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Anyone watch the FRONTLINE doc on Dayton, Ohio? Pretty sad future, bros
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Date: September 16th, 2018 12:13 AM Author: at-the-ready demanding double fault bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36817200) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 12:16 AM Author: ungodly know-it-all university telephone DESCRIBE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36817213) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 12:19 AM Author: bespoke dashing senate rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36817225) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 12:26 AM Author: at-the-ready demanding double fault bbw how common is it for poor towns to have these black couples with 6 kids? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36817281) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: bespoke dashing senate rigor More common than single 40 year old white shrews with no kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36818452) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: at-the-ready demanding double fault bbw :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819248) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 1:21 AM Author: Bateful well-lubricated shrine goyim Jesus fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823410) |
Date: September 16th, 2018 12:23 AM Author: ungodly know-it-all university telephone damn that birthmark (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36817251) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: Razzmatazz pearly persian downtown Dayton is the saddest and most depressing place I have ever been to in America, outside of an Indian res (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819258) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: at-the-ready demanding double fault bbw when last were you there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819266) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: Razzmatazz pearly persian 2016, doobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819932) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Kink-friendly parlour mexican Pine Club is pretty dope (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819388) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: glassy lascivious hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819564) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 1:43 AM Author: Tan ratface chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36830784) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: hairless trailer park stain a reflection of are souls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819527) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: internet-worthy famous landscape painting step-uncle's house cr it's pretty bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819556) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:11 AM Author: Ivory Athletic Conference Kitty Cat (guy who hasn't been to downtown Toledo} (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823169) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 7:32 AM Author: Razzmatazz pearly persian I haven't but they at least get a lake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823961) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:03 AM Author: Contagious sick feces Downtown Dayton has actually revitalized considerably around the Oregon district, arcade and waterfront. There are many, many shittier towns of that size. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824145) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Kink-friendly parlour mexican If the AFB ever closes that town might as well just get swallowed up by a massive sinkhole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819395) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: glassy lascivious hominid So get swallowed by cincinnati? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819567) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: at-the-ready demanding double fault bbw must be a lot of sad towns like this in the rust belt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36819763) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 5:41 PM Author: insecure effete sex offender i clerked around the time that GM plant the documentary focused on closed for a judge in either N.D. Ohio or S.D. Ohio. a lot of the points they were making and the visuals they used really hit home for me/brought back memories from my clerkship. my chambers were great but the whole SE Ohio area is very sad.
on the plus side, though, you feel like you're livin dat baller lifestyle making $60,000 after having done law school in Boston/NYC/Palo Alto etc. |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 5:46 PM Author: Electric Buck-toothed Home Therapy $60K in southern ohio outside of cincy is a lot of money. making $60K in chillicothe or something means you're legitimately "doin' good." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36820519) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: insecure effete sex offender even in cities like cincinnati and columbus you can easily cop fairly nice apartments of all kinds for $1,000 or less and a really nice "city" place--doorman, highrise building (relatively speaking), on site laundry/dry cleaning service etc-- for less than $1,500. both easily affordable on a law clerk salary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36820639) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:08 AM Author: at-the-ready demanding double fault bbw how safe though? what about decent public schools for kids? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823148) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:58 AM Author: Pontificating hall not in city proper. Suburban publics can be very good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823369) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 5:34 PM Author: alcoholic theatre knife This shit is sad. But solving it is so much more complicated than make unions strong or republicans are bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36820419) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 5:43 PM Author: Charismatic Orange Jewess lol at democrats ever solving anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36820496) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: glassy lascivious hominid There is no solving it anymore. Forcible relocate people into regional super cities and break down whats left for scrap metal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823396) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 1:20 AM Author: crystalline national security agency piazza Regional super cities with jew landlords and property developers?
Nah. How about we leverage tech to allow people to live in these places on 3/4ths of what they would be paid in NYC or SF? |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 8:31 AM Author: very tactful casino whole point of the doc was to show how multifaceted dayton's rise - and now decline - was (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824065) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 5:40 PM Author: insecure effete sex offender here's a link for the doc: https://www.pbs.org/video/left-behind-america-tkmile/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36820479) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 5:43 PM Author: white gunner legal warrant Libs only portray these places in a sad light as if it’s some evidence that an infusion of Muslims will somehow help the situation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36820501) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:09 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Chest-beating Gas Station Juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823160) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 8:58 AM Author: Marvelous hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824128) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 1:31 AM Author: Onyx box office death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36830740) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 10:58 PM Author: bespoke dashing senate rigor Also worth nothing Dayton is like 20 miles from Middletown where Hillbilly Elegy is set. Funny because just hearing snippets about it from JD Fraud Vance junkies on npr and shit, you'd think it was in appalachia, but really it's just some shit town on the interstate between cincinnati and dayton.
