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total number of 1400+ SAT scorers, more in Ivy or Big 10?
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 1:46 PM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king seem straight forward enough?
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like if the top 25% score for university of Illinois is 1450
and 30,000 students go there, there should be something like 8,000 students there with SATs over 1400 (if not more)
http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=982
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entire enrollment at Dartmouth is 4,200
http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=403
even if they all broke 1400, there are more 1400 scorers at University of Illinois
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if you did this for the whole Big 10, and the whole Ivy, seems highly likely that the pattern holds
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what SAT score breaks the pattern?
are there more 1500 scorers in the Big 10 as a whole? |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 1:53 PM Author: Big garnet idea he suggested Something has to be wrong with this data? You are telling me that 76% of accepted students at Illinois scored at least 700 on the math section? Don't women go there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469498) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 1:56 PM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king I found that curious as well, I don't know the explanation for it (might just be wrong) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469512) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 1:57 PM Author: Big garnet idea he suggested It can't possibly be correct unless it is way easier to get a 700 on the math SAT now. Did they change it or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469516) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 1:58 PM Author: Fragrant canary ape female test-takers have their math scores re-centered by 110 points. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469520) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 4:21 PM Author: Bronze Church Building wat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28470658) |
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Date: August 4th, 2015 6:26 AM Author: Bronze Church Building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28474927) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 1:59 PM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king yeah, probably just wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469523) |
Date: August 3rd, 2015 1:48 PM Author: Provocative set Unsurprising considering most of the Big 10 is better than Dartmouth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469467) |
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Date: August 4th, 2015 4:30 AM Author: Apoplectic ticket booth people who are hurt (MSU alum) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28474842) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 1:50 PM Author: Big garnet idea he suggested Does the College Board release SAT data by number of takers who scored between X scores? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469482) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:02 PM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king this is one of those deals google actually sucks for,
there is so much spam around the term 'SAT' its hard to do any useful searching |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:04 PM Author: internet-worthy forum place of business While OP is reaching for something, I think the bigger point is that schools like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Illinois have, within their larger student body, a full "Cornell" or "Northwestern". Being large, public schools, they have a different mandate and the bottom of the classes will be of lower caliber, but it does mean there are plenty of smart kids in their classes. Honors programs there are just as qualified as T15 UGs. It's also probably not surprising these schools also individually possess some of the best departments in their respective fields. And in general these are considered 3 of the best public schools in America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469550) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:08 PM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king lets imagine you wanted to hire a 1400 kid
where are you most likely to find that kid?
how about 1450? 1500? 1550? 1600?
there's a tipping point where the answer to that question changes, that's what I'm curious about, where is that tipping point? |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:15 PM Author: Fragrant canary ape my guess would be around 1475. the big publics want enough brainy kids to get them a 75th percentile near 1400, but most of those kids are probably scoring in the low 1400s. once a kid gets close to or exceeds 1500, he's likely to be contemplating other options, unless:
1) he's looking forward to a good social climate a sports; 2) related - he may be looking to pledge a frat; or 3) he's middle to UMC -- i.e., no money from ivies/etc., but it would be tough for parents to foot the bill. (lower-income and richer kids obviously don't have this concern.) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:41 PM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king "3) he's middle to UMC -- i.e., no money from ivies/etc., but it would be tough for parents to foot the bill. (lower-income and richer kids obviously don't have this concern.)"
that's the other part of this
of 1400-1600 scorers, I imagine that the vast majority fit into this demo
as tuition goes higher and higher, more and more people are being squeezed into this demo
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:52 PM Author: Fragrant canary ape agreed.
i mean, dude, tuition at T25 privates is over $50k now. what the holy fuck.
