I get a great benefit, but even if not, I like my job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27866958)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 1:18 PM
Author: Floppy khaki becky

I mean. If u don't mind ur job and the pay is good then by all means stick around. But you shouldn't be under any illusions of becoming partner and you should also keep in mind that the longer you do this 144A shit the harder it is to change and do something else. Again. Nbd if you're cool with being a career ex pat of counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27867028)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 1:38 PM
Author: mauve adulterous menage

It does actually seem like if you make it to 7th-8th year at a good firm, and you aren't completely burnt out by that point, that you have a maybe 20% chance to be made up, and if not, it seems like people tend to lateral down and get made up at shittier firms.

Did you go in-house?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27867184)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 1:45 PM
Author: Floppy khaki becky

Way lower than 20%. If you make it to year 9 you might have a 5% chance.

The way I see it play out is they get people to stay by dangling the partnership carrot in front of them for YEARS before finally counselpwning them.

No im still in biglaw lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2875873&forum_id=2#27867236)



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Date: May 11th, 2015 2:32 PM
Author: mauve adulterous menage

Well, hope that doesn't happen to me. I figure if you aren't made up in year 9, you should be looking to jump immediately - it's weird to me that so many people stick around for so long.

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