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Date: December 1st, 2005 6:53 PM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den http://p066.ezboard.com/fnypdrant64609frm1.showMessage?topicID=21296.topic
pwn3d! |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 7:09 PM Author: sable community account oh my.
they make the Aryan nation or even PETA seem reasonable. |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 7:40 PM Author: Emerald Church Building I don't really get what they're upset about. The article made the cop-killer look like a total loser. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4432971) |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 8:02 PM Author: Twinkling Forum Mad Cow Disease They are stupid and probably didn't actually read the article. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4433170) |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 9:10 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church I think not knowing how to read is a requirement at the NYPD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4433773) |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 7:57 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church Wow. If I were a lib., I'd sue these guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4433123) |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 7:59 PM Author: Plum base two subpoenas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4433143) |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 9:14 PM Author: wine double fault STFU (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4433829) |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 9:24 PM Author: Cheese-eating irradiated headpube "ive been banging those liberals pigz for years. nothing new, they come to traffic court and lose and they leave while i smile."
Do they have some other meaning of "banging" in mind? |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 9:26 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church These guys are fucking idiots. I was able to track down the personal info for one of the main antagonists through a search. now what? Do I send it to internal affairs or the US Attorney for SDNY? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4433997) |
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Date: December 1st, 2005 9:36 PM Author: Cheese-eating irradiated headpube Might as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4434074) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:02 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den Assuming you're just threatening this stuff, in a public forum like this, you could be sued under 42 USC 1983 by pretty much anyone in the NY area who actively publishes political views.
Assuming you're actually engaging in these "summons wars", it's a federal crime.
their knowledge of law surpasses any law students |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:17 AM Author: Pearly Heady Field Sandwich dont you think that poster dogbert is probably the very same dogbert who posted on this thread? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4437680) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:19 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den oh, good call (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4437686) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:00 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den they're already on IA's radar. they're morons and they will soon meet their match. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4437579) |
Date: December 1st, 2005 9:19 PM Author: trip unholy halford http://www.littlegeneva.com/images/Democratic%20Seal.jpg
Nice to see the boys-in-blue kickin' a little commie ass! |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:19 AM Author: Primrose Regret you're right, republicans never complain about anything such as AA, welfare, social security, school prayer, Janet Jackson's titty, gay marriage, liberals, blah blah blah. Fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464023) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:04 AM Author: hilarious dun range queen of the night can someone explain to me why those cops are all up in arms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4437603) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:05 AM Author: soggy foreskin They are retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4437611) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:06 AM Author: hilarious dun range queen of the night no, i mean what article in the ny times got them all pissed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4437617) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:20 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den theyre just hard guys. if someone fucks with them then anyone who associates with them is a target. they also hate the times because its "liberal" and cops hate liberal people.
shit like this is why i left the NYPD. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:29 PM Author: twisted point I think they were pissed by the article title "Police Fired Fatal Shot, Murder Suspect Says in Jail" since most people dont read articles, but do read headlines if i were a NYPD Ofiicer i would be pissed by that headline, also the article acuses the police of beating him up (which i hope they did) but the point is you have most of the NYC papers praising the "hero cop" who died, and then you have the Times interviewing the cop killer and writing about how he was framed.
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:30 PM Author: sable community account yeah they should have used another headline. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439820) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:34 PM Author: Emerald Church Building I can see how it would be interpreted like that, but I don't think that the article was asserting he was framed or beaten. It just said that the suspect made those claims, and included a lot of very damaging information about him. Frankly, I thought it made him look like a lying piece of crap.
The headline was probably not a good choice, though. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:37 PM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den cops only read the NY Post. Post: 6th grade reading level. Times: 12th grade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439885) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:44 PM Author: twisted point why dont we take it easy on the cops who dont have a great job or great pay. We all need the cops so we should show some gratitude to them, and let them hate Times in peace. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439936) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:45 PM Author: stirring carnelian brunch weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439944) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:47 PM Author: Titillating Arrogant Home Half-breed Because they want to rape you with a plunger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439964) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:57 PM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den we do need cops but we dont need their shitty long island attitudes. the cops who are not posting at NYPD rant are actually good, hard working people who care about the city. they should be respected but these shitbags should be mocked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4440051) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 6:53 PM Author: Cheese-eating irradiated headpube The Goodtimes78 guy advocates selectively ticketing NYT employees as a means of revenge: http://p066.ezboard.com/fnypdrant64609frm1.showMessage?topicID=21296.topic
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:28 AM Author: soggy foreskin http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/01/nyregion/01suspect.html
Article seems reasonable to me. The jailed guy seems like a loser. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:30 AM Author: Learning Disabled Cream Mediation Hilarious. Check the dogbert troll thread on there. He is engaging them on a high (if trollish) level, and they respond by saying they hope the cops in vegas roughed his grandmother up and saying he takes it up the ass.
new york's finest indeed. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:36 AM Author: multi-colored locale feces Someone needs to post Tubgirl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4437770) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 12:48 PM Author: Learning Disabled Cream Mediation The jackasses have discovered this thread
http://p066.ezboard.com/fnypdrant64609frm1.showMessage?topicID=21362.topic
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:36 PM Author: vermilion theater stage this is becoming so meta (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439874) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 2:04 PM Author: Plum base I like the one where the guy breaks down career trajectories by percent...70% slip and fall etc. It's fun to see somebody who's idea of the legal profession doesn't even have the concept of BIGLAW in it.
That said, I used to have a pretty healthy respect for cops for all the shit they have to see every day. The NYPD board makes them look like bitter 11 year old girls. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 12:49 PM Author: concupiscible ratface plaza Couldn'ta happened to a nicer bunch of shitty "journalists." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439519) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 12:55 PM Author: startling passionate gaming laptop parlor Cops are fuckin idiots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439544) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:05 PM Author: frozen submissive jewess university Yep.
