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Libs, still think the cop wasn't justified because Castile calmly stated
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:09 PM Author: big trump supporter senate he had a gun? This is one argument I truly cannot wrap my head around. Hoping one of you bros can explain it to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33619901) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 2:58 PM Author: Excitant School Cafeteria I think the idea is that a dude who says "Sir, I have to let you know I have a firearm" is not likely to shoot the cop, so the officer's fear was not reasonable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626152) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:01 PM Author: big trump supporter senate Not in all states. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626185) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:02 PM Author: Excitant School Cafeteria wut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626194) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:24 PM Author: big trump supporter senate Meant to reply to the below post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626351) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:00 PM Author: Transparent really tough guy church CPL holders are required by law to let an officer know they have a firearm on them during a traffic stop. he was complying with the law, not violating it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626173) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:02 PM Author: appetizing painfully honest associate pisswyrm That varies state to state. There is no such statute in Minnesota. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626196) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:48 PM Author: swashbuckling base cumskin but given the prevalence of such statutes, it's reasonable that the dude would think to do that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626525) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:03 PM Author: Exhilarant canary blood rage center Not in all states cuck. In my state you only have to answer if asked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626200) |
Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:15 PM Author: big trump supporter senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33619962) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:15 PM Author: multi-colored depressive ratface libs are shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33619966) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:17 PM Author: big trump supporter senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33619978) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:31 PM Author: big trump supporter senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33620073) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:33 PM Author: big trump supporter senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33620097) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:36 PM Author: razzmatazz lodge calm people can't kill. pulse rate empirically and inherently must exceed 100 bpm as a biological imperative of killing another. because castille's pulse was lower, per his fitbit, he could not have killed the cop. ergo, guilty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33620109) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Saffron abode No I think it wasn't justified because nearly every adult in America has a constitutional right to be armed so it's unreasonable to react that way just because someone is armed. If they were in England or France or someplace where there is no second amendment and no right to bear arms then reasonable fear might be different. But I don't expect that to change the equation for people like you who have a pavlovian reaction to lick jackboots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33620154) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:42 PM Author: Exhilarant canary blood rage center So he was shot ONLY because he was armed? LJL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33620166) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:50 PM Author: big trump supporter senate Listen fuckhead, I have stated several times in numerous threads that I question whether the officer was justified, but the tone of Castile's voice has absolutely nothing to do with my analysis. Yet, many of the board libs appear to be hanging their hat on this one fact. I am dumbfounded by this and am hoping that someone who holds this opinion can explain their reasoning.
"unreasonable to react that way just because someone is armed."
What shooting are you talking about? The officer seemed pretty damn calm at first when Castile mentioned he had a gun. It was only after further action on Castile's part did the officer lose his cool. This is irrefutable. As such, why do you keep spouting the "just because he was armed" bullshit? |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 1:33 PM Author: provocative step-uncle's house mfcr
i'm aryan as fuark and next time i get pulled over and i can't get my license and registration out in time, i'm probably just going to ask the cop to cuff me while he gets them out himself |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:01 PM Author: Exhilarant canary blood rage center TBF I've considered doing this if I get pulled over while packing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626180) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 2:58 PM Author: motley poppy hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626156) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 2:59 PM Author: Excitant School Cafeteria "just because someone is armed"
You're really committed to this flame |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:20 PM Author: Lake elastic band location Cr. You have a fundamental right but can be killed by the government for exercising it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626328) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:58 PM Author: adventurous unhinged kitchen stock car "But I don't expect that to change the equation for people like you who have a pavlovian reaction to lick jackboots " (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626597) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 6:14 PM Author: tantric halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33627679) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 6:53 PM Author: galvanic chocolate nibblets psychic It's important that the gun was registered b/c registered guns do not fire when aimed at law enforcement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33620262) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2017 8:49 PM Author: big trump supporter senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33621001) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 1:03 PM Author: multi-colored depressive ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33625232) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 1:06 PM Author: Thirsty nowag No shitlib here but cops get paid decent money for a dangerous job. However, it does not seem that a ton of cops are dying in the line of duty. So why are they all so jittery and shooting people at the drop of a hat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33625250) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:02 PM Author: Exhilarant canary blood rage center What percentage of interactions with police end up with a dead civilian? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626191) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:03 PM Author: Aqua rough-skinned crackhouse It's less dangerous than construction work, logging, fishing, manufacturing, trucking and a bunch of other blue-collar professions. But of course they have the right to blow someone away because they got the queesies.
http://time.com/4326676/dangerous-jobs-america/ |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:18 PM Author: Exhilarant canary blood rage center What percentage of interactions with police result in a dead civilian? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626303) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 1:43 PM Author: Aggressive twisted pit The cops did a terrible job handling the situation. They should've given him a clear instruction to keep his hands up, asked where the gun was and then retrieved the gun. The law should have penalties (far short of criminal penalties for manslaughter) for police conduct that is incompetent and results in a death. Something more than civil liability that directly affects the officers responsible e.g. they lose their gun and can't perform work requiring a gun for a relatively long period of time and are unable as a matter of law of progressing beyond a certain level in the department. Also they should get their pension docked to help pay civil damages. You need to have the cops themselves scared of this because of personal penalties. I always laugh at how this bort full of reptiles that will rail about public scetor unions turns around and parrots whatever the police union says about these shootings. Cops should have bad things happen to them in their jobs when they fuck up badly, just like everyone else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33625513) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 2:53 PM Author: big trump supporter senate I agree with almost everything you say. In other posts, I have said I think the cop fucked up by not sufficiently focusing on the gun issue once Castile raised it. The second Castile said he had a gun, and in light of the cop identified him as matching the description of an armed robbery suspect, the cop should have hyper-focused on the gun. I'm generally not a fan of criminal liability premised in negligence, but I would be open to considering it the context of a cop using lethal force.
