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boyish maize alpha
  05/25/18
you see it on campuses now. the africans are outpacing the ...
Concupiscible big-titted kitty brethren
  05/25/18
maybe, maybe not aren't the African students being select...
bonkers hairless goal in life station
  05/25/18
the african students normally have already immigrated and th...
Concupiscible big-titted kitty brethren
  05/25/18
Also most are Igbo or Yoruba Nigerians, both high-IQ groups....
passionate roommate
  05/25/18
XO conflicted: black people losing, but so does race realism
Saffron party of the first part
  05/25/18
Dont think anyone disagrees that culture plays a role and af...
Supple Lilac Meetinghouse
  05/25/18
Your race realism understanding is poor. Current African imm...
Ocher Mad-dog Skullcap Voyeur
  05/25/18
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passionate roommate
  05/25/18
African immigrants are top quality --why do you think Africa...
Erotic Pale Roast Beef
  05/25/18
Is this a BBE (blank-bump equivalent)? I can't tell if you i...
Ocher Mad-dog Skullcap Voyeur
  05/25/18
You're an idiot lmao
stubborn stead dingle berry
  05/25/18
been going on for a while, but it's hard to find much news a...
Splenetic hell
  05/25/18
"been going on for a while, but it's hard to find much ...
insane smoky parlor
  05/25/18
'You've got to say that the long-term blacks were either dea...
marvelous violent legend space
  05/25/18
Epigenetics frees you from this dichotomy https://healthn...
Saffron party of the first part
  05/25/18
Shocking that the smarter, more capable blacks were not sold...
yellow mood
  05/25/18
i would be very cautious about treading this line of argumen...
Concupiscible big-titted kitty brethren
  05/25/18
until cash came into play. then all bets were off.
Erotic Pale Roast Beef
  05/25/18
(Descends from slaves)
yellow mood
  05/25/18
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heady bistre preventive strike
  05/25/18
http://pages.suddenlink.net/phelpsdna/Southern_Phelps_Resear...
Saffron party of the first part
  05/25/18
the african immigrants are the descendants of the africans w...
racy twinkling uncleanness office
  05/25/18
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passionate roommate
  05/25/18
not the Ethiopians, surely
Saffron party of the first part
  05/25/18
Ethiopians have middle eastern/semeitic admixture and are a ...
racy twinkling uncleanness office
  05/25/18
ethiopians and somalis do look kinda arab, and less like lit...
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Race realists: shouldnt American blacks be much smarter than...
bateful ebony pisswyrm
  05/25/18
On average (over all of Africa) they probably are. But ...
passionate roommate
  05/25/18
Link to these "high IQ subgroups."
bateful ebony pisswyrm
  05/25/18
http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-jews-of-west-afr...
passionate roommate
  05/25/18
Do you have anything with like actual IQ stats?
bateful ebony pisswyrm
  05/25/18
I don't think there has been one done unfortunately.
passionate roommate
  05/25/18


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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:34 AM
Author: boyish maize alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125685)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:36 AM
Author: Concupiscible big-titted kitty brethren

you see it on campuses now. the africans are outpacing the african americans in nearly every way. it's culture. even at the college level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125697)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: bonkers hairless goal in life station

maybe, maybe not

aren't the African students being selected from a much larger group?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125770)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:44 AM
Author: Concupiscible big-titted kitty brethren

the african students normally have already immigrated and they come with the goal of going to school, being a doctor/lawyer, etc. so they are a much smaller and likely more motivated group.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125785)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: passionate roommate

Also most are Igbo or Yoruba Nigerians, both high-IQ groups. And they are the elites from within those groups, not just randoms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125847)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:39 AM
Author: Saffron party of the first part

XO conflicted: black people losing, but so does race realism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125742)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:41 AM
Author: Supple Lilac Meetinghouse

Dont think anyone disagrees that culture plays a role and african american culture was once better than it is now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125756)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: Ocher Mad-dog Skullcap Voyeur

Your race realism understanding is poor. Current African immigrants are overwhelmingly of above-average African stock. Slaves were the losers of Africa and subsequently selected and bred to be beasts of burden, with some white admixture partially making up for that. It is entirely expected that some blacks would be more capable than other blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125767)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:54 AM
Author: passionate roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125849)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:54 AM
Author: Erotic Pale Roast Beef