Nature of the job though. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:15 PM Author: demanding orchid bbw kitchen i only wish more heroes had gone into the WTC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439666) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:21 PM Author: sable community account lol, this board should go to war with their board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439719) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:24 PM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den lol
Re: FOR: Dogbert345 and Bigtard ---READ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are some trolls and crap stirrers here but the stuff posted at that site is unreal. This is the most prestigious law school discussion in the world, these are the future lawyers? No where in our screwed up rants do we talk about doing drugs, driving drunk, etc... Makes you wonder how many lines the lawyer standing next to you on a criminal trial did before he walked into court that morning. I think the bar should adopt its own dole testing, if you're going to be arguing the law you may as well be following it. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:25 PM Author: sable community account oh no! drinking and drugs! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439782) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:31 PM Author: Titillating Arrogant Home Half-breed They should fucking talk. How many times have NYPD tools gotten busted for shit. Either they're dirty or they're raping people's ass with plungers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439830) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:32 PM Author: sable community account why dont you go over there and flame them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439836) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:32 PM Author: Titillating Arrogant Home Half-breed Too lazy to spend my time wallowing in the shit with those blue collar losers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439841) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:34 PM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den i do that all the time, its pretty amusing but their lack of any intellect whatsoever makes it predictable and boring.
but starting threads like "Moving to NYC, is it true Long Island is full of white trash scum?" always gives an occational laugh. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:35 PM Author: sable community account How about: I love New York, but Jets fans are such faggots and communists! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439868) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 1:37 PM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den J-E-T-S FAGS FAGS FAGS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4439891) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 3:09 PM Author: Titillating Arrogant Home Half-breed Oh NO they didn't! Now they're talking shit about lawyers. We need to fuck their shit up!
http://p066.ezboard.com/fnypdrant64609frm1.showMessage?topicID=21362.topic |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 6:51 PM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den the thread that started it all!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4443366) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2005 6:53 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church I was thinking that exact thing when I opened it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4443385) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 11:37 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Trolling on NYPD Rant My apologies for the intrusion onto your board but I feel it warranted and necessary under the circumstances. To the many legitimate posters that contibuted to this thread, please ignore. I'm posting this specifically for knobjob dogbert and NYPD imposter. You are three immature children, grow up. It is very insensitive to start your little troll wars on NYPD Rant when many people on that site have just lost a colleague, are upset and it is where people post their frustrations and feelings. As a retired police officer, I find it disheartening that such ignorant people may actually become lawyers. You are what gives the legal profession a bad name. A little side note to you three scholars. My cousin, along with being the son of a retired NYC police officer was the Dean of Admissions to St. John's Law School. If your law school applications are as well written, thought out and researched as your posts, good luck you'll need it. You will make an easy day of it for opposing counsel. Here is my reply to dogbert from NYPD Rant. "Dogbreath? Knows nothing... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dogbreath you are a clueless imbecile, low IQ, and the one with a poor education and low salary. I can't speak for anyone else on the Rant but I did go to college. My roommates are two medical doctors and a very successful lawyer, with his own practice. Your political affiliation means nothing to me. Your words and actions speak volumes, though. You choose to interlope on a website that has nothing to do with you. There are plenty of lawyers making half of top pay for a police officer in NYC, not withstanding the complaints that NYPD police officers are underpaid in comparison to adjoining jurisdictions. I also know plenty of cops that are lawyers. There would be no criminal justice system without police, fool. Just as there would be no criminal justice system without court officers, court clerks, lawyers, judges, juries, court stenographers. All play a vital part. The law is pliable and open to interpretation and therefore imperfect. Within the flawed criminal justice system far more abuses are committed intentionally with full knowledge either by over zelous prosecutor's offices witholding evidence or defense attorneys bringing forth scurrilous lies and allegations they know for a fact to be untrue. In either case, a miscarriage of justice occurs, guilty go free and the innocent are permanently damaged. As for the summons war. You stated "If they were doing this with the intent to systematically persecuate individuals who had expressed certain political beliefs or engaged in protected speech, yes, it would be criminally illegal, under the civil rights act of 1964. " There is talk, and there is action. I'm sure I've been at the New York Times more frequently than you, since my father worked there. Most of the blue collar workers have more advanced degrees than the reporters. Go into the cafeteria and do your own poll. Find out how many members of the typographical union have master's degrees or doctorates to go along with their lifetime jobs, and make more than the reporters. Most have never received a ticket from a NYC police officer, ever. You'd have to prove the individual that committed a traffic violation or infraction was issued a summons for a reason other than that they committed the offense. Good luck proving that, when you can't make a valid argument here on NYPD Rant against your supposed intellectual inferiors. Personally, I believe the poster who called for the summons war did so because he was unhappy with one particular reporter from one particular paper that gave an attention seeking murderer the spotlight before an American hero was laid to rest. The poster, unlike you, is very upset about losing Det Dillon Stewart at the hands of the mutant and was venting. He is entitled to his opinion, and has every right to express his frustrations. Take a little gander at the Bill of Rights. Along with freedom of the press you'll see freedom of speech, which is afforded to all, not just those that have no respect for dead heroes whose families still mourn. Drop the lawbook and look up rant in the dictionary if you are unfamiliar with the term."
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 11:39 AM Author: concupiscible ratface plaza WTF is St. John's law school? Is that accredited? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448208) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 11:53 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: St.Johns Do an internet search if you mean that as a serious question and aren't being sarcastic. I make no recommendations on any specific law school and don't normally frequent this site. The more prestigious degree may open more doors and help make connections, but the person behind the degree ultimately is the arbiter of long term success in any profession. Good luck. http://new.stjohns.edu/academics/graduate/law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448229) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 11:56 AM Author: concupiscible ratface plaza Holy crap, I shall transfer from Harvard immediately! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448238) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 11:45 AM Author: galvanic haunted graveyard "You are what gives the legal profession a bad name."
And your fucking board is run by a dirty cop who has been convicted and fired by the department. Not to mention all the uneducated low lifes that populate your board who get their kicks by abusing their "power".
"A little side note to you three scholars. My cousin, along with being the son of a retired NYC police officer was the Dean of Admissions to St. John's Law School. If your law school applications are as well written, thought out and researched as your posts, good luck you'll need it."
I think having a pulse is a larger requirement to getting into St. John's than anything else. That place is a fucking shithole full of low-end students. I'm sure valen2 can corroborate this.
"You will make an easy day of it for opposing counsel."
Highly doubtful, considering about 1% of this board will ever see the inside of a courtroom shortly after passing the bar. And even then, "opposing counsel" is full of TTT grads who we mock just as much as we mock the unwashed masses at NYPD Rant.