Dayton is a shithole. I am surprised there are 4-5 daytonposters on xo for how small and worthless a place it is. |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:06 PM Author: glassy lascivious hominid Middletown is a decent suburb and that guy is a fraud. Lol at how shitty Ohio and Cincy are that one cares to check or question this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36822803) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:06 PM Author: bespoke dashing senate rigor Cr that is why his name is JD Fraud Vance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36822810) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:02 AM Author: Contagious sick feces Middletown has not been a decent town for 50 years. For most of that time it's been poor rust belt trash - the most rust belt town in the Dayton area along with Moraine - and for the last 5 years it's been the opiate and overdose capital of Montgomery county, which has the most overdoses and overdose deaths per capita of any county in America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824142) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: glassy lascivious hominid dude its a suburb of cincy.
this is what it looks like
Just random google maps drops. that guy is fraud. |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 7:34 AM Author: Razzmatazz pearly persian what makes Dayton truly, perhaps uniquely depressing, is how clear it is that it wasn't always like this. the bare form of a successful town still exists (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823964) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 7:36 AM Author: chartreuse tripping tank I remember it being a nice town when I was a kid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823969) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:05 AM Author: Contagious sick feces It has a few suburbs that compete with most of the rest of the country, 1 of them, oakwood, filled with legitimately beautiful pre-war mansions. Others are Centerville Bellbrook Beavercreek |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:15 AM Author: Razzmatazz pearly persian Are these the areas on the south side of the river? there are some very nice homes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824179) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:16 AM Author: Contagious sick feces Oakwood is south of downtown, the rest are east and southeast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824182) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Dark garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36826214) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:07 PM Author: zombie-like location sound barrier I have respect for Dayton because it's the smallest city with its own distinctive style of pizza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36822822) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:13 AM Author: Ivory Athletic Conference Kitty Cat Robert Pollard lives there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823189) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 7:34 AM Author: chartreuse tripping tank DESCRIBE the Dayton pizza style (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823962) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:06 AM Author: Contagious sick feces https://www.marionspiazza.com (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824154) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: jet-lagged 180 reading party really tough guy meh, New Haven is smaller than Dayton (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36826267) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 8:14 AM Author: Lime twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36831375) |
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Date: September 16th, 2018 11:08 PM Author: Trip affirmative action cumskin written, produced, and directed by shimon dotan! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36822837) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:10 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Chest-beating Gas Station Juggernaut always. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823162) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:10 AM Author: cordovan forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823166) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 1:21 AM Author: crystalline national security agency piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823411) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Marvelous hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824960) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:16 AM Author: Wonderful translucent corner haunted graveyard Sim glitch: the Bosnian War ended there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayton_Agreement |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:17 AM Author: glassy lascivious hominid This is not a sim glitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823213) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:30 AM Author: Wonderful translucent corner haunted graveyard Why not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823255) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 3:09 AM Author: Maniacal adventurous state regret They wanted the delegates from the hopeless, war-torn Balkans to feel at home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823604) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 7:49 AM Author: mustard titillating crackhouse mental disorder lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823989) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 7:54 AM Author: cyan slap-happy principal's office "shit if we keep bombing Sarajevo is going to look like this one day" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36823999) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 1:31 AM Author: Onyx box office death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36830743) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 7:54 AM Author: Ruby sticky field mood Haven't seen this documentary, but there are small cities like this across the USA. If you go downtown, you can see remnants of when they were proud places -- with nice architecture, old movie theaters, abandoned department stores and office buildings, etc. You can imagine the scene on a typical weekday during the 1920s when men in suits and hats bustled about. Women pushing their babies in carriages towards the drug store. |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 7:56 AM Author: mustard titillating crackhouse mental disorder Detroit is the peak example of this.