African immigrants are top quality --why do you think Africa complains of continent wide brain drain all the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125853)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:02 PM
Author: Ocher Mad-dog Skullcap Voyeur

Is this a BBE (blank-bump equivalent)? I can't tell if you intended this to be a disagreement with something I wrote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126309)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:26 PM
Author: stubborn stead dingle berry

You're an idiot lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126937)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:43 AM
Author: Splenetic hell

been going on for a while, but it's hard to find much news about it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/24/us/top-colleges-take-more-blacks-but-which-ones.html

Top Colleges Take More Blacks, but Which Ones?

By SARA RIMER and KAREN W. ARENSONJUNE 24, 2004

At the most recent reunion of Harvard University's black alumni, there was lots of pleased talk about the increase in the number of black students at Harvard.

But the celebratory mood was broken in one forum, when some speakers brought up the thorny issue of exactly who those black students were.

While about 8 percent, or about 530, of Harvard's undergraduates were black, Lani Guinier, a Harvard law professor, and Henry Louis Gates Jr., the chairman of Harvard's African and African-American studies department, pointed out that the majority of them -- perhaps as many as two-thirds -- were West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples.

They said that only about a third of the students were from families in which all four grandparents were born in this country, descendants of slaves. Many argue that it was students like these, disadvantaged by the legacy of Jim Crow laws, segregation and decades of racism, poverty and inferior schools, who were intended as principal beneficiaries of affirmative action in university admissions.

What concerned the two professors, they said, was that in the high-stakes world of admissions to the most selective colleges -- and with it, entry into the country's inner circles of power, wealth and influence -- African-American students whose families have been in America for generations were being left behind.

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''I just want people to be honest enough to talk about it,'' Professor Gates, the Yale-educated son of a West Virginia paper-mill worker, said recently, reiterating the questions he has been raising since the black alumni weekend last fall. ''What are the implications of this?''

Both Professor Gates and Professor Guinier emphasize that this is not about excluding immigrants, whom sociologists describe as a highly motivated, self-selected group. Blacks, who make up 13 percent of the United States population, are still underrepresented at Harvard and other selective colleges, they said.

The conversation that bubbled up that weekend has continued across campus here and beyond as these professors and others publicly raise painful and complicated questions about race and class and how they play out in elite university admissions, issues that some educators and black admissions officers have privately talked about for some time.

There is no consensus on the answers, and since most institutions say they do not look into the origins of their black students, the absence of hard data makes the discussion even more difficult.

Some educators, including the president of Harvard, Lawrence H. Summers, declined to comment on the issue; others are divided.

The president of Amherst College, Anthony W. Marx, says that colleges should care about the ethnicity of black students because in overlooking those with predominantly American roots, colleges are missing an ''opportunity to correct a past injustice'' and depriving their campuses ''of voices that are particular to being African-American, with all the historical disadvantages that that entails.''

But others say there is no reason to take the ancestry of black students into account.

''I don't think it should matter for purposes of admissions in higher education,'' said Lee C. Bollinger, the president of Columbia University, who as president of the University of Michigan fiercely defended its use of affirmative action. ''The issue is not origin, but social practices. It matters in American society whether you grow up black or white. It's that differential effect that really is the basis for affirmative action.''

Professors Gates and Guinier cite various sources for their figures about Harvard's black students, including conversations with administrators and students, a recent Harvard undergraduate honors thesis based on extensive student interviews, and the ''Black Guide to Life at Harvard,'' which surveyed 70 percent of the black undergraduates and was published last year by the Harvard Black Students Association.

Researchers at Princeton University and the University of Pennsylvania who have been studying the achievement of minority students at 28 selective colleges and universities (including theirs, as well as Yale, Columbia, Duke and the University of California at Berkeley), found that 41 percent of the black students identified themselves as immigrants, as children of immigrants or as mixed race.

Douglas S. Massey, a Princeton sociology professor who was one of the researchers, said the black students from immigrant families and the mixed-race students represented a larger proportion of the black students than that in the black population in the United States generally. Andrew A. Beveridge, a sociologist at Queens College, says that among 18- to 25-year-old blacks nationwide, about 9 percent describe themselves as of African or West Indian ancestry. Like the Gates and Guinier numbers, these tallies do not include foreign students.