In short: pwn3d
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:11 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Degree from Harvard Since the current NYPD Police Commissioner has a degree from Harvard as well as many other low brow neanderthals, you're entitled to your elitist attitude. I have no problems with the school, and have friends that llecture there. Harvard is an Ivy League school, obviously. An idiot from Harvard whose only merit for admission being parents who are alumni will most likely get an interview before some other more deserving candidate from a less prestigious institution. When it's sink or swim time, the person's skill and knowledge will be of upmost importance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448298) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:13 PM Author: galvanic haunted graveyard Learn how to use the quote function properly, buddy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448307) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:55 PM Author: concupiscible ratface plaza Harvard is an Ivy League school?? Chalk that up as the second thing I've learned today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448491) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:59 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Education Gee, what more could you possibly learn in one day. Why not educate the unenlightened masses with your wisdom oh sarcastic one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448514) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:39 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: NYPD Rant Moderator Order of the Queef "And your fucking board is run by a dirty cop who has been convicted and fired by the department. Not to mention all the uneducated low lifes that populate your board who get their kicks by abusing their "power". "
What evidence do you have that the moderator of NYPD Rant is a "dirty cop" convicted in any civil or criminal court? If you are familiar with his case, he was convicted in a department trial, referred to as a kangaroo court. He was fired only after working 18 year, vesting with department approval and the PCs wrath of fury was awakened upon the moderator getting approved for a disability pension for a work related injury. The true reason he was fired was because like most whistleblower statutes, it doesn't keep the person in position of power, the PC in this case, from firing the person without that position of power and authority. The PC was embarassed that the moderator after several attempts to point out security weaknesses and breaches within the department, went outside the department. His intention was to protect the public, the police and he lost his source of income and is paying for his actions as a result. I won't comment on the idiotic posts by police imposters of alleged improprieties. If you are legitimately concerned, you will find 99% is fabricated stories. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:57 PM Author: galvanic haunted graveyard If what is on your board is true, he flaunted security measures at precincts by using fake ID and fake bombs in backpacks. These were hardly reasonable actions to take as an 18-year veteran. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448497) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:33 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Reaonable actions Order, I can tell you I worked security details pre 9-11 and there was no security. It was very frustrating, knowing as a member of the security detail that there was no adequate safety for the people I was being paid to protect. I didn't have the necessary tools, and proper measures weren't in place, to provide any real security. I often thought about how easily the facilities could be attacked. This was after the first, less successful World Trade Center attack. Many cops will disagree with me, but there are far stricter security measures in place than 5 yerars ago. Even so there is a lot of smoke and mirrors to give the public the illusion of security right now. I won't get into them on a public forum. The moderator easily infiltrated all of them, at his own personal expense of career and financial stability. His story, a very troubling one, has yet to be told. The Police Commissioner tried to buy his silence through promotion, threats and intimidation and he couldn't be bought, even with the loss of his job and food in his children's mouths. I, personally, do not think I'd have that degree of integrity, when my family is threatened with financial ruin. He did and pays the price. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448781) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 11:48 AM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church thank you for your inquiry. Unfortunately, I am not able to reply at this time to poorly written diatribes written by individuals who do not understand the concept of a paragraph. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448219) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 11:50 AM Author: galvanic haunted graveyard Its form is eerily remniscent of the shit-eater story. Could it be the work of the same evil genius? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448222) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:03 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Diatribes Dogbert, I'm not getting into a flame war with you on this or any other site. If you think someone making a threat about shooting the president is equal to a supposed police officer alleging a summons war, there is no arguing the point. Talk is talk, nothing more. If in deed someone took it upon themselves to start a "summons war" it would be foolish, ill advised and wrong. I said as much on the thread before you chose to enter the fray. Go back to attempting to impress people here with your charming wit and barbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448258) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:06 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church "Talk is talk, nothing more."
In some cases the talk can constitute an act in an official capacity which has the effect of "chilling" the expression of first-amendment rights.
Much to my surprise, I have actually been contacted this morning (on a saturday, no less) by a rep. of the US Attorneys office for the SDNY about the complaint that I sent to them yesterday morning. They wanted names, and unfortunately I couldn't give any, so it doesn't look like it's going anywhere.
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Also, as I've mentioned repeatedly, several officers alluded to having actually engaged in these summons wars in the past - they admitted prior criminal behavior. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:23 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Seriously Dogbert do you have any evidence anybody actually did what was suggested? I think you will find no evidence whatsoever to support this "summons war" of words. Every few weeks such nonsense is posted on NYPD Rant. Usually the poster isn't even a police officer, since anyone can post. This gives a rather slanted view of the NYC police, just as this thread might give a negative opinion of potential lawyers. Your report should be taken seriously, if there were any validity or truth to it, no question. The real issue is the article and its timing. I read it. It does nothing to bolster the alleged murderer's case. I believe it was insensitive to post the article before the officer was even buried. It will have no bearing on my reading the New York Times and I never wrote a Times employee a summons, knowingly. I don't believe in "activist" judges or police officers that use the law to fulfill their own personal agenda or vendetta. Unfortunately, it speaks to the character of the individual, yet the profession is denegrated in the process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448339) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:37 PM Author: comical reading party This seems quite reasonable; however, don't you think that there's something intrinsicially unwise about officers posting something directly related to their job on that forum?
You'll find ludicrous trash of all stripes and colors on this site, but I doubt that you can find one instance where somebody boasts about violating attorney-client privilege to further a crime-- and even if somebody did that, many would immediately bash him or her for it. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:54 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church "I doubt that you can find one instance where somebody boasts about violating attorney-client privilege to further a crime"
Precisely. There's no instance of that.
People allude to past crimes, but they are usually outside the statute of limitations, or sufficiently ill-descript to be taken seriously as a jumping-point for investigation. However, the threats on the Rant board are VERY specific and quite credible and allude to ongoing behavior. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:56 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Truth and Accuracy "don't you think that there's something intrinsicially unwise about officers posting something directly related to their job on that forum? " Absolutely, in regards to illegal or unethical activity. It makes the job of a police officer more difficult, if people even have the perception that there is some massive unwarranted illegal summons war. I'd also prefer the NY Times post an important story about suppressing crime statistics in NYC but Mike Bloomberg is the Mayor and has close ties to this "impartial", "unbiased" and "ethical" newspaper. However, I'm aware that many of the posters are not and never have been police officers. The casual observer is unaware and takes the posts at face value. It is a public forum but people cloaked in anonymity post irresponsible, untrue accounts on the site all the time. More sickening and unprofessional are the racial, ethnic, gender, sexual preference comments that appear on all such boards. This thread has disparaging remarks about homosexuals, for example. Definitely not the type person I'd want working with me, for me, alongside me or representing my profession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448495) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:02 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church Your defense seems to be that the culprits are lying and or are not police officers, but unfortunately the evidence suggests otherwise (there's photographic evidence of at least minor levels of corruption posted all over there); and it would be ridiculous to conclude that none of the culprits are officers (in light of their extensive knowledge of the NYPD, apparent personal acquaintance with other posters, and volume of posts).