This thread, however, is to address the laughable notion that because Castile's voice was calm when he told the cop he had a gun, the cop wasn't justified in using lethal force. |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 2:56 PM Author: cerebral plaza who gives a fuck about his tone of voice? The point is what the fuck kind of cop killer (who knows there are two cops there) announces that he has a gun before he starts killing cops? That's ril retarded, sir. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626137) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 2:59 PM Author: big trump supporter senate So you think if someone calmly announces that they have a gun, a cop should assume that person doesn't intend to use it if, immediately after his calm announcement that he possess a gun, he pulls it out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626162) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:02 PM Author: Excitant School Cafeteria I think it's a factor that can contribute to whether perception of harm is reasonable, but I don't think it's dispositive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626192) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 6:06 PM Author: Supple disgusting institution it depends on the race of the declarant. :/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33627647) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:12 PM Author: cerebral plaza I think declaring the presence of a firearm when it is not otherwise visible, is pretty clearly only done by someone who intends no harm. If they intended harm, they would just shoot the cop. The cop did not have the temperament to be a cop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626274) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:14 PM Author: motley poppy hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626282) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:21 PM Author: big trump supporter senate If you think cops should have this belief, wouldn't it be a damn effective strategy for someone who intends to use lethal force to evade capture to calmly tell the cop he has a gun, pull it out, and then shoot the cop, whose gun would be holstered because he relied on the person's calm voice to assume he didn't pose a danger? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626331) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:26 PM Author: cerebral plaza What would the advantages be of doing that as opposed to just shooting the cop? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626368) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:28 PM Author: big trump supporter senate Are you asking what the advantage is of drawing a gun before the person you intend to shoot draws his gun? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626382) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:30 PM Author: cerebral plaza Look, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt here but that's just plain retarded.
The guy is in his car. He has his gun. The cops walk up on him. If he wanted to blast the cop, he waits until the cop walks up to the window and then blasts him. |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:38 PM Author: big trump supporter senate In my experience, it usually takes some time for someone to make a significant decision under stress, and before the decision is made, if it is ever made, the person is more or less paralyzed by fear/stress. The countless videos of people waiting to shoot at cops until after initial cintact is made appear to support this understanding of the dynamic between cops and individuals willing to use lethal force to evade capture.
Said another way, your belief that cops shouldn't have any fear of harm after their first five or ten seconds of interacting with a suspect is ridiculous. |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:40 PM Author: cerebral plaza Thought about that in the context of the Congressional baseball practice shooter. That can be, but it still makes no sense that he declares the gun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626461) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:47 PM Author: big trump supporter senate It's my humble opinion that assuming people in Castile's position have calmly formed a planned course of action is misguided. Most people who are facing immediate dire consequences due to a situation that was sprung upon them are reacting moment to moment, and I include myself and most posters in this characterization. As such, pointing to the apparent consistencies or inconsistencies of Castile's behavior is pointless because he was likely reacting moment to moment.
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:58 PM Author: cerebral plaza yeah or the cop was a shitty cop and just went BNBG and panicked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626591) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:59 PM Author: big trump supporter senate This is something we agree upon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626600) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 4:15 PM Author: cerebral plaza fair enough, you made some good points. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626727) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 5:44 PM Author: big trump supporter senate Good exchange, brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33627492) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:31 PM Author: amethyst boistinker *MFP pumping furiously at Jocko Willink's prolapsed anus*
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:32 PM Author: cerebral plaza lol wut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626410) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:51 PM Author: swashbuckling base cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626555) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:53 PM Author: Lake elastic band location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626567) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:03 PM Author: submissive dilemma indirect expression I usually side with the police but this one was pretty bad.
Still, there was a trial and he was acquitted and libs need to get over it. We have jury trials in this country, not trials by liberal outrage. |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:05 PM Author: big trump supporter senate That's precisely my position. Based upon the reported facts, it's a close a close enough call that I am not going to second guess the jury. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626223) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:18 PM Author: cerebral plaza It was not a close call at all, but we live in a society of laws, so if a jury wants to acquit a shitty cop who killed a poor guy in the wrong place at the wrong time, its the price we pay for a free society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626315) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:20 PM Author: Excitant School Cafeteria I think it's a close call. Everything about the situation seems to suggest there was not an actual threat, but I can't say that a dude reaching when he says he's got a gun wouldn't present a reasonable fear of harm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626326) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:29 PM Author: cerebral plaza Seems absurd to me, dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626391) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:43 PM Author: motley poppy hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626485) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:52 PM Author: swashbuckling base cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626564) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 4:02 PM Author: electric laser beams clown even the "reasonable doubt" standard?
You didn't hear all of the evidence presented to the jury, I'm guessing, and are basing this off of the videos you watched (which are upsetting, no doubt). Cop's testimony would have been key here too. |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 4:22 PM Author: Violent nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626780) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 6:16 PM Author: Exhilarant canary blood rage center It seems absurd to you that a stoned young black male, a demographic that commits a wildly disproportionate amount of violent crime, reaching for something near where he has his firearm, even if not the firearm itself, who is too stoned to obey commands to stop, is an immediate threat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33627692) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2017 3:31 PM Author: big trump supporter senate Someone who continues to reach while a cop is screaming at him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3655330&forum_id=2#33626407) |