In the 40 or so years since affirmative action began in higher education, the focus has been on increasing the numbers of black students at selective colleges, not on their family background. Professor Massey said that the admissions officials he talked to at these colleges seemed surprised by the findings about the black students. ''They really didn't have a good idea of what they're getting,'' he said.

But few black students are surprised. Sheila Adams, a Harvard senior, was born in the South Bronx to a school security officer and a subway token seller, and her family has been in this country for generations. Ms. Adams said there were so few black students like her at Harvard that they had taken to referring to themselves as ''the descendants.''

The subject, however, remains taboo among some college administrators. Anthony Carnevale, a former vice president at the Educational Testing Service, which develops SAT tests, said colleges were happy to the take high-performing black students from immigrant families.

''They've found an easy way out,'' Mr. Carnevale said. ''The truth is, the higher-education community is no longer connected to the civil rights movement. These immigrants represent Horatio Alger, not Brown v. Board of Education and America's race history.''

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Almost from its inception, following the civil rights struggles of the 1960's, affirmative action has been attacked and redefined. In its 1978 Bakke decision, the Supreme Court shifted the rationale away from issues of social justice to the educational value of diversity.

One black admissions official at a highly selective college said the reluctance of college officials to discuss these issues has helped obscure the scarcity of black students whose families have been in this country for generations.

''If somebody does not start paying attention to those who are not able to make it in, they're going to start drifting farther and farther behind,'' said the official, who declined to be identified because the subject is so charged. ''You've got to say that the long-term blacks were either dealt a crooked hand, or something is innately wrong with them. And I simply won't accept that there is something wrong with them.''

Mary C. Waters, the chairman of the sociology department at Harvard, who has studied West Indian immigrants, says they are initially more successful than many African-Americans for a number of reasons. Since they come from majority-black countries, they are less psychologically handicapped by the stigma of race. In addition, many arrive with higher levels of education and professional experience. And at first, they encounter less discrimination.

''You need a philosophical discussion about what are the aims of affirmative action,'' Professor Waters said. ''If it's about getting black faces at Harvard, then you're doing fine. If it's about making up for 200 to 500 years of slavery in this country and its aftermath, then you're not doing well. And if it's about having diversity that includes African-Americans from the South or from inner-city high schools, then you're not doing well, either.''

Even among black scholars there is disagreement on whether a discussion about the origins of black students is helpful. Orlando Patterson, a Harvard sociologist and West Indian native, said he wished others would ''let sleeping dogs lie.''

''The doors are wide open -- as wide open as they ever will be -- for native-born black middle-class kids to enter elite colleges,'' he wrote in an e-mail message.

There is also wide disagreement about what, if anything, should be done about the underrepresentation of African-American students whose families have been here for generations. Even Professor Gates, who can trace his ancestry back to slaves, and Professor Guinier, whose mother is white and whose father immigrated from Jamaica, emphasize different ideas.

''This is about the kids of recent arrivals beating out the black indigenous middle-class kids,'' said Professor Gates, who plans to assemble a study group on the subject. ''We need to learn what the immigrants' kids have so we can bottle it and sell it, because many members of the African-American community, particularly among the chronically poor, have lost that sense of purpose and values which produced our generation.''

In Professor Guinier's view, there are plenty of other blacks who could also succeed at elite colleges, but the institutions are not doing enough to find them. She said they were overly reliant on measures like SAT scores, which correlate strongly with family wealth and parental education.

''Colleges and universities are defaulting on their obligation to train and educate a representative group of future leaders,'' said Professor Guinier, a Harvard graduate herself who has been studying college admissions practices for more than a decade. ''And they are excluding poor and working-class whites, not just descendants of slaves.''

Harvard admissions officials say that they, too, are concerned about attracting more lower-income students of all races. They plan to spend an additional $300,000 to $375,000 a year to recruit more low-income students and provide more financial aid to these students.

''This increases the chances that we will be able to reach into the communities that have not been reached,'' said William R. Fitzsimmons, dean of admissions and financial aid.