This may be a personal preference thing, but racial, ethnic, gender, and sexual preference comments bother me a lot less than alleged corruption within a major law enforcement organization. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 2:02 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Corruption and Bias I'm not sure what you mean about photographic evidence of wrongdoing? Did any fool cut and paste a picture of a summons he/ she gave someone BECAUSE of their profession and stated so? That would be proof along with their ISP to id them. Did it ever occur to you that one moron has 3, 4 , 5 different screen names to support their stories? Regardless of whether they are or are not a cop. I'm sure some are indeed cops, hiding their irresponsible posts under a veil of anonymity. I only know a few people personally that post on the board. They aren't all cops. I'm also not disputing corruption exists anywhere. It exists everywhere, in every profession. I do not mean this as an insult, but you may be very niave, as far as the inner workings of IAB. Most cops wish IAB was effective at weeding out corruption, had competent investigators, weren't afraid of bad press if they found actual corruption, instead of worrying about who is wearing a seatbelt, hat or white socks. That time would be better spent investigating corruption. The perception of racism, ethnic, gender, and sexual persuasion while posting as a cop does trouble me more than an allegation of summons wars, because that in action and deeds will be much more damaging than a parking ticket for a violation committed. Do you have any idea that would affect a woman, a homosexual, a or someone else in a hostile work environment? What about the public at large? I'm not trying to get into a disagreement on semantics, especially on a law related site. You have your pet peeves, which have merit and concern you, as do I. Crimes and misdemeanors concern me more than someone's motive for issuing a summons for an infraction that was committed. Guess what, every cop that writes a ticket has a motive and you can't yet legislate thought in the USA. I acknowledge there is a problem if a cop says I'm going to summons communists today and cabdrivers tomorrow because that is exclusionary and wrong. My motivation might have been this guy denies going through the red light, has no license, registration, insurance and doesn't rely on a license for his livelihood. I'll give him the summons and let the guy that says I'm sorry I didn't stop in time, has all his paperwork, or was daydreaming a free pass even though he committed the same offense. Discretion isn't always easy to interpret. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4449061) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:52 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church I can't tell if you're an actual cop. You sound too smart to be one of the guys from the Rant.
Anyway:
Yes, I've got some evidence. The post itself constitutes an admission and is evidence. Further evidence can be turned up with some investigation, i.e., subpeona to find out who is making the posts, interviewing them, looking over any patterns in their ticket-writing behavior, interviewing their comrades, etc. It's resource-intensive, no doubt, but police corruption should be one the highest-priority crimes to be investigated. Just like any investigation or case, you might turn some stuff up that is sufficient to bring charges, or you might not.
There's a seperate issue which is that the summons war, if it exists, is in fact a crime. But beyond that, threatening a summons war, or conspiring one, may actually be a crime as well depending on how credible the threats are, and how legit the conspiring is. In that case, it is not necessary to prove that the summons war has actually occurred.
The bottom line is that I don't think you can make a case out of this, but it is a good opportunity to use investigation of a potential crime to gain some recon on a possible criminal organization or group of corrupt Officer's w/in the NYPD. I'm not talking about the Rant, per se, but rather a certain subset of posters on there who have repeatedly alluded to criminal activities that they have engaged in. (I've done a pretty extensive search of the site, and I have actually found several instances that are significantly more concerning than the summons war...). |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:19 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Summons Wars Dogbert, I can assure you I'm a regular poster on NYPD Rant. Too bad Snopes wasn't required on all public boards. I try not to get into flame wars, because it serves no purpose. When I do, since admittedly this happens, it's usually with posters who claim to be police that I suspect are not. I have, indeed read things far more troubling than anything involving a summons war. I've never seen one of these wars actually occur, though. Just like the PD vs FD rivalry. I never had a problem with a fireman in my life, and many are former cops. Would a NY Times reporter who parks his car in discounted off street Kinney parking lot get a parking ticket? No. Would he hand his Press card to an officer after running a red light, I doubt it. Most members of the press only have one vehicle with press plates. As for police corruption, it is no different than corruption in the court system or the government. It exists at the highest levels, is never exposed, and sacrificial lambs are thrown to the wolves so the public and press don't look for the real more troubling story. Comp-stat is a perfect example. The average citizen that walks a "safe" street and gets killed is the real victim, moreso than the street cop that is unable to do anything about crimes being watered down and unreported by supervisors at the behest of the Commissioner. On a completely separate issue, which another poster brought up here, I never saw a plunger in a filthy rat infested police bathroom in my life. I believe Mr Louima was understandably confused about the wooden torture device used, which was more likely a nightstick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448675) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:30 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church Corruption exists everywhere, yes, but there are degrees. Within the NYPD, and most major law enforcement org.'s in the US, it is my opinion that it has gone too far.
And there's plenty that can be done about it... the easiest thing to do as a first step would be to increase the educational requirements and pay for officers. There's relatively low corruption within the FBI, for instance.
Additionally, a reduction in the number of LEO's (there are far, far, far too many), would make it easier to monitor them.
What needs to occur is a cultural shift, wherein this type of stuff is viewed as SO unacceptable that upon hearing about it, other officers immediatley report it (either anonymously or not) to IA or a civillian oversight board. It is difficult to institute such a cultural shift, but not impossible. Simply giving officers an additional 12 weeks of training in civil rights laws, and why they are important - perhaps taught by a law professor - would help to make this cultural shift a possibility.
Of course, a pre-requisite for all of this is ensuring that officers have the basic education and intellect necessary to really grasp important societal issues. I have heard (from a US District Court Opinion that investigated the issue) that there was a time when anyone with an IQ over 115 was automatically disqualified from entering the NYPD. That's pitiful. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 4:57 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Improving corruption "the easiest thing to do as a first step would be to increase the educational requirements and pay for officers. There's relatively low corruption within the FBI, for instance." dogbert there is a great deal of corruption in the FBI, specifically abuse of power, subverting the constitution, framing people. Is it systemic? No, but it exists. The NYPD raised the educational requirement to 60 college credits yet LOWERED the starting salary to $25,100. Makes no sense, whatsoever. I'm sorry but intelligence is not equivalent to or measured by a 2 year degree. The entrance exam was engineered so a functional illiterate could pass the exam in the 80s. No IQ test was ever given, or is currently given to enter the NYPD so the story about the 115 IQ cutoff is not true. I think the low end IQ should be cutoff at 86, but that would be discrimination. I disagree with the need for less police or law enforcement in American society to combat corruption. We need them redeployed, perhaps. I'm not sure what your exposure to different professions are but smaller insular departments have more insidious pervasive problems that are under the readar and go unchecked. NYC is a liberal bastion with the NYPD under a microscope. Small towns have big problems that go unnoticed. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:19 PM Author: dark disgusting coffee pot "I've done a pretty extensive search of the site, and I have actually found several instances that are significantly more concerning than the summons war...)."