They've been clearing out blight, but you can still see blocks and blocks of beautiful victorian homes that were just torched and left to rot for decades. It's an absolute fucking disaster. |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 8:03 AM Author: chartreuse tripping tank “Once a beacon of manufacturing success, Dayton claimed more patents per capita than any other U.S. city in 1900.”
http://www.newgeography.com/content/00153-dayton-ohio-the-rise-fall-and-stagnation-a-former-industrial-juggernaut |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:07 AM Author: Contagious sick feces https://daytoninspires.com (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824161) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:15 AM Author: Dull Hateful Public Bath more jewish poverty porn
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:19 AM Author: Vibrant Dun Space Old Irish Cottage I've posted this before, but the most expensive home listed for sale in all of Dayton is only $700,000. There are actually three homes listed at $700k, so it's a three way tie for most expensive.
So for the price of a very modest 3 bedroom, 1800 square foot ranch house in Silicon Valley or a good NY suburb, you can buy this legitimate family estate in Dayton (sitting on three acres with two ponds), and also simultaneously be the guy with the nicest home in town:
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1231-Hook-Estate-Dr-Dayton-OH-45405/59981134_zpid/?fullpage=true |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 9:30 AM Author: Razzmatazz pearly persian upkeep must be a bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36824219) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: bespoke dashing senate rigor Yeah I think it has some tax abatement that new owner will not get and thus be flooded by taxes. And all those ancient pipes, roofing, etc. Would be a huge pain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36826029) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 2:00 AM Author: Tan ratface chad My house is basically the same as that one and the pipes are fine (brass) as is the roof (slate).
Utilities and taxes are a bitch though. |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: passionate hell LOL - what's your geographic definition of SV - because you're not fucking buying a 3Br / 1800sq ranch for $700k. Our 3Br/1400sq S.SanJose rental goes for $1mm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36826138) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: galvanic pink codepig sanctuary you know, this might sound insane, but I wonder if there would be a market for breaking down these homes and rebuilding them in high cost areas. or whether that would be feasible from a building standpoint.
the materials and craftsmanship alone are almost impossible to recreate today as costs are prohibitive. |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: passionate hell Construction costs aren't why homes in high COL are high. It's all in the land value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36826327) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: galvanic pink codepig sanctuary it's both. labor costs are really high in affluent areas
but you're missing my point. in affluent areas you can't build a new house like the one linked above because it would be so expensive to build given the materials and the labor that you'd take like a 35% hit the next day after the house was built.
one way to build an older style home like that might be to source the materials from a cheaper home located in the rust belt. |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: passionate hell Homes would fall apart when transported and/or reassembled; things are never as well put together when moved. Also, unlikely any of these old homes meet modern safety and health standards a place like CA imposes on new construction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36826402) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 2:03 AM Author: Tan ratface chad You would spend the cost of that house merely in labor laying bricks.
You can’t move mansonry houses. And the cost is all labor. And the bricks are basically worthless as they would have to be cleaned of mortar to be reused.
OTOH, there is a good market for interior trim and fixtures such as the wood paneling and fixtures such as lights and bathroom (those toilets would fetch $1000 each on eBay). |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 9:14 AM Author: galvanic pink codepig sanctuary yeah i meant the interior work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36831490) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: jet-lagged 180 reading party really tough guy lol "The list price and Zestimate for this home are very different, so we might be missing something."
Zestimate is even lower - $591k |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 1:35 AM Author: Onyx box office death wish That tv above the doorway is the weirdest shit ive ever seen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36830764) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: galvanic pink codepig sanctuary https://www.pbs.org/video/left-behind-america-tkmile/
Start at 8:00
eventually they get to the demographic changes and then white flight.
in 1960 Dayton had 262k residents. then blacks moved in during the great migration and by 1980 over a quarter of the population moved out, and that's probably understating the problem because you probably had even more whites moving out who were replaced by blacks who moved in.
demographics, baby.
does Germany, for example, have any towns like these that lost industry and became shitholes? or is this unique to America because those towns experienced significant demographic shifts? |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: very tactful casino telltale sign of being <95 IQ is watching this doc and thinking dayton's decline had only one factor to it. the whole point of the film was to show how many different factors went into dayton's success and how many of those factors came apart (retarded trade/economic policies, etc.) to contribute to its decline
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:57 PM Author: galvanic pink codepig sanctuary i didn't watch the whole thing i just randomly skipped through to a couple parts. i'm not saying it was any one factor.
but white flight and demographics overall is a big one. |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 2:59 PM Author: Maniacal adventurous state regret Something that is always left out of the white flight stories is the precise timing of blacks moving in, the rash of devastating racially motivated riots (especially Detroit), and white flight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36826370) |
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Date: September 18th, 2018 1:28 AM Author: at-the-ready demanding double fault bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4078429&forum_id=2#36830725) |