While Harvard officials ignore the ethnic distinctions among their black students, Harvard's black undergraduates are developing a body of literature in the form of student research papers.

Aisha Haynie, the undergraduate whose senior thesis Professor Guinier cited, said her research was prompted by the reaction from her black classmates when she told them that she was not from the West Indies or Africa, but from the Carolinas. ''They would say, 'No, where are you really from?''' said Ms. Haynie, 26, who earned a master's degree in public policy at Princeton and is now in medical school.

Marques J. Redd, a 20-year-old from Macon, Ga., who graduated in June and was one of the editors of Harvard's black student guide, said that Harvard officials had discouraged them from collecting the data on who the black students were.

''But we thought it was one aspect of the black experience at Harvard that should be documented,'' he said. ''The knowledge had power. It was something that needed to be out in the open instead of something that people whispered about.''

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125772)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: insane smoky parlor

"been going on for a while, but it's hard to find much news about it."

It was actually a big sore point for blm/sjw activists at cornell protests a few months ago. There was definitely an article posted about it on here. They wanted AA to be softened or taken away for "African" blacks so that it could be focused on African Americans who are descendants of slavery.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126222)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:00 PM
Author: marvelous violent legend space

'You've got to say that the long-term blacks were either dealt a crooked hand, or something is innately wrong with them. And I simply won't accept that there is something wrong with them.''

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126759)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:14 PM
Author: Saffron party of the first part

Epigenetics frees you from this dichotomy

https://healthnoir.wordpress.com/2016/05/02/pass-the-pain-epigenetics-of-black-health/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126840)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:45 AM
Author: yellow mood

Shocking that the smarter, more capable blacks were not sold into slavery by their peers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125790)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: Concupiscible big-titted kitty brethren

i would be very cautious about treading this line of argumentation because it gets the african dynamics of tribal warfare prior and during the slave trade EXACTLY wrong. the africans who lost in tribal wars and were taken into slavery normally were the best and brightest of the tribe. it was the dregs that were left in the villages. further, the captured leaders were normally taken into service at "the royal court" level in most cases.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125808)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:55 AM
Author: Erotic Pale Roast Beef

until cash came into play. then all bets were off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125866)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: yellow mood

(Descends from slaves)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126689)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:22 PM
Author: heady bistre preventive strike



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:50 AM
Author: Saffron party of the first part

http://pages.suddenlink.net/phelpsdna/Southern_Phelps_Research/Non-state/Was%20Your%20Ancestor%20an%20Indentured%20Servant.htm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125823)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:55 AM
Author: racy twinkling uncleanness office

the african immigrants are the descendants of the africans who sold the ancestors of african americans into slavery



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125863)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:57 AM
Author: passionate roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125875)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: Saffron party of the first part

not the Ethiopians, surely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36125884)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: racy twinkling uncleanness office

Ethiopians have middle eastern/semeitic admixture and are a different breed from the bantu speaking nigs that dominate most of subsaharan africa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126183)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:05 PM
Author: marvelous violent legend space

ethiopians and somalis do look kinda arab, and less like literal apes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126782)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:59 AM
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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:01 PM
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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:01 PM
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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:51 PM
Author: stirring umber shrine



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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:30 PM
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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:10 PM
Author: bateful ebony pisswyrm

Race realists: shouldnt American blacks be much smarter than African blacks considering American blacks have on average about 25% European blood?

Hmm...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126824)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:12 PM
Author: passionate roommate

On average (over all of Africa) they probably are.

But there are a few high-IQ subgroups in Africa and the elites of those subgroups are the ones now immigrating to America. These people as a group are smarter than American blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126833)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:14 PM
Author: bateful ebony pisswyrm

Link to these "high IQ subgroups."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126838)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:15 PM
Author: passionate roommate

http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-jews-of-west-africa.html

https://www.africanevents.com/the-most-brilliant-black-african-race-facts-and-figures-from-the-us-academic-report/

http://www.nairaland.com/3730020/why-white-missionaries-described-igbos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126846)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: bateful ebony pisswyrm

Do you have anything with like actual IQ stats?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126915)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: passionate roommate

I don't think there has been one done unfortunately.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986307&forum_id=2#36126958)