Can you offer some examples? I'm banned and though I could probably just change my IP (assuming it's an IP ban) I'd rather have a nice concise summary. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:23 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church Police brutality, planting of evidence to strengthen a case. These are the worst I saw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448702) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:25 PM Author: dark disgusting coffee pot fucking hell, they openly talk about that shit? That would be like Renada talking about how craftily he is able to double bill after learning a few tricks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448718) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:31 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church It would be more like Renada talking about how he defrauded a court by presenting them with a fake court-order from another court, and later that day told a client a case had only settled for 10K when it had settled for 30K, and he pocketed the rest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448765) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:34 PM Author: dark disgusting coffee pot Wow, Renada's a real sonofabitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448788) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:36 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church To clarify - I'm not saying R said that, just that it would be the equiv. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448797) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:42 PM Author: dark disgusting coffee pot yeah, that would be tame for him. I heard he once kicked ray borque's dog. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448863) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 4:01 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Dogbert, I have seen far worse and it isn't stories on the Rant. I'm not attacking or generalizing here, but what I have seen lawyers and judges do in a courtroom, in their offices, in their chambers is more disturbing when someone's freedom is at stake. Respecting constitutional law is something I feel quite strongly about. As a self described conservative Republican, how do you feel about the Patriot Act enacted by a Republican controlled government? As to abuses specific to the criminal justice system, I'll give you a real life example where I assisted the pro bono defense. A kid gets arrested on an unconstitutional car stop/ search and seizure. Instead of dismissing the case it gets plead down to possession for the passenger who had two joints in his pocket, and the driver was cited for an equipment violation, no headlights (during daylight in a 2005 auto) when the judge knew this case arose from an illegal carstop and the case should be dismissed. Fruit from a rotten tree. We don't live in a perfect world. I chose not to work with certain people because I had to live with my own actions and those witnessed in my presence. I wish every person, especially in law did their absolute best, since human lives are at stake. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4450002) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:20 PM Author: comical reading party Look, I disagree with much of what you say, but you bring an interesting perspective to the table.
Stick around and post some more. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:13 PM Author: sable community account I agree that nitpicking the constitutional issues behind making threats is pretty silly.
But look at your board - 80% of the posters advocate and seem to brag about using physical violence above the call of duty. You have a thread praising Alito - a great judge and lawyer - but why? Because he said it would be okay to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back?
Where does on develop this violence loving, tough guy attitude? Is it an extension of the high school bully getting a badge and gun to make himself legit, and not changing his ways?
And for the love of god, stop talking about the "REAL LAW OF THE STREET". The system is in place for a reason, and you do your job like the other cogs, whether of not you get to have a gun.
Finally, criminal law is not the only law in the nation - its important, but makes up only a small part of what lawyers learn, and very few choose to deal with. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 2:11 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Alito I didn't read the Alito thread, it doesn't interest me. Supreme Court appointees are political appointees regardless the administration. Is the best candidate ever chosen? No it's the one with the least distinguished ambiguos track record found, otherwise it's shot down for ideological reasons. As far as shooting someone in the back it's always been legally within reason if the person is shooting at someone and you are behind them. Been there. Experienced it. Macho attitudes, and bs tales of bravado or personas come with certain jobs, maybe a defense mechanism to fit in. I'm not Freud. NYPD Rant is about the NYPD, henceforth the preoccupation with criminal law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4449160) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 2:14 PM Author: sable community account http://p066.ezboard.com/fnypdrant64609frm1.showMessage?topicID=21549.topic
Take a look at the Alito thread - takes 2 min.
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 4:19 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Against my better judgment... I'll check it out but I'm guessing it's something ridiculous. 99% of cops never have fired their gun in their entire career. Even on NYPD Rant, I'd imagine there are only a dozen or so posters out of 1000 posters that have. I have personally used deadly physical force, I don't want to be misrepresenting my own experience. A fleeing felon can be shot anywhere, if there are mitigating factors, like he is using deadly force at the time. The NYPD did away with shooting fleeing felons, warning shots decades ago. Most recently, I believe the Son of Sam exclusion, where the officer knows the particular felon is dangerous, has killed in the past and will kill in the future (extremely rare case to begin with) if not caught, was the only possible exception is no longer taught at the Academy. I'm not certain of this. I will add that from a police standpoint it is extremely frustrating when a wanted murderer takes off in a car and you can't pursue them, can't shoot them when they have committed and will commit murder again. I have experienced this, so it isn't case law, decisions, or a second hand account I've read. These guys usually kill again before being caught but that is the price of living in our republic under the constitution. Police don't like to be rendered completely powerless in such circumstances. What I read on the post will certainly be tinged with this reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4450206) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 5:02 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Fleeing Felon OK, I read the Readers Digest version of Alitos decision and the one response, by someone with 16 posts. His reaction or opinion changes nothing about New York State justification, it was in refence to Tennessee. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4450554) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 12:22 PM Author: frozen submissive jewess university When did the OP on the Cop board get taken down?
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:05 PM Author: Geriatric chartreuse deer antler church very recently I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448554) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:06 PM Author: Puce menage boistinker Subject: LoL rocksteady Registered User Posts: 1 (12/3/05 13:01) Reply | Edit NYPD = embarassment to America -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This thread is hilarious.
All of the rejects from Police Academy, Steve Guttenberg and Bubba Smith and the guy who sounds like a Submarine are banding together to fight off that "troll" dogbert, who is a troll only because he says big words that greasy wop daygo New Yawker urban imbeciles cannot compute. He has not said a single thing that was self-aggrandizing (for you stupid daygo catholic hairy gorilla beat officers that means he hasn't stroked his own @#%$) you've merely felt insecure around his intellect to the point that you believe he was stroking his @#%$ in your face.
Jesus christ, now I know why New York is such a @#%$ filthy festering pile of criminal @#%$, we've got you dumbass gorillas walking the beat.
Here's some Liberal Atheist Communist Terr'ist truth for you : YOU'RE OUR HIRED HELP, YOU'RE NOT A FOOTBALL TEAM, YOUO'RE SERVANTS OF THE PUBLIC, SO SHUT THE @#%$ UP, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE OPINIONS. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:40 PM Author: laughsome coiffed rehab private investor Holy shit!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4448846) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 1:47 PM Author: galvanic haunted graveyard This post was even better when I read it in the same fashion that Bebop from Ninja Turtles might have said it.