i live in arlington, va, where a shitstack of a house at this point is going to cost more than a million dollars. two parents earning a salary that a lot of americans would consider "wealthy" -- $300k -- would never be able to afford tuition after taxes and living expenses. so why shouldn't their kid consider UVA, william & mary, or virginia tech -- three very different schools, at least one of which a lot of kids would find to be a good match. (tbf, getting into UVA from northern virginia may be as hard as most of the ivies now.) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:56 PM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king yeah exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469910) |
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Date: August 4th, 2015 4:32 AM Author: Apoplectic ticket booth people who are hurt 3 is the only real reason a 1500 scorer would choose a state school over an Ivy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28474843) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:09 PM Author: Big garnet idea he suggested There are obviously tons of kids at state schools smarter than Ivy kids, but that is really moot. Since they go to State U., everyone will think they are the lowest common denominator student there and everyone will think the guy who graduated from Cornell is the smartest kid at Cornell. That is how brand name education works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469590) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:10 PM Author: internet-worthy forum place of business This is, quite possibly, one of the most aspie things I have ever read on XO. Or at the least one of the best examples of (XO 2015), i.e. the increasingly unhinged, disconnected XO from IRL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469601) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:17 PM Author: Big garnet idea he suggested Are you a fucking idiot?
You meet 2 guys in a bar, one says they are going to Cornell and the other says Nebraska. Who is smarter? 99.9% of people will obviously think the Cornell kid is, even if he isn't. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:45 PM Author: internet-worthy forum place of business At age 18 being an asian or jew from a super zip code, sure.
Maybe in the smallest realms of law or finance.
Everywhere else, by age 24, i.e. real life, context matters. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 3:17 PM Author: Unholy Ceo Immigrant Why would you care about "everywhere else?"
Do you realize that you represent xo poas 2015? |
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Date: August 4th, 2015 4:33 AM Author: Apoplectic ticket booth people who are hurt He means barring any other information, obviously.
You actually sound like the aspie. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:49 PM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king how long do you get to talk them at the bar for?
if that's the only piece of information you know, that's a reasonable conclusion to make
in any life situation worth anything, you're allowed to add additional information |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 2:54 PM Author: Passionate charcoal old irish cottage circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28469886) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 3:14 PM Author: Big garnet idea he suggested So, were you in the Honors program at Nebraska?
Come on bro. That isn't going to come up and if it does, you'll think he is a striver trying to make up for his TTT alma mater. |
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Date: August 4th, 2015 9:49 AM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king not what I mean,
if you're in a bar, and you're leading with where you went to college
(if that college isn't playing a football game on the TV) I already think less of you
if you need to impress someone as being smart, you should try to do it with some sort of information other than, "I went to Cornell"
you can do it by having domain specific smart things to say
or by having domain specific accomplishments above and beyond attending a school and sitting in classes
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where someone went to school is a pretty weak indicator of how smart they are, regardless of name of the school
you're almost always better off slow playing your education, no matter what it is |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 3:13 PM Author: Unholy Ceo Immigrant TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28470056) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 3:09 PM Author: boyish property dingle berry there's a minor error in OP's reasoning about the SAT ranges: if 780 is the 75th percentile math score and 670 is the 75th percentile verbal score, 1450 is NOT going to be the 75th percentile combined score. the top math scorers don't have a 100% overlap with the top verbal scorers. 1450 is probably more like the top 10-15% of kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28470011) |
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Date: August 4th, 2015 10:27 AM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king sure, I'm working with imperfect information, if you have a better information source, it'd be a interesting addition to the thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28475530) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 3:12 PM Author: splenetic flushed plaza Illinois has literally one of the best EE and CS programs in the country. That's who is pushing up their numbers
also, 1400/2100 won't get you in an Ivy without AA, so probably Big Ten schools. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 3:13 PM Author: boyish property dingle berry wondered wtf was up with those math numbers, also the male-skewed gender ratio. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28470057) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 3:57 PM Author: Bronze Church Building t10 engineering school, arguably t5 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28470466) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 3:54 PM Author: Fragrant canary ape aren't they back to a 1600 scale? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28470423) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2015 3:57 PM Author: Bronze Church Building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2952819&forum_id=2#28470460) |
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Date: August 4th, 2015 10:26 AM Author: odious rusted sneaky criminal philosopher-king "also, 1400/2100 won't get you in an Ivy without AA, so probably Big Ten schools. "
that's why the tipping point is interesting
if the tipping point is low 1400s then difference between Ivy and top of the Big 10 is real signal
the higher that tipping point goes, the weaker the signal becomes, if the tipping point is something like 1480, most of the signal is "has rich parents" which for most life endeavors, is mostly noise |