"I'll get you toitles!" |
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Date: December 3rd, 2005 2:11 PM Author: comical reading party "the guy who sounds like a Submarine..."
I like this. |
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Date: December 4th, 2005 11:17 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Knobgob self-loathing latent homosexual? Knobgob, it is none of my business what consenting adults do, but your preoccupation with homosexual sex acts and scat is unhealthy. Does anonymity on a public board give you something akin to beer balls? You'll say things with impunity that would have you gagging on your own tongue and defecating in your pants if you had to do them in person to a person half your scrawny size and age? You can be proud of yourself, posting your vile comments on a board that represents a heroic man that chased a murderer with a bullet that pierced his heart, and has a family including two small African American girls that won't see their father for Christmas, currently grieving. Their brave father died doing something youd never have the courage to do, serve someone other than yourself. I feel sorry for the person that spawned you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463491) |
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Date: December 4th, 2005 11:45 PM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker Why in the hell do you bother to mention the fallen dude's kids are black? I'm not sure at all how that's relevant to the point you're trying to make. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463703) |
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Date: December 4th, 2005 11:56 PM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Point??? The point is there is NO POINT to a bunch of childish immature insensitive trolls posting over the official notifications for the officer's funeral and fund for his two small children. Since the same people on this board seem to be preoccupied with race as in "white trash" making anti-gay, anti-immigrant jokes it is a disgrace to do so when the officer in question is black and an immigrant. If you think disgracing a hero and his family is appropriate behavior, you are a shit heel. For example I mentioned Tookie, the soon to be executed 4 times convicted murderer killed neither white New Yorkers or police officers. He killed four real members of a community, all with real families. The victims and their families are not white NYC cops that this moron thinks he's bashing. Who'd expect a troll to have common sense or intelligence, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463800) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:06 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker WTF does this have to do w/ my question...You're reasoning skills belie your station in life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463890) |
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Date: December 4th, 2005 11:55 PM Author: Titillating Arrogant Home Half-breed What's funny is how opportunistic cops take advantage of an officer's death to shut down speech that annoys them. Your complaint might have some merit if you were also complaining about those that are over there posting about holiday trees, the war on xmas, and union issues.
Congrats on using the death of an officer for your own purposes. |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:02 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: knobgob and knobgobbler Being a rude, insensitive pompous ass has nothing to do with a quest to "shut down speech". If you had anything worthwhile to post, I challenge you to post it here or on your own no holds barred free speech chatroom. This thread was started because someone didn't like someone's free speech in reference to a summons war. Funny how your speech is the only speech you are concerned with protecting. Posting about Mumia, who murdered a Philadelphia polic officer in cold blood on a website with details about a recently departed NYC police officer is the height of disrespect. You know it. The only sacred cows are you and your family of inbred nitwits, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463846) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:09 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker Hmmm... One of our posters gets angry when he sees cops openly talking about abusing their power (by singling out the NY Times for ticketing). He tries to engage you guys in an open debate about how that's fucked up, you guys slam lawyers... We counter by abusing our power to fuck up your website mercilessly and show you to be the mental midgets you are, and now you have the nerve to bitch? Oh well... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463931) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:14 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: mental midgets Dirty heel, you and your ilk combined don't have a combined IQ of a dull normal individual combined. What grade did you get booted out of school? Third grade? You should have boned up on some English Lit classes before you started posing as a literate college student. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463979) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:20 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker Hmm, guess someone isn't up on internet informality...
To repeat: I care very little what you guys think about us, our message board, or our chosen profession. Enjoy being a poor working-class peon for the rest of your life while I make hundreds of grand as a 25 year old single white boy...
There isn't a damn thing you could have to say to me that won't erase the fact that you get shot at for a meager living and I shuffle paper for ridiculous cash... and that fact means I will not be injured by anything else you've got in that tiny little arsenal of wit and vocabulary you're packing...stick to the glock asshole. |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:31 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: You guys? Dirty heel are you saying you have graduated high school, college, law school, are 25 and financially self sufficient? Don't assume I'm busting my ass and get shot for peanuts. I did play cops and robbers sans the Glock, and enjoyed it, or I wouldn't have done it. I'd gladly compare after tax salaries and liquid assets with you since you are full of sh!t. I was well on my way to retirement in my mid twenties. I never came on here to bash alleged lawyer wannabees. Matter of fact, I still haven't and won't. Rash generalizations about any legitimate profession is baseless and idiotic. If, indeed, you actually worked for a living, you might take objection to someone coming on your chatroom after one of your coworkers, or employees in a firm were killed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464145) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:45 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker Actually, graduated highschool, college, business school and law school... but close. And yes, that is my age and financial situation...And no, I do assume you're busting your ass for peanuts. And after taxes I'm probably kicking your ass even harder, seeing as I'm a tax lawyer and all.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9153/dscn11072bv.jpg
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:02 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Wrong Nuff said. I believe you. You graduated college, business school, law school and are 25 to boot. With your grammar, spelling and punctuation, you'd have trouble getting seasonal employment at H&R Block. Good try, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464517) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:11 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker Thanks...but do you have any idea what lawyers pull down straight out of school? And no, finding gainful employment was pretty easy when you've got my dashing good looks, charming personality and impeccible credentials. And yes, word's spell check function is a godsend.
http://www.infirmation.com/shared/search/payscale-compare.tcl?city=Washington&usps_abbrev=DC |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:29 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: SWF? Gee, you're sounding better already, and I can't even master the edit function on this forum. Enough of this bs, I didn't come on the site to compare genitals or bank accounts. When I was 25 I probably made $60,000 and did get shot at for that salary, I shot back and live a comfortable life. Tax law would probably bore me to tears although I admit being fanatical about statistics. If you enjoy what you do as much as the money you make, great. I don't consider a Jamaican immigrant with a wife and two children that got killed a worthless peon. He died for something more than a paycheck. That is probably something you can't fathom or understand at this juncture of your life. I don't consider an eighteen year old kid that gets killed by a roadside bomb in Iraq a peon either. We'll have to agree to disagree on that point. When you are old and gray tell me if shuffling papers in your mid twenties was the crowning acheivement of your life. I hope there will be people and experiences you value far more, because otherwise you will have lived a rather meaningless and unfulfilling life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464826) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:40 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker Actually, I think we see more eye to eye than you realize. The elitist ranting and raving we've all been doing is shtick. I've no more interest in whether someone is a cop, a lawyer, a doctor or a janitor than you do... I generally have a great deal of respect for the military and law enforcement...but it drives me nuts to hear stories of abuse and corruption; and, The Rant was openly discussing engaging in widespread reprehensible targeting of the NYTimes... There are bad apples in every profession, but that board seems to be a haven for the worst from yours. They deserve what they got. And I think it speaks to the general class and restraint of the XOXO community (which does exist, if only in a perverse way), that even though we acted w/ great malice in expressing our grievences with your board, not once were the threads dedicated to your fallen officers desecrated. We do respect your profession, but it's hard to in light of the horrible PR the department has justifiably been subject to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464923) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 2:26 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Summons War...a paper tiger? I don't want to beat a dead horse, but as I've said every few weeks a summons war is declared for some insane reason. I reiterate, the Times story and the race baiting one that preceded it could still sell papers a day after this poor cop is laid to rest. I read the articles in question, if I were a defense attorney for this idiot I'd be starting a war with the Times. I have immediate family ties to the NY Times. In the many cases where I have no affiliation with whatever entity somebody declares a cyber summons war on the Rant, I call for reason. I know FOR A FACT that some of the people that start the summons war threads are not cops. This usually comes to light two or three days later. I also acknowledge some may be cops, and I'm not sure if they are serious or tongue in cheek. If I was a ballbuster, I could go on NYPD Rant and say Diddly Squat PD gave my step grand mother a mover when she produced a 1908 PBA card, and spit in her face. The war is on with Diidly Squat PD! Sometimes I think it is a troll starting crap and ill will between two departments. I reiterate, I never personally observed a "summons war" as initiated on NYPD Rant. Discretion is used in issuing summonses to begin with, so unless someone told the driver of a car "I gave you a ticket because you have blue eyes" it would be hard to divine the reason the ticket was issued, never mind bring a case to court. I will admit many times in the past people saying they'd get even with brownies, the name the Traffic Agents were given because of their dark brown jackets, before they were incorporated into the NYPD. They did and still do give marked and unmarked but clearly identified police cars parking tickets. I won't even get into that. Since I moved out of the city I gladly pay $25- $50 to a parking lot instead of having my car towed when I'm possibly violating one of six posted signs on a Manhattan street, none of which jibes with another. The only summons war, of any kind, that I saw was one cop that made a habit of ticketing the legally parked personal and department autos of firefighters and police in the 48 pct on the self enforcement zone street. Bear in mind people were stealing or breaking into our personal autos every day of the week. He issued over a 100 summonses a month when the quota (and there most definitely are quotas) was 25 parking tickets a month. He was sent to the 5th precinct and given a post where he could write cops in court tickets to his heart's content. I wouldn't get too up in arms about a post on NYPD Rant. If the police department has a rumor mill, the Rant is the rumor mill's rumor mill. I know reporters from the Times and where they park. It isn't on the street. The last time I made that mistake I needed two new locks on a brand new car, a block away from the Times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4465443) |
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Date: December 4th, 2005 11:55 PM Author: Frum violet school genital piercing Subject: Knobgob and Franklinp are bigots Knobgob and Franklinp, you guys are racist, and probably latent homosexuals. Why would you demean blacks and homosexuals. It has been my experience that the more liberal an individual he is, the more concerned he is about being able to control his environment.
Someone who lives life in a manner quite different that oneself represents a threat to that individual. The threat is a threat to the ego in the sense that one's own choices may prove not to be optimal; it is also a subconscious threat to one's security in the sense that the other may prove to be more successful.
Again, the threat here is an emotional one, not a real, tangible threat. And again, there's no real-world evidence to support it. But emotion is what drives the bigot.
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Date: December 4th, 2005 11:57 PM Author: Zombie-like amber main people Holy shit, this has got to be the post of the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463812) |
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Date: December 4th, 2005 11:59 PM Author: Titillating Arrogant Home Half-breed Latent homosexual? You need to read more of my posts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463824) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:07 AM Author: Frum violet school genital piercing Subject: Knobgobbler, I have read enough of your racist posts Don't worry Knobgobbler, you won't get raped.
The reason for the emotion is actually a primal instinct. When one examines the dominance-submission behaviors in other species, they often have sexual overtones, especially in other primate species. If a dominant male wants the food or mate posessed by a subordinate, he'll often bite the subordinate, causing him to yelp in pain and drop the food or the female, and then present his rump.
It is the presentation of the rump that is key here. It's saying to the dominant male and the rest of the troupe that the subordinant male is submissive and that the dominant male can have his way with him, regardless of the extent that may take. It's essentially a submission to rape, should the dominant male desire to do so.
It is that instinctual fear of rape that drives much of homophobia. Straight men often instinctually see gay men as a threat, and they instictively fear that threat. It's a fear of a loss of control, of dominance, of status.
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:04 AM Author: comical reading party "...probably latent homosexuals..."
you probably forgot the 'b' there; there is nothing 'latent' about knobgobbler's homosexuality.
also, i think that it is poor form to make fun of a man who was raped twice by two leather-bound studs, as well as being molested so hard that he learned to like it. |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:05 AM Author: Marvelous violent tattoo hell Holy shit! Where are you Dean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463879) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:18 AM Author: galvanic haunted graveyard Cooley. And he makes his own rankings of donut chains to piss off other ratings bitches like USNWR and Leiter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464016) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:07 AM Author: provocative persian hairy legs Sunstein? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463910) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:05 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den Subject: Attn: NYPD: Stop embarassing your department. Why are you even mentioning your fallen brother in this discussion. Believe me, I was a cop for 4 years, and i worked on the streets just like you, and i know what you're going through. but the whole point of being a cop is to uphold and protect the law. why you guys, in this moment of sorrow and reflection, chooise to advocate a policy that will upend the law that you're willing to die for in order to preserve is beyond me. when you say things like that you diminish the sacrifice of the hundreds of thousands who came before you. Those who have been killed in the line of duty deserve better. The NYPD deserves better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463875) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:09 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Jay read your own bs Jay either you are a liar, mentally challenged, or both. It was you, not I, that started the thread. You boast of going on NYPD Rant to stir shit. But get bored, as a result of your intellectual prowess. You claimed to be a cop in one breath than say all cops are idiots. Which is it? You can't have it both ways, Jay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463935) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:12 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker He was a cop... He quit b/c his coworkers were all idiots... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463957) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:13 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den i do start shit with you guys cuz i think you're all morons and generally jackasses. that's typical of what you see on any board called "rant". i loved being a PO but i hated the nypd. so i left and now i'm going to try something new. that's hardly having something both ways, douchebag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463964) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:19 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Jayspeak "i think you're all morons and generally jackasses" Again I say, read your own words. You were a cop and cops "are morons and generally jackasses". If you left after 4 years on the NYPD, I doubt it was voluntary, especially if you didn't have a backup plan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464024) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:23 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den my backup plan was getting in to columbia, getting a BA, and now going to law school. spending 4 years with conservative pricks from rockland county patroling the neighborhoods that i grew up in was not my idea of a good time. i think in general you are jackasses, and i saw the shit that my esteemed co-workers did all the time. for example, my partner wanted to stop and frisk a guy but didnt have any PC (he only partially fit the discription). so, what did my law enforcement buddy do? called 911 giving a false complaint that he saw the perp with a gun, then waited for it to go over the air and jumped on it. did he find a gun? no. did he find anything? no. shit like this makes me sick, so i left. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464066) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:29 AM Author: aqua school cafeteria international law enforcement agency Fitz, you are like xoxo's WMD versus the NYPD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464117) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:30 AM Author: Titillating Arrogant Home Half-breed It's almost unfair. So tie one hand behind your back to make it sporting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464137) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:36 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker The only part that bothers me is they're honestly too damn dumb to comprehend when they're getting pounded like a cheap hooker. Just look at their continuing to debate NYPD v LAPD and the donuts...the donuts for christ's sake! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464197) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:39 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den the donut thread is hilarious. i didn't realize that there was such anti-krispy kreme sentiment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464238) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:46 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker I know I'm from where KK originated... What's not to love? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464325) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:48 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: What did you do? Jay, your solution was to tolerate that bullshit? I don't know where you grew up. If you, indeed, grew up in NYC, I can't imagine you'd tolerating that. I saw the same thing and didn't take that shit and never worked with someone like that a second time. Unless things have changed for the worse, those type characters are 1-5 out of a 100. They get all the press, though. Those dirtbags are in every profession. Guess you aren't yet priivy to the stunts pulled by miscreant lawyers. As for working with someone that breaks or manipulates the law, they end up in jail and you would already be retired in law school. If you are happy, so be it. If your post is legit, you could have gotten a job at Columbia, and went to school there for free while working. If you are in law school choose your area of expertise wisely if money is a motivating factor, as there are plenty of unemployed, underemployed, and just getting by lawyers. The only difference between a crooked cop and a crooked lawyer is the cop may deprive them of their constitutional rights temporarily while a crooked lawyer can take away their freedom or life with impunity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464357) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:21 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den When I was in the NYPD, those type of characters were pervasive. even more alarming was the acceptance that they had among everyone else, even those who were good guys. obviously i didn't stand for what my partner did, and i'm not going to say how i handled it so i don't completely out myself. but what kind of an organization is it when all day every day you're forced to choose between doing the right thing and losing the "respect" of your outrageous co-workers, or letting stuff slide knowing you failed as a public servant?
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:56 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Personal Integrity Comes Before Respect If what you say is true, you will see the majority of these people lead away in handcuffs or dead. Mark my words. If you can't mention the precinct, which might be understandable, can you mention the area ie Manhattan North, Brooklyn South, South Bronx? I'm just curious as to the pervasive comment. There is a reason I would never work in certain details under any circumstance. Not that there aren't honest guys there, just that one or two perps on the team are a safety hazard to your life, never mind integrity. What time frame 2000's? 1990s? There have always been people in the NYPD people know not to play games around. There was one sergeant on late tours in the 30, during the Dirty 30 scandal, that the criminals knew not to pull any shit around. He was a tough crazy guy that took his vacations in Washington Heights and smoked cigars. I won't give specifics but I almost got in a fistfight with someone over an arrest they made when I was working with them. I didn't tell the sergeant exactly why I didn't want to work with the guy, it wasn't even necessary. I just said we have different styles of policing and I'll take a footpost in the dead of winter before working with him again. You aren't on the job and this isn't an NYPD or police site. Instead of fucking with people on NYPD Rant why don't you bring up legitimate issues, such as you allude to? Only a hundred or so people post there, many being trolls, but many people, perhaps thousands, lurk and read the Rant. If you had been a rookie posting there I would have told you several things to do, before quitting. There is a rookie or potential cop reading the Rant at this very moment. I understand this is the past for you, but it is the present for someone else. I still believe what was said in the Academy about the 90% average people that can be persuaded to go either way, 5%uncorruptable 5% without any moral compass. It is very frustrating that these 5% are not immediately dealt with. You alluded to IA, actually IAB, being on someone about a "summons war". If IAB (and recruitment and retention)were any fucking good as investigators there would rarely be a scandal. The same people reoffend until it blows up in the NYPD's face. Everybody knows about an investigation two years before an arrest is made. The pervasive problem resides in One Police Plaza and IAB, not at a precinct level. This is why I don't understand people on this thread berating the NYPD Rant Moderator without any knowledge of his situation, when he took a stand and got fired in the process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4465095) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:58 AM Author: big dysfunction crackhouse what happened to the NYPD Rant moderator? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4465108) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:58 AM Author: aqua school cafeteria international law enforcement agency Wow. Action just pwn3d us hardcore. The oft attempted but rarely successful UB3R pwngraph. So long it preempts any from reading it, thereby decimating any chance of a decent response.
I am humbled by your brilliant execution. |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:03 AM Author: ivory floppy mexican Your partner should have read Terry v Ohio and Florida v J.L. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464535) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:22 AM Author: Spectacular crimson ladyboy den yeah, that partner didn't reall "read" anything. that was kind of the problem. but you'll be glad to know that he's still working, serving and protecting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464756) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:11 AM Author: blue swashbuckling crotch candlestick maker Holy shit... the rare valid point. Thank you for summarizing the argument I so ineloquently expressed via tubgirl and lemonparty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4463945) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:47 AM Author: Domesticated associate mad-dog skullcap I really like actiontrooper.
He is clearly the cream of the NYPD RANT crop. Much better than the orig FVCK YOU PAY ME guy (not Jay).
Please stay and post here more often.
Are you interested in attending law school in the future? If so, we can help with admissions chances and LSAT prep advice.
I like Dogbert too.
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:53 AM Author: comical reading party seconded; actiontrooper sounds like a good guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464411) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 1:09 AM Author: ruby charismatic alpha water buffalo Subject: Law School Thanks for the offer, but the only work I do is voluntary, without pay, for disadvantaged clients. I am financially secure, and do not need to work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464600) |
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Date: December 5th, 2005 12:56 AM Author: Talking Library Old Irish Cottage could someone link to the interview? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=309787&forum_id=2#4464442) |
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